Whereas before, you had no full screen support in Snow Leopard. Just don't go fullscreen if you want to use the 2nd monitor, like you would've in Snow Leopard.
You lost nothing.
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Whereas before, you had no full screen support in Snow Leopard. Just don't go fullscreen if you want to use the 2nd monitor, like you would've in Snow Leopard.
You lost nothing.
Actually some apps did have fullscreen support in SL, so it really depends on if the app keeps legacy fullscreen support or not, in VLC in preferences you can switch to the old style at least and watch a movie in fullscreen while continuing to work on your other screen.
Frankly, I do not care about full-screen support for such apps as Mail, Safari, Messages and whathaveyou. So indeed, for these apps I've lost nothing. I haven't gained anything either, because I still don't use these apps in full-screen.
The difference is in applications where it is natural to use full-screen. The most prominent example being Quicktime Player X. In Snow Leopard, one could play a movie full-screen on any of one's monitors by moving the window to that monitor and entering full-screen. The other monitors would not change when one did this.
In Lion+, that behaviour is completely fucked. It's treating QTX as a productivity app, whereas it really is the exact opposite of that: entertainment. Potentially on the side.
It also fucks up professional settings btw, where a projectionist might want to display a movie on the secondary display (projector) while cueing up the next one up on the primary one, or some such similar situation.
Here, I've definitely lost something. If you can't see that, I don't know what else I can tell you.
Don't bother. People like him can't be reasoned with. Apple brainwashing at it's finest.
This is something most of these 10.7 weenies can't comprehend. They'll pop up and tell you you're wrong, you're not losing any functionality and that 10.7 is GOOD FOR YOU. Then you ask them about Mission Control and the answer is "It's better then Spaces and Expose!" with absolutely nothing to back that up. You ask about full-screening and multiple monitors, and the answer is "Well just don't use that!".
News flash, Apple published an API that is SUPPOSED to be used for full-screening on Lion. So developers are using that now and dropping their old 10.6 methods. This FORCES people to use Lion's full screen methods, and you have NO CHOICE. "You don't have to use it" my ass.
If you want to see how many people are complaining about this crap, just go look on the Parallels or VMWare forums. Both companies support full screening in Lion the Lion way, and it makes your multiple monitors useless if you want a VM full-screen on one monitor while you work on the other (something possible in 10.6). And in both cases, users are posting in troves to get the 10.6 behaviour back.
It still amazes me Apple is pushing this stuff when they themselves advertise chain-able Thunderbolt displays. You don't see any of their marketing material showing one monitor totally blanked out with the linen, do you?
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The old style was a hack really and as you've pointed out, is still available to developers. If developers are moving away from it, it's because they see the advantages of the new system over the old one.
Work while you watch a movie ? Listening to music, ok, watching a movie ? And work ? Can you even do that with any chance of success at either ?
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Hum, projectionists use Quicktime Player now ? It's a "pro" tool ? Projectionists can use whatever still works for their workflow. Someone pointed out earlier that VLC retains both modes of full screen. There is no limitation to Lion that prevents it.
You haven't lost anything, since again, developers are free or not to move to the new system. Provide feedback to the developer of your app, explaining calmly and professionally, using full sentences why you think they need to retain the old way of doing full screen on top of Lion's way.
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Why is it that I have to either be Apple brainwashed or a Apple hater ? I can't be both, yet you call me Apple brainwashed and everytime a story about trials or App store guidelines or heck, just bad changes in OS X/iOS come up, people label me a hater.
So which is it ? Am I a hater or a blind fanatic ? I'm really getting confused with you people...
Oh wait, it's because none of you guys can recognize good ol' fashion Critical Thinking and Objectivity.
I'm neither an Apple fanatic or a hater. I use their stuff, like some of it, don't like other parts. That's called a balanced outlook. Don't have to be 100% on either side, there are shades of grey to the world. Time some of you started to realise this instead of always pigeonholing people into your own mindsets.
A lot of people have done the strategy of buying a couple midsize monitors and putting them next to each other to make one big monitor. It seems as if Apple would rather you get one big monitor (27 inches) and just stick with that. For me, I think one monitor is a bit easier to manage, but other people seem to love their big battlestations with multiple monitors, heh.
The old style was a hack really and as you've pointed out, is still available to developers. If developers are moving away from it, it's because they see the advantages of the new system over the old one.
Work while you watch a movie ? Listening to music, ok, watching a movie ? And work ? Can you even do that with any chance of success at either ?
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Is that really hard to fathom? I can satisfyingly accomplish a variety of tasks while being sufficiently engaged in a video... You've never used your computer while watching TV? WTF is the difference?
Depending on the work and the movie, yes. Another option is iChatting while watching a movie.
It's a perfectly fine player, yes, and a default install of Mac OS X does not offer any other way of playing media.
Edit: I've just tried this in ML (my external display is not normally hooked up to my ML laptop) and it appears they've fixed one aspect of this problem. The animation is still buggy, but at least it sticks to the right display now so you can pick what screen to play on. Still blanks any other displays though.
Well, you're right in that app developers are free to decide to do some other method of full-screening. And luckily, most developers of third-party media players do. For instance, MPlayerX actually has two modes depending on if you have more than one screen or not: if not, it'll use Lion's full-screen or otherwise it'll use regular, useful fullscreen.
I have of course provided calm and professional feedback to Apple about why this is ridiculous. They have done nothing with it that I can see.
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That's where you're wrong. See page 1 of this thread. The other display is not "blanked", it's quite available to use for the Application. It's an exclusive Desktop for that Application. The application itself however can use the full real-estate, on all connected monitors if it wishes.
Again, talk to your developer about it.
And you pointed out yourself the alternatives, so I see we're making progress in you understanding there is no limitation in Lion for fullscreen. There's a new way of doing it for developers, it's completely optional. We've lost nothing. We've gained something that doesn't work how you expect it to on multiple monitors, it works how it works (exclusive desktop in Mission Control).
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Yes I have. Of course, I have no idea what was playing on it at the time since there's no way to concentrate on the TV while using the computer. You end either missing tidbits of the show and being constantly distracted in your work, or you end up concentrating too much on one or the other and either completely missing what was on TV or just not using the computer at all.
I have never successfully watched TV/video and worked on the computer at the same time. Your definition of success might be different from mine.
No, it is blanked. Yes, it is available to the application and guess what the application does with it? It blanks it. Apps that don't do anything with it have a linen background. Quicktime Player however explicitly blanks it, so it is black.
I never said there was a limitation in Lion itself. Just in some apps that use the functionality and offer no alternative, and that in QTX it should not have been done this way. Case in point: the third-party apps all do this differently. Apple should too.
We've gained something that doesn't work how you expect it to on multiple monitors, it works how it works (exclusive desktop in Mission Control).
At least I got you to admit it doesn't work as you'd expect
not sure what we're talking about at this point, but w/ vlc there are two settings... from preferences, in the interfacee tab uncheck use the native fullscreen mode on OS X Lion and in the Video tab uncheck Black screens in Fullscreen mode... save, quit vlc and relaunch...
I have the same question.
I don't really care about full screen app on big external displays, but still, Apple implementation is dumb.
Again, you're wrong. I wrote a quick demo app that has the linen background on monitor 2, and also shows a HUD window on monitor 2. The linen background is not a "blanked" monitor, it's a useable monitor by the app that has an exclusive lock on that particular desktop.
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At least I got you to admit it doesn't work as you'd expect
Don't put words into my mouth. I said it doesn't work as YOU, as in, CyBeRino, expects it to work.
It works how its made to work and how I, as in, KnightWRX, would expect such a virtual desktop implementation to work.
You didn't get me to "admit" anything, there was nothing to admit to begin with.
How are you still not getting this? I'm not saying anything that you should think is wrong.
Quicktime player explicitly blanks all secondary displays. If it didn't they would get a linen background. If it properly didn't use (Mountain) Lion's full-screen facilities, these displays wouldn't change. There is only one conclusion to be made here.