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Do you need to buy Panther?
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Re: Do you need to buy Panther?
Sadly, my crystal ball isn't working today...so we'll just have to wait an seeOriginally posted by maracz
When panther comes out...will you be able to download it or will you need to purchase it as if it were a whole new OS. Thanks for your help
Re: Re: Do you need to buy Panther?
It was a reasonable question. I just baught my first mac and I'm notsure if you need to buy OS updates. Did you need to buy Jaguar if you already had 10.1?
Originally posted by edesignuk
Sadly, my crystal ball isn't working today...so we'll just have to wait an see
It was a reasonable question. I just baught my first mac and I'm notsure if you need to buy OS updates. Did you need to buy Jaguar if you already had 10.1?
Re: Re: Re: Do you need to buy Panther?
Ok, that's more like it. In answer to your question then, I would *think* (although we have no idea really, hence my first response) that you will, you had to pay for the entire OS to go from 10.1 to 10.2
If Panther was available for download, I would not be surprised if the complete package was over 650MB, or was on two CDs. On my dial-up, this would take a minimum of one week to download.
As for burning a copy to a CD-R from an Apple Store, I doubt it. Apple needs the money right now.
Apple also needs to reduce the price of their operating system box. Many people were willing to pay the $129 for Jaguar ($199 for the five pack). Others resorted to pirating the operating system.
Apple may not be able to make a copy-proof version of their operating system, but decoy copies of Panther can be placed onto public P2P networks to reduce the success for piraters of the operating system.
As for pricing, the magic peak price right now is $99.99. And this is how much Panther should sell for.
Again, if Apple offered Panther for downloading a copy from an Apple Store either for free or for cheap, there are other things to consider:
A: Does it take two CDs?
B: If burning a copy of Panther is free, Apple would make minimal profit.
C: If burning a copy of Panther was cheap, Apple would make little profit.
Edit: Don't forget that .Mac has been instituted as something that is no longer free. If people do not buy .Mac, there is no profit and no harm done. If people do buy .Mac, Apple makes some percentage of $100 profit instead of $0 profit.
As for burning a copy to a CD-R from an Apple Store, I doubt it. Apple needs the money right now.
Apple also needs to reduce the price of their operating system box. Many people were willing to pay the $129 for Jaguar ($199 for the five pack). Others resorted to pirating the operating system.
Apple may not be able to make a copy-proof version of their operating system, but decoy copies of Panther can be placed onto public P2P networks to reduce the success for piraters of the operating system.
As for pricing, the magic peak price right now is $99.99. And this is how much Panther should sell for.
Again, if Apple offered Panther for downloading a copy from an Apple Store either for free or for cheap, there are other things to consider:
A: Does it take two CDs?
B: If burning a copy of Panther is free, Apple would make minimal profit.
C: If burning a copy of Panther was cheap, Apple would make little profit.
Edit: Don't forget that .Mac has been instituted as something that is no longer free. If people do not buy .Mac, there is no profit and no harm done. If people do buy .Mac, Apple makes some percentage of $100 profit instead of $0 profit.
IMHO, I would be really surprised to see Panther go for free. I think Apple (thankfully) has gone away from giving away everything for free. I mean it was nice but they lost major $$$ by doing so. I think 10.1 was a gimme simply by how 10.0 was such a dog. Besides, who else in the industry gives away OS's for free (I mean, when you have to plop down big bucks for something like Windows ME, you know there is no such thing as a free OS)
It is not Apple can't put copy protection on Macs, it is it does not want to. Apple said that if pirating gets out of hand on the Mac then it will put copy protection similar to WindowsXP. So if people pirate, they just push the price up for everyone else. Besides I thought it was only the PC owners that pirated.
Hmm, when did they say that? Must be some inside information you heard at the store that you are now confusing with common knowlege?
nope no inside knowledge, it was in a video, many of my friends here on macrumors have seen the same thing, i could just never dig it up. i dont give out inside info. it was phil schiller talking, probably was a year ago when there was the discussion of jaguar costing 129.
iJon
Hmm never saw the video. There was a lot of guessing including on my part that it would be an every other pay upgrade. I've seen every release that Apple has aired I don't think that was a mission statement on there part.
yeah, i stopped worrying about it a long time ago after i got into an argument with some guy telling me to back up my words or i should buy everyone panther
. im just gonna wait and see what happens because it makes no difference to me, to other people it will though because if apple charges again this is gonna start being an expensive osiJon
Originally posted by iJon
yeah, i stopped worrying about it a long time ago after i got into an argument with some guy telling me to back up my words or i should buy everyone panther
iJon
If you've gone through this before I appologize your words good enough for me. I trust you.
yeah i have, i dont really care. thats why i said we really dont know if apple will stick to it. we all know how apple works, can change at any time. next month all our questions will be answered. we will just have to see how many new features we get and we may get a good idea of the cost. Did apple annouce the price of jaguar at WWDC?
iJon
No offense, but how do all you people get to be members without knowing the answers to such easy and recent questions?
I know questions are only easy if you know the answer, but one look at the Apple Store would show you that you buy Jaguar, and to date no full .point update had been available for download, so why would this be so different?
I know questions are only easy if you know the answer, but one look at the Apple Store would show you that you buy Jaguar, and to date no full .point update had been available for download, so why would this be so different?
As a substantial upgrade, Panther will probably not be free. Even if it were to Jaguar owners, the previous posts about how long it would take to download are right on.
Ah, but remember 10.1 was not a free download. You either paid like $20 for a cd to be sent to you or you went to your local Apple store for your free copy.
Yeah, but it wasn't free - and not available to download - which was the answer to the question.
Panther will be full price, and it will justify it, I'm sure.
I agree that in the thinking that Panther will be a pay upgrade. You did on the other hand say that know full point upgrade was free and that was incorrect that is what I was pointing out. It was free all you had to do was go to an Authorized Apple reseller and if you had purchased 10.0 then you got 10.1 for no charge at all. That is why some people are wondering about 10.3. They are applying and every other pay upgrade rule to the process which may or may not be the case even though apparently Apple did in fact state that as the case at one point.
