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AGX

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Hi,

actually do you still buy music on iTunes or you switched to Apple Music or another streaming service?
 

peterpayne

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I do... artists get much less with streaming (at least Apple Music pays more than Spotify), when I want to support a project or an album, I buy it on iTunes.

Also, I've got an iPhone but also an iPod nano that I still use and you can't use Apple Music there.

I guess I'll switch to Apple Music eventually, but I like to keep my metadata and stuff my way, so we'll see... Apple should definitely allow you to do that, I tested Apple Music a couple of times and that part was awful.
 

jakeenzo

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I do... artists get much less with streaming (at least Apple Music pays more than Spotify), when I want to support a project or an album, I buy it on iTunes.

Tbh, the artists earn enough. These days they make most of their money through touring, not record sales. It's just the way the industry is moving, hence why more artists are getting on board with streaming.
 

IamDave

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I do. The main reason is though that I don't spend enough on music every year to justify near enough £120 a year on Apple Music.

As much as I like the concept of Apple Music and the library I just wouldn't make enough use of it either. The playlists don't really interest me as I usually end up skipping things I've never heard before and as I don't have CarPlay in my car I can't use Siri to select tracks (use the car's voice command system to control an old iPod Nano).

If I spent more on music downloads and made good use of the features I'd definitely look at streaming instead.
 

peterpayne

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Tbh, the artists earn enough. These days they make most of their money through touring, not record sales. It's just the way the industry is moving, hence why more artists are getting on board with streaming.

Well it depends. The big names earn enough but there are a lot of indie or small artists that don't.

You get about 33 USD for 10.000 plays on Spotify. Apple Music pays about 150 USD for that same amount of plays, which is better.

I'm talking about plain indie payments, I'm sure mainstream and big acts get more (for every play, I mean)...

On iTunes, it's aways 70/30 of every sale (70% for you, 30% for Apple) which is more than fair in my opinion.

Anyway I'm not against streaming at all :) It's not the future, it's the present. Digital sales are not over but just like physical, less and less people are buying them. I just hope streaming gets better and better and we all can build a fair system for everybody. :) And I'm happy to see Apple Music paying much more than Spotify, really.
 

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Well it depends. The big names earn enough but there are a lot of indie or small artists that don't.
You have to look at the complete picture. On one hand they obviously earn more money for a purchased song than for a single play on a streaming service, but on the other hand they may see many more plays from people who wouldn't have purchased the song otherwise, either because they would have turned to Youtube or piracy, or because they simply wouldn't know about the artist. Since having Spotify, I listen to many more less known artists than I have ever before, mostly due to the Discover Weekly playlist. I now generate income for them that they wouldn't have seen otherwise.

There is a reason why music industry revenue is now seeing growth again for the first time since over a decade:

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...oint-for-music-industry-with-revenues-of-15bn
 

bigpoppamac31

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I still do, every Thursday night. I use streaming services (Apple Music and Spotify Premium) as albums/singles review sources. Owning music is something special in my opinion. If that's not crazy enough, I also buy physical copy as well (records). Hopefully Apple will not unplug iTunes Store any time soon.

Yeah I hope there will always be album and songs to buy and download and not just stream. I've not used Apple Music or any streaming service but I've heard that AM messes with the users iTunes Library which I would really hate. Also I still buy CDs which I have no issue doing if I truly want to support an artist.
 
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I still buy; I did the Apple Music trial when it first launched but didn't find myself using it. I do occasionally use Pandora when I want to discover something new, and then I tend to buy the stuff I like (either from iTunes or on CD).
 

bigpoppamac31

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I still buy; I did the Apple Music trial when it first launched but didn't find myself using it. I do occasionally use Pandora when I want to discover something new, and then I tend to buy the stuff I like (either from iTunes or on CD).

yeah that's what I'd do if I had something like that or Spotify.
 

Rigby

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yeah that's what I'd do if I had something like that or Spotify.
You should really give it a try. Spotify has changed my listening habits quite a bit. I listen a lot more to music I didn't know before, thanks to the tailored discovery playlists (which work amazingly well at finding new stuff that I like) as well as playlists shared by other users. If I had to buy all that, I'd be bankrupt. ;) I still have my (rather large) personal collection, but I have to admit that I use it less and less.
 

bigpoppamac31

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You should really give it a try. Spotify has changed my listening habits quite a bit. I listen a lot more to music I didn't know before, thanks to the tailored discovery playlists (which work amazingly well at finding new stuff that I like) as well as playlists shared by other users. If I had to buy all that, I'd be bankrupt. ;) I still have my (rather large) personal collection, but I have to admit that I use it less and less.

Oh I'd still buy music. But it would be nice to have something like Spotify to listen to full songs instead of just clips like in the iTunes Store.
 

smorrissey

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yes i do, cd's too, as a matter of fact i bougth all this year releases twice, firts on iTunes (release date) then on CD.
 
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yes i do, cd's too, as a matter of fact i bougth all this year releases twice, firts on iTunes (release date) then on CD.

Why by them twice?

A side note is that I've noticed once in a while that an album will not be released on CD. For example the Guardians of the Galaxy movie score is only on iTunes or Amazon as downloads. There's no CD option. I'm disappointed about that but I can easily see things going that way. Although I'm surprised CDs haven't been fazed out already.
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My personal library of CD's.

Yeah I've have most of my music from CDs. But some are from iTunes.
 

doolittle27

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Yeah I hope there will always be album and songs to buy and download and not just stream. I've not used Apple Music or any streaming service but I've heard that AM messes with the users iTunes Library which I would really hate. Also I still buy CDs which I have no issue doing if I truly want to support an artist.

If you were to jump on music streaming ship, I'd recommend Spotify. Mainly because Apple Music still trying to mess with your content details (such as album art, which I REALLY care about).
 
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smorrissey

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Why by them twice?

A side note is that I've noticed once in a while that an album will not be released on CD. For example the Guardians of the Galaxy movie score is only on iTunes or Amazon as downloads. There's no CD option. I'm disappointed about that but I can easily see things going that way. Although I'm surprised CDs haven't been fazed out already.
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Yeah I've have most of my music from CDs. But some are from iTunes.

Well i prefer the Euro editions so i have to wait for them to arrive, also at the end i rip them to my iTunes collection, by buying them on iTunes i get pre-release tracks, save the rip, mastered for iTunes and i can listen them the day of the release.

And although the streaming service would apparently save me from still buying files i prefer to own something.

Yeah i know it is a stupid tendency perhaps more sooner than later i'm gonna stop completely buying CD's.
 
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bigpoppamac31

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Well i prefer the Euro editions so i have to wait for them to arrive, also at the end i rip them to my iTunes collection, by buying them on iTunes i get pre-release tracks, save the rip, mastered for iTunes and i can listen them the day of the release.

And although the streaming service would apparently save me from still buying files i prefer to own something.

Yeah i know it is a stupid tendency perhaps more sooner than later i'm gonna stop completely buying CD's.


I don't mind buying from iTunes but I do wish Apple would give us higher quality tracks. Give us the option to download in Apple Lossless or FLAC or uncompressed. But also heard that if you move to another country that transfering your music is not so easy. I would think just updating your address and payment method would be enough but maybe not.

Also what do you mean Euro editions? How are they different than the US version?
 

doolittle27

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Speaking of Spotify I saw this article yesterday. Kinda makes me not want to use them either unless I'm not understanding what he's saying.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/music/why-i-have-to-quit-spotify/

Just finished skimming through the article, and it looks like a rather long rant from somebody. The writer pointed out that using Spotify does not make you the owner of the content, you just rent it. Everything you put your dedication on like (for example, playlists) can go waste if saying one day Spotify stop its business. Some other part of the article just talk about his frustration on his experience with the service. I see it that he doesn't understand the condition of the features. For example, he downloaded the music for offline listening, but left his device offline for more than number of days Spotify allowed. Of course, those downloaded tracks being deleted because if not many people would have download the app, create playlist, download for offline, unsubscribe and listen to those tracks forever.

I'd say that Spotify and other music streaming services are good, but don't expect them to be there forever. If you want to own music, buy it. If you are in a for fun ride, exploring new music you may never heard, then try it and see where it takes you. :)
 
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smorrissey

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I don't mind buying from iTunes but I do wish Apple would give us higher quality tracks. Give us the option to download in Apple Lossless or FLAC or uncompressed. But also heard that if you move to another country that transfering your music is not so easy. I would think just updating your address and payment method would be enough but maybe not.

Also what do you mean Euro editions? How are they different than the US version?

Same here man, if Apple would give us 24 bits Flacs...goodbye cd's....

I love many Spanish Rock pop bands all those cd's are not printed in America so i need to import them.

Anyways last Depeche Mode & U2 releases i prefer having them made in the EU, manufacturing quality is superior, also in the past many masterings were different, extra tracks too, etc..

However if i'm gonna buy a new Metallica release for example i prefer the states version one.
 

bigpoppamac31

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Just finished skimming through the article, and it looks like a rather long rant from somebody. The writer pointed out that using Spotify does not make you the owner of the content, you just rent it. Everything you put your dedication on like (for example, playlists) can go waste if saying one day Spotify stop its business. Some other part of the article just talk about his frustration on his experience with the service. I see it that he doesn't understand the condition of the features. For example, he downloaded the music for offline listening, but left his device offline for more than number of days Spotify allowed. Of course, those downloaded tracks being deleted because if not many people would have download the app, create playlist, download for offline, unsubscribe and listen to those tracks forever.

I'd say that Spotify and other music streaming services are good, but don't expect them to be there forever. If you want to own music, buy it. If you are in a for fun ride, exploring new music you may never heard, then try it and see where it takes you. :)

Yeah I definitely prefer to buy my music (and movies) as opposed to renting or streaming. Although I do use Netflix now and then. I wouldn't mind Apple Music if it didn't mess around with people's personal music library. Maybe Spotify would be better in that it's separate from iTunes.
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Same here man, if Apple would give us 24 bits Flacs...goodbye cd's....

I love many Spanish Rock pop bands all those cd's are not printed in America so i need to import them.

Anyways last Depeche Mode & U2 releases i prefer having them made in the EU, manufacturing quality is superior, also in the past many masterings were different, extra tracks too, etc..

However if i'm gonna buy a new Metallica release for example i prefer the states version one.

How is the manufacturing quality superior in the EU as opposed to the US? I have actually seen music or movies where the content or packaging is different in North America vs Europe. I'm sure there's a reason for that.
 
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