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Sun Baked

macrumors G5
May 19, 2002
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Probably not, IBM and Motorola expended some money on several occassions to try to goose the PPC marketshare (these are the times PPC was ahead of Intel) and except for the G3 and G4 capturing significant embedded marketshare ... the desktop market wasn't too big a hit.

But these periods they sank money into PPC really didn't capture any significant interest in computers -- a key benchmark needed for Apple.

Apple needed at least one or two other manufacturers selling PPC computers to keep IBM and Freescale interested in making desktop chips to make them continually sink money into R&D to keep PPC on par with Intel.

Take the G5, it was an IBM gambit to recover a portion of marketshare from the G4 -- it didn't work. Apple used it, but the embedded space found it too Rube Goldberg, too hot, and too expensive in the R&D dept.

Why put a CPU in the computer that requires another PPC CPU to even come up to a stable clock -- when the G4 will do it on a simpler, cheaper, and lower Watt package.

Sony and MicroSoft aren't good examples either, they needed a lot of R&D to design a new chip -- but that chip design isn't something that requires continual R&D to make it better every year. These chips need R&D to make them cheaper to produce during their lifespan. No real R&D is needed until the "next" box is designed.

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In order for Apple to switch back they need reassurance that they will be offered a chip that will be continually developed. Not something that gets a makeover every 3 or 4 years.

Which is what they got with Intel ...

MicroSoft or Amiga could have saved the PPC platform, but MS walked away from it and Amiga kept going BK.

Now even Amiga OS 4.0 will have to port to Intel with Apple's exit from the PPC market ... unless they think they alone can save the PPC desktop market when Apple couldn't.
 

DakotaGuy

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Jan 14, 2002
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I don't think they will. The reason that Apple switched is because x86 is more a much more advanced processor. If PowerPC ever comes out with something that is as good as Intel offers, I doubt at that time Apple would transistion back. I think x86 is here to stay for good until the day x86 becomes obsolete technology like PowerPC has. Then at that point everyone will need to transistion. It seems however that x86 has never hit a roadblock like PPC has and the speed continues to increase every few months. I guess time will tell.
 

gekko513

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Oct 16, 2003
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Abercrombieboy said:
I don't think they will. The reason that Apple switched is because x86 is more a much more advanced processor. If PowerPC ever comes out with something that is as good as Intel offers, I doubt at that time Apple would transistion back. I think x86 is here to stay for good until the day x86 becomes obsolete technology like PowerPC has. Then at that point everyone will need to transistion. It seems however that x86 has never hit a roadblock like PPC has and the speed continues to increase every few months. I guess time will tell.
I don't think that's the case at all. I still think the PowerPC architecture is a better architecture than x86, but the market just isn't big enough to keep the price down and the R&D efforts up.
 

kwajo.com

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Jul 17, 2002
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Abercrombieboy said:
I don't think they will. The reason that Apple switched is because x86 is more a much more advanced processor. If PowerPC ever comes out with something that is as good as Intel offers, I doubt at that time Apple would transistion back. I think x86 is here to stay for good until the day x86 becomes obsolete technology like PowerPC has. Then at that point everyone will need to transistion. It seems however that x86 has never hit a roadblock like PPC has and the speed continues to increase every few months. I guess time will tell.

I'm going to agree with gekko and say this just isn't true, PPC isn't obsolete technology as compared to x86, it's still very much an advanced architecture
 

themacman

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Jun 7, 2004
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im shure they could. Jobs would just have to admit he was wrong and comptley go against everything he said at wwdc.
 

jefhatfield

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kainjow said:
That's the beauty of universal binaries. Unlike any other company, Apple can use PPC or x86 for whatever they want in the future.

very true...hey...kainjow, macrumors oldest member...how the heck are you these days? long time no see

all i care about is that apple inc has a good and easy to use operating system that flows with whatever hardware they use at the time...plus have the prettiest machines on the planet :)
 

andiwm2003

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Mar 29, 2004
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my hope is that apps will be compiled in xcode to universal binaries. then they are probably hardware independent in a way like with graphic cards. most programs run on most gpu's. maybe not optimized but they run.

this would allow apple to use whatever processors are there. they even can have intels in the powerbooks, g5's in the powermacs, g4's in the mini's, amd's in the imacs and it wouldn't matter.

i think apps that are largely hardware independend are the future anyway.
 

revisionA

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May 27, 2005
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FFTT said:
The Quad shows that good things come to those who wait and IBM may just be attempting a move to keep doors open for the future.

Nothing is stopping Apple from Doing a Quad Intel this time next year, two cpus, two cores each.

What I really want is Intel to make a Mac only MB... you know, everything tops!

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RobHague

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Jul 8, 2005
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Heb1228 said:
And "lol" should only be used when you are actually laughing out loud.

How did you know i wasent? ;) I use lol when i think something is funny or amusing.


Anyways.. interesting responses. I'm not sure i agree that PPC is 'obselete' its still in use in embeded form. I was just hoping that during 'transition' Apple might keep Universal Binarys indefinatley and possibly offer some more PPC products in the future. I'd really like a Quad-core PPC :D but thats just the geek in me... guess ill have to just settle for the run-o-the-mill x86's from Intel. ;)

One this is for sure though, Apple are going to have to fight for my cash next year or so. I mean, I love my Mac and the price premium didnt seem too bad considering they were the only 'consumer level' PPC systems. I read about the benifits of PPC with Altvec and was excited at using different technology to what id find in my PC all these years. Ok so maybe thats slightley shallow.... do Apple care i still bought a Mac thats what counts? ;)

Well come 2006/7 'Vista' will be here, and so will Intel Mac's and unless the Power Mac's based on Intel CPU's are pretty distinctive offerings im not sure if i would definatley say id buy one. If Vista is half as good as Tiger then thats something....if leopard is something pretty special like 'tiger' though that could swing my purchase.
 

link92

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Aug 15, 2004
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csubear said:
OS X is now platform independent. After the intel transition apple could theoretically use any instruction set it wanted to.
Not now, has been since NeXTSTEP.

NeXTSTEP did run on SPARC... Seems so likely... So does 68k :)
 
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