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striker33

macrumors 65816
Aug 6, 2010
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In the dark, I use only one square of brightness to not disturb my wife. I do not consider that stupid.

Figure of speech.

Replace the word "stupidly" with "very" if you please, it still has the same effect.
 

iRun26.2

macrumors 68020
Aug 15, 2010
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They are already printed with reflective ink in the Rev D (i.e. 2010). Not like mirror-shine-reflective, but they are certainly silver-coloured and not white. And yes - I can see all the letters in the glow from the LCD backlight in the dark. I cannot see the symbols on the function keys, though, since these keys are too close to the bezel.

And those keys are the ones that I don't have memorized!
 

iRun26.2

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Aug 15, 2010
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I hope they bring it back just to end all the threads like this one.

Personally, it's a useless feature. I use my MBA in the dark all the time and have never really felt like I wanted a backlit keyboard...

Then why don't you kindly just ignore this thread. There are a lot of people who are interested in the BLK feature so, therefore it isn't useless. Just because you don't feel a need for it doesn't mean that other people don't have a right to their own opinion.
 

fyrefly

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2004
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I hope it comes back as I miss it dearly.

I'm going to miss it too :( ... for those times when watching a movie, reading something etc with no hands on the keyboard, and then the need arises to press a key. E.g. changing the screen brightness, changing volume, subtitle delay, etc. It's really hard to see where the keys are if you just quickly need to tap a single key.

I'd rather have the MBA 1 mm thicker with it than 1 mm thinner and without it.

I am 100% in agreement with all of you regarding the BL keyboard. I've started working on a 2010 MBA and I miss it dearly.

But be careful... if this thread is anything like the other ones, there's about to be a bunch of trolls that come in here and tell us that anyone who wants a BL keyboard, or likes the feature in any way are all idiots who can't type and are somehow inferior to all those who hate the BL keyboard. :p :S
 

Beaverman3001

macrumors 6502a
May 20, 2010
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It isn't hard to memorize keys :rolleyes: these threads are getting old. I hope they discontinue it on every line just to annoy you people who can't type (kidding). But seriously, basing your whole purchase on a simple unneeded feature like a backlit keyboard makes no sense.
 

Beanoir

macrumors 6502a
Dec 9, 2010
571
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51 degrees North
Then why don't you kindly just ignore this thread. There are a lot of people who are interested in the BLK feature so, therefore it isn't useless. Just because you don't feel a need for it doesn't mean that other people don't have a right to their own opinion.

I think it's not the issue of ignoring this thread so much, it's having to put up with people keep starting new threads about the same old topic!! Seriously, SEARCH function is there for a reason.
 

torbjoern

macrumors 65816
Jun 9, 2009
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The Black Lodge
If putting the backlit keyboard in the Air will give the keys the same soft resistance of e.g. a Pro, I hope they won't put it back in. The question should be "will the keyboard of the MBA be improved?" instead. If it's backlit AND just as comfortable to type at, it's certainly an improvement.

It's an expensive computer, and Apple should have a VERY good reason for not including it. I have no problems with touch-typing at all, but I do love backlit keyboard, though.
 

57004

Cancelled
Aug 18, 2005
1,022
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If Apple plans to keep the same design -- which I think they will since they usually stick to one design for a few years -- then I don't foresee back light keys being added onto the Air. However, maybe the lack of back lighting has nothing to do with whether the Air has enough space or not, and more so with prices or battery life? I don't know.

I don't think keeping the same design necessarily precludes a BL keyboard. The very first MBA didn't have it but it was introduced in the next revision, which had the same physical design.
 

iRun26.2

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Aug 15, 2010
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I don't think keeping the same design necessarily precludes a BL keyboard. The very first MBA didn't have it but it was introduced in the next revision, which had the same physical design.

I think you are incorrect. My first generation MBA has a backlit keyboard.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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Imagine if they can get the Air to have as much battery life as the iPads do? 10 hours would be impressive.
 

bcaslis

macrumors 68020
Mar 11, 2008
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I don't think keeping the same design necessarily precludes a BL keyboard. The very first MBA didn't have it but it was introduced in the next revision, which had the same physical design.

That's not correct. The very first MBA had a backlight keyboard. I had one.

That's another reason I don't expect to see a backlight keyboard until there is a form factor change. So no change in the next update.
 

mrsir2009

macrumors 604
Sep 17, 2009
7,505
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Melbourne, Australia
To all the people who will/have bitch(ed) about the fact that the backlit keyboard will drain the battery: If you don't like it, turn it off. Its not going to use any battery life if its turned off :rolleyes:
 

DarwinOSX

macrumors 68000
Nov 3, 2009
1,659
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I think it will. There are a lot of complaints about it having one and I think this is the kind of complaint Apple may actually listen to.
 

happyslayer

macrumors 65816
Feb 3, 2008
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Glendale, AZ
I type just fine, but I do miss the BL keyboard that I had on my Rev B Air. Do I absolutely need it? Well, no, obviously not since I bought the 11.6. But it was a nice feature and it helped when I needed to do certain non-memorized key combos. Also, I did like to write in the dark. Now I usually have at least one light on in the room.

JMO
 

patent10021

macrumors 68040
Apr 23, 2004
3,531
810
I was about to pull the trigger on a new 13" MBA today until I realized that WTF, the cheaper MBPs have a BLKB and the MBAs don't. For me, this feature is valuable. I might buy a MBP and replace the optical with a second HD instead. Wanted the thin MBA though. Sigh.
 

fyrefly

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2004
624
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I was about to pull the trigger on a new 13" MBA today until I realized that WTF, the cheaper MBPs have a BLKB and the MBAs don't. For me, this feature is valuable. I might buy a MBP and replace the optical with a second HD instead. Wanted the thin MBA though. Sigh.

If you don't need a computer right away, I'd wait about a month or so... there could be new MBA's out, and they might have the BL keyboard back...? :)
 

Mobius 1

macrumors 6502
Feb 11, 2011
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USEA
i hope this backlit key thing will not get screwed up like the early unibody ancestors did.

backlit only on high end model (me no hav monies)
 

patent10021

macrumors 68040
Apr 23, 2004
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810
If you don't need a computer right away, I'd wait about a month or so... there could be new MBA's out, and they might have the BL keyboard back...? :)
Are you yanking my chain? Didn't they just release new laptops and iMacs with Thunderbolt a couple of months ago?
 
These BL-keyboad threads are like cancer.


Another pointless response, to a pointless response, to a pointless post/thread.




On Topic: I'd like it too but it's not here, yes it might come back, we'll see.

Another to another to another to...give it a break yall. In defense of the thread starter, this is a very pertinent question and I think deserving of the speculation. *Stepping off soap box

I personally think Apple will include BL to the next MBA just on the amount of criticism they're receiving alone. Taking it away was total lunacy. Me thinks it was a horrible attempt to convey the P in MBP...and somehow justify it more to people [though SB (minus it's IGP) and TB are great]

I still haven't forgiven them for keeping 1280x800 in the TB 13 MBP. :(

Are you yanking my chain? Didn't they just release new laptops and iMacs with Thunderbolt a couple of months ago?

New MacBook Pro's (and yes iMacs)...the Macbook Airs were last refreshed late 2010 (Octish I think...cant remember). Id think a summer refresh at latest...but Im no insider:cool:
 
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Stetrain

macrumors 68040
Feb 6, 2009
3,550
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100% competent touch typist here, typing on my non-backlit 2008 aluminum Macbook.

I would love to see a backlit keyboard on the 2011 MBA. Sure I can type paragraphs just fine without seeing the keys, but sometimes finding punctuation, function keys, or the fn/ctrl/alt keys (I go back and forth between Windows and Apple keyboards a lot) can be frustrating.

Just a small amount of backlight would be fine and would make using the computer a lot easier in dark situations. Sure you can get along just fine without it, I get along just fine without it right now, but when you're paying so much money for a premium laptop why should you have to squint and strain your eyes when all of the other premium Apple laptops have it as a standard feature?

My thought is that margins were very thin (by Apple standards :p ) when they released these new MBAs with standard SSDs, just like margins were thin with the first generation of unibody Macbooks.

Next revision the component and manufacturing costs should be a bit lower so I can see them throwing it back in. If they do I'll probably get a specced out 13" Air, if not I'll go with the 13" Pro which strangely still lacks the high res screen.
 
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fyrefly

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2004
624
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Are you yanking my chain? Didn't they just release new laptops and iMacs with Thunderbolt a couple of months ago?

Not yanking your chain at all! Multiple people who have accurately predicted MBP/MBA refreshes in the past have said that they expect Sandy Bridge-equipped MBAs to be released in June.

Apple has said there's gonna be no hardware releases at WWDC (no iPhone 5, and I guess no MBA) but that doesn't mean it can't release new MBAs later in the month...
 

trims

macrumors regular
May 11, 2011
232
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Nottingham, UK
Do you think the backlit keyboard will come back to the MBA, in the next release (June, as many people think)???

Why is this such a big issue? Its not cost. Or practicality. If Onkyo can manage backlit keys on their remote controls, surely Apple can do it for a laptop? :rolleyes:
 

fyrefly

macrumors 6502a
Jun 27, 2004
624
67
Why is this such a big issue? Its not cost. Or practicality. If Onkyo can manage backlit keys on their remote controls, surely Apple can do it for a laptop? :rolleyes:

I suspect it *is* cost. Even if it's $1/machine to outfit the backlit keyboard, that would be over $2M that Apple's saved (I assume they've sold almost 2 million MacBook Airs since October 2010 - due to the fact they sold over a million from October to January).

Apple likes keeping a ~30% margin on it's products. And Flash storage is expensive - so in trying to hit the $999 price-point, some things had to be sacrificed. The BL keyboard was one of those things.

People have said it's due to thinness, but there have been some engineers on these forums that have said that's hogwash, plus the fact that the new air is only 2mm thinner than the old air - which had a backlit keyboard. There's no way 2mm precludes the inclusion of the BL keyboard.
 

johnkountz

Guest
Nov 3, 2007
40
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USA
Backlit keyboard is MUST have

I will NOT buy another Mac without backlit keyboard. I hope Apple changes this policy, removing it from current gen Air's. I use my computer MOSTLY in dark settings, so this is a MUST have.
 
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