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JaySoul

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That's kind of useless in the sense of this particular topic because Apple stupidly doesn't allow you to delay signing in if you use the fp sensor. I don't get that. If I could delay signing in with the fp sensor 30 minutes I'd be satisfied with it, even though it's hit or miss. Some day I'd like to be in a room with Apple execs and just ask "why?"

Really? Is that how it works? I haven't got the 5S.

So basically it's more like Android now, so if you have the fp scanner activated, you have to use it every single time?

Omg that would annoy me. Wow.
 

daveathall

macrumors 68020
Aug 6, 2010
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I haven't missed the feature but concede that it can be useful for those that want the added security, so it should be applauded. I am sure that further development will see advancements and different uses for it. The ever onward march of technology. Great innit?
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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That's kind of useless in the sense of this particular topic because Apple stupidly doesn't allow you to delay signing in if you use the fp sensor. I don't get that. If I could delay signing in with the fp sensor 30 minutes I'd be satisfied with it, even though it's hit or miss. Some day I'd like to be in a room with Apple execs and just ask "why?"

Really? Is that how it works? I haven't got the 5S.

So basically it's more like Android now, so if you have the fp scanner activated, you have to use it every single time?

Omg that would annoy me. Wow.

Forgive me, maybe I'm missing something but what's the benefit of delaying to use the fp sensor? You still have wake the device and swipe the screen to unlock, correct? On my HTC one, if I completely disable screen lock I still have to swipe to unlock the screen. With the fp sensor, that's done in basically one action--press the home button with a finger/thumb, hold for a split second and the device opens. How is that more difficult than having to wake with home button or power button, then move a thumb to swipe the screen?
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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Forgive me, maybe I'm missing something but what's the benefit of delaying to use the fp sensor? You still have wake the device and swipe the screen to unlock, correct? With the fp sensor, that's done in basically one action--press the home button with a finger/thumb, hold for a split second and the device opens. How is that more difficult than having to wake with home button or power button, then move a thumb to swipe the screen?

I was comparing it to using a lock code. If you use a lock code you can delay it locking, if you use the fp sensor you cannot delay it locking. It's nice if I'm at work and want to use my phone on and off but don't want to unlock all the time, but I still know long term if my phone is stolen or lost it will lock itself in a certain amount of time.

And believe it or not, just swiping to unlock is better than the fp, although obviously much less secure. The fp sensor is crappy where it only works half the time if that, where the slide to unlock at least works all the time. I'd love to delay the fp sensor so I only need to use it every 30 minutes, or something like that.
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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I was comparing it to using a lock code. If you use a lock code you can delay it locking, if you use the fp sensor you cannot delay it locking. It's nice if I'm at work and want to use my phone on and off but don't want to unlock all the time, but I still know long term if my phone is stolen or lost it will lock itself in a certain amount of time.

Understand but my point was why disable/delay the fp sensor when using it is still easier than your method of unlocking your device without a lock pin/pattern?

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I was comparing it to using a lock code. If you use a lock code you can delay it locking, if you use the fp sensor you cannot delay it locking. It's nice if I'm at work and want to use my phone on and off but don't want to unlock all the time, but I still know long term if my phone is stolen or lost it will lock itself in a certain amount of time.

And believe it or not, just swiping to unlock is better than the fp, although obviously much less secure. The fp sensor is crappy where it only works half the time if that, where the slide to unlock at least works all the time. I'd love to delay the fp sensor so I only need to use it every 30 minutes, or something like that.

If it's only working half the time I can understand your frustration but my unlock attempts using the fp sensor fail maybe 1 out of 20, maybe less. In fact just tried mine quickly 20 times in a row with 3 different fingers with varying orientations and didn't fail once. If yours is failing that much, I'd try added more fingerprint profiles and if it continues, definitely would have Apple swap it out.
 

Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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Forgive me, maybe I'm missing something but what's the benefit of delaying to use the fp sensor? You still have wake the device and swipe the screen to unlock, correct? On my HTC one, if I completely disable screen lock I still have to swipe to unlock the screen. With the fp sensor, that's done in basically one action--press the home button with a finger/thumb, hold for a split second and the device opens. How is that more difficult than having to wake with home button or power button, then move a thumb to swipe the screen?

I wake my 5S up with my thumb on the home button 95% of the time. From my perspective FP scanner is easier than using slide to unlock and password because TouchID requires no additional effort whatsoever, and seamlessly integrates with how I already use the phone.

The whole point of TouchID is the extra security. Delaying it seems to negate the purpose.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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Understand but my point was why disable/delay the fp sensor when using it is still easier than your method of unlocking your device without a lock pin/pattern?

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If it's only working half the time I can understand your frustration but my unlock attempts using the fp sensor fail maybe 1 out of 20, maybe less. In fact just tried mine quickly 20 times in a row with 3 different fingers with varying orientations and didn't fail once. If yours is failing that much, I'd try added more fingerprint profiles and if it continues, definitely would have Apple swap it out.

Well that's my entire point, using the fp sensor isn't as easy as sliding or even entering in a pin when it doesn't work. When it works great. There are a couple of threads already on these forums about this, there is also a huge thread on the apple forums. Maybe it's a hardware issue, maybe a software one I don't know, but there are many who are having an issue. It has happened on 2 separate 5s's I've owned. There are varying solutions out there, including redoing your prints, which do work temporarily to a varying degree.

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I wake my 5S up with my thumb on the home button 95% of the time. From my perspective FP scanner is easier than using slide to unlock and password because TouchID requires no additional effort whatsoever, and seamlessly integrates with how I already use the phone.

The whole point of TouchID is the extra security. Delaying it seems to negate the purpose.

Yep I agree if it worked like that for me. I would LOVE to use the fp sensor all the time.
 

Markyboy81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 30, 2011
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Not a priority for me. Got my pebble set up so that while it's connected the screen lock is disabled. That's enough security for me
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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Do you want a fingerprint scanner?

I think some people that have trouble with Apples FP scanner just need to spend a bit more time setting it up.

From models I've tested with minimal to medium effort I could set it up to work 99% of the time if not better

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I had my doubts but ended up with being quite impressed. Plus I work with my hands (as you can see from my disgusting thumbnail) so my finger prints are pretty beat up.
 

JaySoul

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Jan 30, 2008
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Forgive me, maybe I'm missing something but what's the benefit of delaying to use the fp sensor? You still have wake the device and swipe the screen to unlock, correct? On my HTC one, if I completely disable screen lock I still have to swipe to unlock the screen. With the fp sensor, that's done in basically one action--press the home button with a finger/thumb, hold for a split second and the device opens. How is that more difficult than having to wake with home button or power button, then move a thumb to swipe the screen?

I haven't got the 5S so can't really comment.

I understand what you're saying but moving away from the well-worn passage of click home button and sliiiiiide to wake will obviously take some people time to get used to.
 

kupkakez

macrumors 68020
Apr 4, 2011
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I don't care for a fingerprint scanner on a phone. The pattern unlocking on android devices doesn't really slow me down and isn't that inconvenient.

When I had the 5s the fingerprint scanner didn't seem that accurate as the days went on. My finger had to be completely dry and not recently washed for it to work.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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I think some people that have trouble with Apples FP scanner just need to spend a bit more time setting it up.

From models I've tested with minimal to medium effort I could set it up to work 99% of the time if not better

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I had my doubts but ended up with being quite impressed. Plus I work with my hands (as you can see from my disgusting thumbnail) so my finger prints are pretty beat up.

What did you do in particular? I have followed several guides from forum posters to gadget review sites and it seems to work great at first, but then hours later it's hit or miss. I've even registered the 2 fingers I use twice just to make sure I got all the angles.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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2,156
What did you do in particular? I have followed several guides from forum posters to gadget review sites and it seems to work great at first, but then hours later it's hit or miss. I've even registered the 2 fingers I use twice just to make sure I got all the angles.

Nothing in particular. Just kept touching it. However I'll admit I don't own a 5S so I can't say it would work as well hours later.
 
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