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I was almost going to order a new Lightning cable for my iPhone 8 and realized a new iPhone model is coming out I a few months that could possibly have a USB-C connection.

Is this something others are wanting? What’s the real benefit of Lightning over USB-C?

A few years ago I was hoping USB-C would take the Lightning connector, but that didn’t happen.

If it does happen, I’m going full in with chargers, cables, maybe even a MacBook.
 
For me the usb-c on iPhone would feel like a move backwards, not forward. The lighting port is already smaller and feels better when connecting/disconnecting compared to usb-c.

I haven’t used a USB-C device, so I can’t comment on the feel, but other than the feel, what other benefits does Lightning have? I’d rather one cable to rule them all and one type of power adaptor.
 
The only benefit USB-C would have is the ability to use the same cables as other USB-C peripherals. Other than that, it has no benefit over Lightning for phones.
 
I haven’t used a USB-C device, so I can’t comment on the feel, but other than the feel, what other benefits does Lightning have? I’d rather one cable to rule them all and one type of power adaptor.

From the technical standpoint, the Thunderbolt-3/USB-C is way more advanced and capable cable, but at this point, I bet the lightning cable is far more popular than USB-C as there is a handful of devices that even feature usb-c cable, while lighting cable has been on every new device that Apple sales since 2012 if I am not mistaken.

Personally, I think the USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 situation is a total mess. Not all ports are equal, not all cables are equal as there are already several versions of it. Some cables only offer limited power delivery (up to 60Watts) some offer higher power delivery (up to 100Watts) some can carry data, while other are for power only. Add to the mix Thunderbolt 3 devices/ports/cables and while the physical port looks the same, you end up with another mix of cables and devices that might not be compatible.
 
I haven’t used a USB-C device, so I can’t comment on the feel, but other than the feel, what other benefits does Lightning have? I’d rather one cable to rule them all and one type of power adaptor.

Lightning will never be "one cable to rule them all." Why? It's proprietary, with relatively high licensing fees.

If that is important to you, USB-C has a much better chance of getting near that target. Why? Because everyone else (and Apple too on the other Apple products) are embracing it in any Lightning vs. USB-C decision-making.

Lightning will be ridden until Apple "thinners" it out of existence... possibly replaced by Lightning 2 or Lightning Mini because proprietary is more profitable than embracing an industry standard.

Most of this crowd will crown Lightning king in this contest because Apple endorses Lightning now. If Apple switched to USB-C or back to Firewire or USB-A, this crowd would move right with them (note how much love we see for Apple's proprietary 30-pin connector these days). Whatever Apple pushes now is what "we" push. And when Apple pushes one thing- like Lightning- in one product line but USB-C in another line of products, it makes perfect sense to favor Lightning where Apple has chosen IT as the ONE and favor the alternative where Apple has chosen IT as the ONE... just as it makes perfect sense to jettison the headphone jack from this ONE Apple product but keep it in everything else Apple makes. Apple is never dumb for either- only fellow consumers are dumb for not liking it where Apple has it and not hating it where Apple has removed it. :rolleyes:

Even Apple themselves has rolled out multiple generations of other Apple products choosing USB-C over Lightning. How many Macs have Lightning? Even the most expensive ones? Even the build-to-order ones? Even iMac Pros starting at $5K? If Apple doesn't push it in their own (other) products, how can it have any chance of becoming "one cable to rule them all?" We've seen this play out over and over before. The "weird" (proprietary) Apple connector- whatever it was in era after era- never becomes ubiquitous beyond the Apple bubble at it's very best... certainly far from "one cable to rule them all." Lightning will be no different... unless you can define "all" to be entirely within an Apple bubble... and that bubble being only Apple mobile devices, excluding Apple's own computers.

Personally, I would rather a new iPhone roll out with USB-C. And I wish Apple would put a headphone jack back IN iPhone too. USB-C would significantly simplify digital wired connections by unifying around a single new, industry-standard jack. Headphone jack is the most ubiquitous audio jack in the world and it going back in would have ZERO effect on those who favor Bluetooth or Lightning (it did not have to go to make either of those work- they ALREADY worked while iPhone still had a headphone jack). IMO- dongles are stupid/hassle/aggravating... especially when the key pieces of hardware (DSP) are still INSIDE iPhones so they can still work as a phone. And Apple still opts to build that jack in everything else, so most of our spin slung at each other seems to not be Apple's spin.

Anybody dare call Apple stupid for putting a headphone jack in every other Apple product? No, just I'll be stupid for wishing it would also be available in iPhone. Anybody dare call Apple stupid for not having Lightning jacks in all Macs? Of course not. It makes perfect sense for Macs to NOT have Lightning but Apple mobile devices to have it. "99.9% of customers don't mind dongles. In fact, we love them" and would welcome more features being jettisoned out to dongles: collect them all!
 
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Before, I was hoping Lightning would be on more devices. When the MacBook started dropping the A ports for the C, I thought we should just go all in, unless there’s a reason not to. For example, I believe the 30-pin had analog out, that micro-USB didn’t. This allowed it to work with other devices in different ways.

I was actually hoping Apple would put a female Lightning port on the MacBook to use with headphones and have a direct charge for iPhone. They could, maybe in theory, run a faster charge and higher data bandwidth since it’s their connection end to end.
 
It's really just about the money. Macs run on Intel chipsets. Intel chipsets build in ready support for USB jacks. Like Firewire or Magsafe, it would cost Apple a bit more to build Lightning jacks into Macs vs. using what is already readily there. So they choose the cheaper option.

iDevices run on Apple's own chips. They build whatever controllers they want into their chips. Lightning is much more profitable via proprietary licensing fees for all those cables and third party accessories that have to connect through Lightning. So Apple builds in support for Lightning there and thus it's most profitable and probably cheaper (only) for Apple to embrace Lightning in mobile devices.

iDevices are so dominant the added profitability of Lightning does not override the cost savings of NOT building it into Macs too. How many Mac people do NOT have an iPhone and/or iPad too? So Apple chooses the cheaper option(s) and just spins- or lets fans spin- how it makes perfect sense for a line of Apple products to use Lightning and another line of Apple products to not use Lightning... and "we" do exactly that. Apple fans just carry extra stuff to make that fragmentation of connections even within the Apple bubble work.

All other manufacturers wishing to buy into a digital connection will take the cheaper one instead of paying up for Apple licensing fees. USB will "win" this contest because it's cheaper to incorporate.

And the headphone jack will still be pretty much everywhere else (beyond Apple's bubble) because it is far more ubiquitous than Lightning or USB3 (and Bluetooth too) and will be for many years to come. It is also cheaper than adopting the USB option. So given a choice for building in some audio connection, the default will still be headphone jack and only some stuff will adopt USB. Only some of Apple's stuff will use Lightning. Then, like Magsafe, 30-pin, Firewire, etc, Apple will deprecate Lightning and it will quickly die as no one else will carry that torch at all. Lightning 2 or mini or micro will take over for select Apple devices. USBD (or 4) will take over for USB-C and headphone jack will simply carry on "as is" because it "just works" perfectly fine, is cheapest to implement and is the MOST ubiquitous such that pretty much everyone already has hardware that can take advantage of it.

So back to the OP question: if "one cable to rule them all" matters most, USB wins. If you must have Apple mobile products, you might as well jettison the desire for "one cable to rule them all" because Apple CHOOSES TO NOT even support that across it's own product lines. And if audio connections dominate much of the "one cable" thinking, headphone jacks are and will continue to be in far more places than USB-C, Bluetooth and Lightning... and will be for a very long time to come... mostly because money rules most of the decision-making on this topic... NOT what's best or easiest for us consumers.

If you must own Apple mobile devices, you must jettison your "one cable..." desire and likely embrace the dongle. It is THE way that Apple has chosen as best for everyone.

If audio dominates most of the "one cable..." thinking, Bluetooth offers an Apple product lines solution (iDevices AND Macs) but flops when you want to connect to much beyond computer-based audio hardware. There's no one option that covers all audio device bases now (the headphone jack USED to be that).
 
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I was almost going to order a new Lightning cable for my iPhone 8 and realized a new iPhone model is coming out I a few months that could possibly have a USB-C connection.

Is this something others are wanting? What’s the real benefit of Lightning over USB-C?

A few years ago I was hoping USB-C would take the Lightning connector, but that didn’t happen.

If it does happen, I’m going full in with chargers, cables, maybe even a MacBook.
I’d love to see the iPhone move to USB-C as I’m a huge fan of using standard ports instead of proprietary ports. However, I think the best we will see is USB-C to lightning with the wall adapter having a USB-C connection for faster charging.
 
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Apple makes money off the made for iPhone licensing for Lightning. That’s the only reason why they are even dragging their feet with it.
 
I have been advocating for a standardized norm. Between taking away headphone jacks, and all the different connectors, I feel Apple's left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing.
 
The MacBook I use now still uses the MagSafe connector. Even when I upgrade to a USB C Mac I doubt I’d ever really want to connect my iPhone to it. I can’t even remember the last time I connected my iPhone to my MBA. On the other hand I have lots of devices that use a lightning connector and have built up a collection of spare lightning cables. So I’d rather it stay as lightning.
 
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We’re an all Lightning household, no USB C devices here.

Having said that, I have the Apple 29w USB C charger with a USB C to Lightning lead, which I use for my iPad Pro 12.9.
 
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I want USB-C but it unfortunately won't happen this year according to the rumors. It would allow sharing chargers between pretty much every phone on the market and it would hopefully make my USB-C Flirting One Pro work with the iPhone (possibly with a firmware update).

I could also plug my audio interface in without having to buy the expensive lightning to USB adapter.

In contrast to a previous comment, I like the feel of USB-C better when plugging in and out. At least on my current phone.
 
I’m Perfectly content with lightning, if they make the transition to USB-C, then I will adapt. But for now, with the AirPods, iPad, iPhone, obviously I have an investment with lightning and third-party lighting accessories. Apple has a _very_ large Monopoly with lightning and it ties the consumer into their ecosystem. But we all know Apple is prone to making changes when we least expect it.
 
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I would prefer USB-C because it would give me more 3rd party options. Proprietary connectors are not good for anyone except Apple’s profits.
 
It makes no odds to me personally. USB-C or Lightning, i'm not too fussed and wouldn't be too surprised if the 2018 iPhone had USB-C, nor would I be that surprised if they stuck with Lightning.
 
I like the idea of USB-C charging but you know some will get the bright idea to use their laptop charger to charge their phone. Not sure how that would turn out. If it works then I am all for uniformity. Imagine, one cord and one charger for all your Apple devices.

I think the other issue is headphones. From what I have read USB-C headphones have had some issues. We are being forced into using wireless by default.
 
Although I'd prefer to keep lightning because I have a bunch of cables etc. it is the other end that I'm most concerned about - hear rumors that Apple will drop the USB-A end that goes into power etc. The "old" USB is what is in cars, hotels, airports and airplanes, etc. changing that end would be real problem for me and for Apple. That is what connects Apple IOS devices to the rest of the world. It has taken so long for places to install the USB so you can plug the end of the cable in vs. a wall pronged plug - it will take longer to change that.

I guess we'll be "able" to buy connectors - gee more connectors than devices.
 
Although I'd prefer to keep lightning because I have a bunch of cables etc. it is the other end that I'm most concerned about - hear rumors that Apple will drop the USB-A end that goes into power etc. The "old" USB is what is in cars, hotels, airports and airplanes, etc. changing that end would be real problem for me and for Apple. That is what connects Apple IOS devices to the rest of the world. It has taken so long for places to install the USB so you can plug the end of the cable in vs. a wall pronged plug - it will take longer to change that.

I guess we'll be "able" to buy connectors - gee more connectors than devices.

But we can’t keep old technology around just for that. I believe USB mostly came around about 16 years ago. At some point, we need to move towards the new. Yes, some may be inconvenienced, but after a while once everyone gets new cables we can all get on the new standard.

That’s interesting about the USBC headphones having issues. My Lightning ones have had no issues at all. I’d just hate to buy more expensive ones if Apple does move away from it.
 
I was almost going to order a new Lightning cable for my iPhone 8 and realized a new iPhone model is coming out I a few months that could possibly have a USB-C connection.

Is this something others are wanting? What’s the real benefit of Lightning over USB-C?

A few years ago I was hoping USB-C would take the Lightning connector, but that didn’t happen.

If it does happen, I’m going full in with chargers, cables, maybe even a MacBook.
Apple’s laptops ar already USB-C only. And apple is moving to wireless connectivity as primary on the phones. Wireless charging will be faster with new phones. So delete lightening and standardise on USB-C is likely where they go with the new iPhones now.
 
I like the idea of USB-C charging but you know some will get the bright idea to use their laptop charger to charge their phone. Not sure how that would turn out. If it works then I am all for uniformity. Imagine, one cord and one charger for all your Apple devices.

I think the other issue is headphones. From what I have read USB-C headphones have had some issues. We are being forced into using wireless by default.

Using a laptop charger is not a problem as long as it adheres to the USB Power Delivery standard (as any type-c equipped device should) there will be a negotiation for a lower voltage acceptable to the phone, most likely 5V. At 5V the standard allows for up to 15 watts (3A@12V), or up to 27 watts at 9V (3A@9V) in addition to the 15V (up to 45 W, 3A) and 20V (up to 100 W, 5A) possible. All USB-C power supplies must be able to handle 5V.

Going the other direction will not work. The power supply must be able to handle the voltage required and laptops won't run on 5V or 9V. Then simply nothing will happen. It's designed to be safe in any combination, working or not.

There have been some problems with cables (mostly cheap ones from manufacturers who doesn't really care) that interferes with the negotiation, leaving the power supply at a higher voltage which would be able to damage a device. The advice is the same as usual: buy from reputable manufacturers that stand behind the quality of their product.


Headphones shouldn't be an issue if everyone could just follow the standard. I don't know why this always has to be so difficult.
 
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No, but i'd like Apple to ship a usb-c charger of decent wattage with a usb-c to lightning port cable. Its baffling that their laptops are all usb-c only and yet they ship an a cable in the box with their new phones.
 
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