Does anybody think iOS 9 will help negate the need for more RAM?

[Paradoxally]

Don't compare a jailbroken phone on iOS 7.1.2 with a stock one on 8.3. You should only compare jailbreakable versions and models. My iOS 8.1.2 jailbreak was just as useful as 7.1.2, using an iPhone 5 (so, not even a top of the line phone in 2015), bar bitesms.

The best thing would have to be jailbroken 8.3, but unfortunately there is no jailbreak out for that version (yet).

iOS 8 is far from a disaster. I would not trade a jailbroken 8.1.2 device for 7.1.2, mostly because Swiftkey has saved me a ton of typing. It makes Apple stock keyboard seem like something from 2007. That's something Android users always had an advantage at until iOS 8. The only annoying thing is that sometimes the keyboard crashes and defaults back to the stock one, but that happens probably once a day with 8.3.

Also, the underlying APIs have been much improved. As a user, I can see why many people wouldn't care for that, but as a developer, I definitely appreciate the new APIs.

 

[spacemnspiff]

Well, I still think that it's a RAM issue. Yes the three models I used to prove my point are all different but they are surely much the same thing and running much the same software. Apple haven't fixed this reloading issue in knocking on for 18 months with software updates so I am led to assume that it is simply a matter of insufficient RAM. As I cannot prove that by showing you a 6+ with 2GB of RAM and an iPad Air 2 with 1GB of RAM then you can of course consider my claims to be anecdotal.

Well then, you have the right to your opinion, however un-scientific it might be. But I would not claim the opinions to be facts. But that's me.

 

[C DM]

Well then, you have the right to your opinion, however un-scientific it might be. But I would not claim the opinions to be facts. But that's me.

Well, in that view, the opposite stance of that would fall under the same "in-scientific" and "opinion" labels.

 

[sunking101]

Well then, you have the right to your opinion, however un-scientific it might be. But I would not claim the opinions to be facts. But that's me.

The proof is in the pudding. Does 1GB of RAM even sound sufficient to you? These 64Bit devices use more RAM than their earlier 32Bit brethren and yet they come specced with the same amount. There is nothing 'un-scientific' about 64Bit devices using more RAM than 32Bit devices. That is a fact. So whichever way you care to look at it, the iPhone 6 has less available RAM than the iPhone 5. Is that a scenario you feel comfortable with?

My latest 64GB iPhone 6+ cost me £699. My old 32GB iPhone 5 was probably worth £200 tops on the used market (I gave it to my father) and yet the older phone was much, much better at multitasking. This is a crucial feature for a smartphone and of WAY more importance to me personally than Apple Pay, Touch ID, widgets and third party keyboards etc. This is a RAM issue. People have been saying since the 5S that Apple would cure the reloading problem with a software update but they haven't done and quite frankly they can't do. 1GB of RAM should have died with the iPhone 5. The 5S needed 1.5 - 2GB, and the iPhone 6 should have 2 - 3GB.

 

[Jsameds]

If an app is causing problems for me, the best solution is to either live with the problem or find different app. Either way, problem solved.

Complaining here on these forums is NOT going to solve the RAM issues, folks, it's only going to waste your time.. time that would be better spent finding solutions to the problem. I used my time to find workarounds, instead of complaining, so there are no RAM issues for me. Don't expect me to sympathize with you if you're unwilling to use common sense.

Gotta love people's answers the the memory problem in here - basically to find a workaround.

Err hello, we are talking about the most expensive flagship device on the market and you're asking people to find a workaround, even from using the stock apps?!! NO! It should operate as flawlessly as possible (hardware wise), and it's just not doing that.

1GB isn't enough, 2GB is fine. For now at least.

iPhone 6+ has the aforementioned issues, iPad Air 2 doesn't. Guess where the difference in the specs lies....

The RAM!!

 

[spacemnspiff]

The proof is in the pudding. Does 1GB of RAM even sound sufficient to you? These 64Bit devices use more RAM than their earlier 32Bit brethren and yet they come specced with the same amount. There is nothing 'un-scientific' about 64Bit devices using more RAM than 32Bit devices. That is a fact. So whichever way you care to look at it, the iPhone 6 has less available RAM than the iPhone 5. Is that a scenario you feel comfortable with?

My latest 64GB iPhone 6+ cost me £699. My old 32GB iPhone 5 was probably worth £200 tops on the used market (I gave it to my father) and yet the older phone was much, much better at multitasking. This is a crucial feature for a smartphone and of WAY more importance to me personally than Apple Pay, Touch ID, widgets and third party keyboards etc. This is a RAM issue. People have been saying since the 5S that Apple would cure the reloading problem with a software update but they haven't done and quite frankly they can't do. 1GB of RAM should have died with the iPhone 5. The 5S needed 1.5 - 2GB, and the iPhone 6 should have 2 - 3GB.

I understand that 64bit architecture needs more RAM, but what I also dont know is how OS handles the RAM. For example, does OS limit certain types of allocation to RAM and rest is assigned to paging. Just to repeat what I am seeing is that we don't have enough information to make a stance about less RAM is enough or not.

I don't see why we need to discuss price, the price part doesn't even come into the equation, price is a psychological value assigned to a product that the buyer is willing to bear. Whether the phone cost 10 times than what it did has no relation to the amount of RAM. Just because the price increases doesn't mean RAM capacity is directly tied to the increase.

I see the intent of the point being made, that a phone that costs a certain amount should have some basic hardware specifications. But that doesnt hold water when it comes to Apple because it has full control over OS that drives their custom hardware. Android on the other hand is disconnected from the hardware specs, software has to work on all variations of hardware. Comparing what is standard for Android products to Apple might be ok in the broader sense, but when it comes to specifics its not an even comparison.

 

[sunking101]

I understand that 64bit architecture needs more RAM, but what I also dont know is how OS handles the RAM. For example, does OS limit certain types of allocation to RAM and rest is assigned to paging. Just to repeat what I am seeing is that we don't have enough information to make a stance about less RAM is enough or not.

I don't see why we need to discuss price, the price part doesn't even come into the equation, price is a psychological value assigned to a product that the buyer is willing to bear. Whether the phone cost 10 times than what it did has no relation to the amount of RAM. Just because the price increases doesn't mean RAM capacity is directly tied to the increase.

I see the intent of the point being made, that a phone that costs a certain amount should have some basic hardware specifications. But that doesnt hold water when it comes to Apple because it has full control over OS that drives their custom hardware. Android on the other hand is disconnected from the hardware specs, software has to work on all variations of hardware. Comparing what is standard for Android products to Apple might be ok in the broader sense, but when it comes to specifics its not an even comparison.

Most premium Android phones (which is surely what we should be comparing the iPhone to) have very similar hardware indeed. The same processors etc. So I don't buy into that argument.
Also, if Lollipop is designed to run well on a mid-tier phone with 2GB of RAM, then it goes without saying that it should smoke on the top phones. The bottom line is that whether Apple is in charge of their own hardware & software or not, they don't run properly! They skimp on the RAM so badly that not only can you not multitask (at all really), but the UI even suffers at times due to RAM starvation.

 

[ardchoille50]

Gotta love people's answers the the memory problem in here - basically to find a workaround.

Err hello, we are talking about the most expensive flagship device on the market and you're asking people to find a workaround, even from using the stock apps?!! NO! It should operate as flawlessly as possible (hardware wise), and it's just not doing that.

1GB isn't enough, 2GB is fine. For now at least.

iPhone 6+ has the aforementioned issues, iPad Air 2 doesn't. Guess where the difference in the specs lies....

The RAM!!

You know what I think? I think the complainers don't really want the problem solved. I think they are hurt that they paid all of this money for a flagship iPhone and it doesn't completely meet all of their needs all of the time. I think they're unable to accept that they should have done more research before buying the phone and now they're deflecting the blame onto Apple. They like to complain and resolving the problem would remove their ability to do so, so they ignore all efforts to resolve the problem because it's the easiest way out. Just an observation.

Since it appears that nothing is going to change here, I'll leave the thread to you folks. Good day.

 

[C DM]

You know what I think? I think the complainers don't really want the problem solved. I think they are hurt that they paid all of this money for a flagship iPhone and it doesn't completely meet all of their needs all of the time. I think they're unable to accept that they should have done more research before buying the phone and now they're deflecting the blame onto Apple. They like to complain and resolving the problem would remove their ability to do so, so they ignore all efforts to resolve the problem because it's the easiest way out. Just an observation.

Since it appears that nothing is going to change here, I'll leave the thread to you folks. Good day.

Or, on the other hand, those that don't feel like there is an issue, mostly in relation to their own use than anything else, aren't really willing to consider that something should in fact be improved and instead keep on trying to find any kind of technicalities or other things of that sort to somehow justify that, instead of either simply not caring about it (since it doesn't seem to affect them in their perception) or actually admitting that even though it might not matter to them an improvement in something (especially something that hasn't been changed in a few generations of a product while other related things have advanced in practically every generation) is a good thing nonetheless.

 

[sunking101]

You know what I think? I think the complainers don't really want the problem solved. I think they are hurt that they paid all of this money for a flagship iPhone and it doesn't completely meet all of their needs all of the time. I think they're unable to accept that they should have done more research before buying the phone and now they're deflecting the blame onto Apple. They like to complain and resolving the problem would remove their ability to do so, so they ignore all efforts to resolve the problem because it's the easiest way out. Just an observation.

Since it appears that nothing is going to change here, I'll leave the thread to you folks. Good day.

Apple made the product, I didn't. Apple underspecced it and considering it's the most expensive smartphone on the market, I shouldn't have to expect that possibility. Finally, I could multitask on my iPhone 5 so obviously expected to be able to do so on the two generations newer iPhone 6+.

 

[duffman9000]

You know what I think? I think the complainers don't really want the problem solved. I think they are hurt that they paid all of this money for a flagship iPhone and it doesn't completely meet all of their needs all of the time. I think they're unable to accept that they should have done more research before buying the phone and now they're deflecting the blame onto Apple. They like to complain and resolving the problem would remove their ability to do so, so they ignore all efforts to resolve the problem because it's the easiest way out. Just an observation.

Since it appears that nothing is going to change here, I'll leave the thread to you folks. Good day.

So blame the user? I have a solution to your nonsense.

 

[nickchallis92]

My note 3 is almost 2 years old, has 3GB of ram and never, ever reloads anything. I am not exaggerating when I say I have Chrome open (6 tabs), whatsapp, gmail, messaging, twitter and facebook open and the phone is using 1.96/2.77gb of ram.

I can flick back through tabs, then back to the apps and absolutely nothing reloads.

Just think how much battery im saving by not having my phone needlessly pull data from the 4G towers.

If a phone 2 years old can do that which cost less than the equivalent iPhone at launch, why can't the most expensive phone on the market do it now?

P.S. This "lollipop needs lots of ram to run properly" argument is boring and a total lie.

 

[gsmornot]

I admit to not reading all the posts prior but I get the idea of the discussion so I will add my two bits.

A device with an excess of RAM and poor code will not perform any better than a device with a lack of RAM and good code. The iPhone (my 6 Plus) does well with the single gig of RAM but you can see in the way it refreshes at times its ready for that to change. My iPad Air 2 is ahead of my phone in the overall experience and day-to-day use. I'm not disappointed at all with my phone but I feel like another gig of RAM would really make a difference in the performance. Not because its terrible now but because the software is ready to make use of the addition. The iPad shows that and Apple shows that with split screen multitasking only being available on a single device in the lineup.

 

[unobtainium]

Opening up multiple tabs in Safari and running multiple apps at once is not something I ever do. I use my phone like a phone, not a desktop and therefore have no problems nor any need for more ram.

It's useful to have multiple tabs open. It's unnecessarily restrictive to limit yourself to one or two tabs. Often, multiple tabs are useful because I want to read something later, or keep it open for quick reference, etc. I don't understand your implication that I am therefore "not using my iPhone like a phone." You're right in that I'm not using it like an old Motorola flip phone, but presumably you aren't either. If you were, wouldn't an iPhone be a waste of money? It is obviously intended to be much more than a simple phone.