General Does being able to JB an iPhone hurt android?

[AppleDeviceUser]

Yes, the ability to jailbreak does make android lose some customers. The iPhone will always stay on top jailbreak or not though. Android will stay right up there for a while but I have a feeling in about 10 years there will be only iPhone, that's it.

 

[bmac4]

I've had multiple iPhones and Android phones and I'm currently on the iPhone 5. Some of the things that I did miss from Android (custom launchers, better sms, quick toggles, widgets, etc) are now available to me via jailbreak. Does having a jailbroken iPhone stop me from going back to Android? No. Will it delay it a bit? Probably.

That is how I feel. The jailbreak has just kept me around a little longer.

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Yes, the ability to jailbreak does make android lose some customers. The iPhone will always stay on top jailbreak or not though. Android will stay right up there for a while but I have a feeling in about 10 years there will be only iPhone, that's it.

You think the iphone will be the only smartphone around in 10 years? I am not so sure about that.

 

[roxxette]

Sadly you just cant stay on the same ver. of ios anymore the new trend for a while is apps requesting mandatory update of the os in order to work; example: whatsapp .

Anyway atm a lot of cheap phones that you can try different systems/os and play around, its no news that jailbreaking have become a pain for the devs working on it.

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Yes, the ability to jailbreak does make android lose some customers. The iPhone will always stay on top jailbreak or not though. Android will stay right up there for a while but I have a feeling in about 10 years there will be only iPhone, that's it.

You need to get a grip plus get real !

 

[Dave.UK]

Yes, the ability to jailbreak does make android lose some customers. The iPhone will always stay on top jailbreak or not though. Android will stay right up there for a while but I have a feeling in about 10 years there will be only iPhone, that's it.

Thats the funniest thing ive heard all day!! You do realise that when iphone launched and for many years after it was number 1?
The tide has changed my friend. iphone is no longer number 1. iphone won nothing at this years mobile oscars, and quite frequently the iphone sits way down the liston the best mobile phone charts behind Samsung and Nexus devices.

Mobile Oscars - http://www.globalmobileawards.com/winners-2013#cat_id19
T3 Mobiles - http://www.t3.com/best-gadgets/smartphones
Stuff - http://www.stuff.tv/top-10s/smartphones

I think if any phone will dissapear in 10 years, it will be the iphone. Its clearly repeating history....remember the days of Nokia and Blackberry?

 

[bmac4]

Thats the funniest thing ive heard all day!! You do realise that when iphone launched and for many years after it was number 1?
The tide has changed my friend. iphone is no longer number 1. iphone won nothing at this years mobile oscars, and quite frequently the iphone sits way down the liston the best mobile phone charts behind Samsung and Nexus devices.

Mobile Oscars - http://www.globalmobileawards.com/winners-2013#cat_id19
T3 Mobiles - http://www.t3.com/best-gadgets/smartphones
Stuff - http://www.stuff.tv/top-10s/smartphones

I think if any phone will dissapear in 10 years, it will be the iphone. Its clearly repeating history....remember the days of Nokia and Blackberry?

I have been trying to say that these forums for the last couple of weeks and nobody listens. Look at what happened to the iphone in 2012. It is very slow but it is dropping. No company can stay on top forever.

 

[cynics]

I think on some level albeit small JB effects Android. We are in a single thread on a tech forum and some people have already stated if/when JB is gone they will be moving on.

 

[jrswizzle]

I have been trying to say that these forums for the last couple of weeks and nobody listens. Look at what happened to the iphone in 2012. It is very slow but it is dropping. No company can stay on top forever.

The iPhone 5 was the most popular smartphone in 2012 and Apple took the top spot away from Samsung in Q4 for the first time since 2008.....

You guys are delusional....Apple is as strong as it has been, you just let the media dictate what you believe.

Both Android and iOS will be around for a while until something comes along to upset the way we use mobile devices. Then each platform will evolve and adapt and the one that doesn't will fail (see BB).

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I think on some level albeit small JB effects Android. We are in a single thread on a tech forum and some people have already stated if/when JB is gone they will be moving on.

Even if EVERY jailbreaker left iOS (which won't happen) Apple would lose roughly 2.3% of its user base.....I'd argue shifts like that happen each time a flagship Android device comes out.....

Only to have a large portion of those switchers come crawling back to iOS when they realize Android isn't for them.....hence the disparity in customer retention numbers between Apple (80%+) and Android (50%ish).

 

[bmac4]

The iPhone 5 was the most popular smartphone in 2012 and Apple took the top spot away from Samsung in Q4 for the first time since 2008.....

You guys are delusional....Apple is as strong as it has been, you just let the media dictate what you believe.

Both Android and iOS will be around for a while until something comes along to upset the way we use mobile devices. Then each platform will evolve and adapt and the one that doesn't will fail (see BB).

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Even if EVERY jailbreaker left iOS (which won't happen) Apple would lose roughly 2.3% of its user base.....I'd argue shifts like that happen each time a flagship Android device comes out.....

Only to have a large portion of those switchers come crawling back to iOS when they realize Android isn't for them.....hence the disparity in customer retention numbers between Apple (80%+) and Android (50%ish).

Oh ok keep telling your self that. Android keeps getting stronger and stronger ever year, and at some point Apple will get passed by android. The galaxy phones are becoming more and more popular each year while the iPhone has not taken a huge gain in a long time. Sure they are selling record number but that is only like 2 million gain (which you said earlier was very very small number)I truly believe this next iPhone which of course will be an iPhone 5s will be Apple lowest launch sales in a long time. People are just getting tired of the same old same old. Do you see how many threads there are in macrumors filled with people asking for something new from Apple? For a lot of people this next iPhone is Apple last chance to change things a great deal before people decide to jump ship. Would you like me to direct you to some of these threads? If Apple tries to destroy jailbreaking for good then that will only hurt Apple even more.

First 3 days of sales for the iPhone 4,4s,and 5

iPhone 4- 1.2 million
iPhone 4S- 4 million
iPhone 5- 5 million

The last big jump was 2 iPhone generations ago. People are getting tired of it they want something new. Apple can break there first weekend sales numbers all they want, but increasing by 1 million is not going to keep up with android increases.

 

[willpower101]

Sadly, I rely on jailbreaking.

I'm grandfathered in on an unlimited data only plan.
I modify my apn.
I use Skype voip for all calls, and google voice for all texts.

And in order to get these to play nice with the OS default behaviors, I have to rely on cydia apps to integrate these into things like clicking the 'call' button on a contact, or the 'reply' button to an sms.

I also like making the default programs change, chrome for the browser, new youtube in place of youtube, new google maps in place of apple maps.

Since there's no way to choose what is default like on android, jailbreaking is a must I'm really considering jumping ship though.

 

[jrswizzle]

Oh ok keep telling your self that. Android keeps getting stronger and stronger ever year, and at some point Apple will get passed by android. The galaxy phones are becoming more and more popular each year while the iPhone has not taken a huge gain in a long time. Sure they are selling record number but that is only like 2 million gain (which you said earlier was very very small number)I truly believe this next iPhone which of course will be an iPhone 5s will be Apple lowest launch sales in a long time. People are just getting tired of the same old same old. Do you see how many threads there are in macrumors filled with people asking for something new from Apple? For a lot of people this next iPhone is Apple last chance to change things a great deal before people decide to jump ship. Would you like me to direct you to some of these threads? If Apple tries to destroy jailbreaking for good then that will only hurt Apple even more.

First 3 days of sales for the iPhone 4,4s,and 5

iPhone 4- 1.2 million
iPhone 4S- 4 million
iPhone 5- 5 million

The last big jump was 2 iPhone generations ago. People are getting tired of it they want something new. Apple can break there first weekend sales numbers all they want, but increasing by 1 million is not going to keep up with android increases.

Lol - I produce actual facts and leave them at that and your response is for me to "keep telling" myself that while you spew a few random numbers out of context and interpret them in a wildly inaccurate way....

There are a number of reasons launch day/weekend numbers plateau - first and foremost - supply constraints. Despite the fact that "people are getting tired of" the iPhone, the iPhone 5 was the most popular smartphone last year - and it was released much later than the GS3 or Note 2.....that's a fact.

I am not stating anything other than this: people still clamor for the iPhone. It's selling in record numbers and outsells any other phone (1-to-1) on the planet year after year - despite coming out much later in the year.

Project all you want - predict Apple's doom. I frankly don't care what you think. I only deal with reality - which is, since 2008 Samsung has sat atop the US mobile phone (repeat ALL mobile phone) marketshare quarter after quarter.....until Q4 2012....when Apple - with only 3 smartphone models - overtook them.

You call me delusional? Pot....meet kettle....

 

[Dave.UK]

Lol - I produce actual facts and leave them at that and your response is for me to "keep telling" myself that while you spew a few random numbers out of context and interpret them in a wildly inaccurate way....

There are a number of reasons launch day/weekend numbers plateau - first and foremost - supply constraints. Despite the fact that "people are getting tired of" the iPhone, the iPhone 5 was the most popular smartphone last year - and it was released much later than the GS3 or Note 2.....that's a fact.

I am not stating anything other than this: people still clamor for the iPhone. It's selling in record numbers and outsells any other phone (1-to-1) on the planet year after year - despite coming out much later in the year.

Project all you want - predict Apple's doom. I frankly don't care what you think. I only deal with reality - which is, since 2008 Samsung has sat atop the US mobile phone (repeat ALL mobile phone) marketshare quarter after quarter.....until Q4 2012....when Apple - with only 3 smartphone models - overtook them.

You call me delusional? Pot....meet kettle....

How come Apple didnt win anything at the Mobile Oscars?

 

[jrswizzle]

How come Apple didnt win anything at the Mobile Oscars?

I don't even know what those are - and frankly, who cares?

If a movie wins a real Oscar, does that mean it is automatically the best movie of the year? Personally I liked Argo, but didn't think it was the absolute best....

Award shows are mostly politics....saying Apple is failing because they didn't win a mobile oscar is pretty ridiculous in the face of the stats I've already mentioned.

Given the choice between the two, I'd say Apple is glad to have the number 1 spot in the US.

 

[Dave.UK]

I don't even know what those are - and frankly, who cares?

If a movie wins a real Oscar, does that mean it is automatically the best movie of the year? Personally I liked Argo, but didn't think it was the absolute best....

Award shows are mostly politics....saying Apple is failing because they didn't win a mobile oscar is pretty ridiculous in the face of the stats I've already mentioned.

Given the choice between the two, I'd say Apple is glad to have the number 1 spot in the US.

Exactly the sort of answer I was expecting.

 

[bmac4]

Lol - I produce actual facts and leave them at that and your response is for me to "keep telling" myself that while you spew a few random numbers out of context and interpret them in a wildly inaccurate way....

There are a number of reasons launch day/weekend numbers plateau - first and foremost - supply constraints. Despite the fact that "people are getting tired of" the iPhone, the iPhone 5 was the most popular smartphone last year - and it was released much later than the GS3 or Note 2.....that's a fact.

I am not stating anything other than this: people still clamor for the iPhone. It's selling in record numbers and outsells any other phone (1-to-1) on the planet year after year - despite coming out much later in the year.

Project all you want - predict Apple's doom. I frankly don't care what you think. I only deal with reality - which is, since 2008 Samsung has sat atop the US mobile phone (repeat ALL mobile phone) marketshare quarter after quarter.....until Q4 2012....when Apple - with only 3 smartphone models - overtook them.

You call me delusional? Pot....meet kettle....

I just gave you fact. That is reality is it not? You said your self 7 million people is not that much in terms of the big picture. How is showing you launch weekend number out of context?

 

[taptic]

Apple already patched the evasion exploit with the new iOS update. I left iPhone because I am fed up with this cat and mouse game with jailbreaking. It will only be harder and harder to get jailbreaks.

Apple needs to make an option to turn on customization That would put jailbreaking out of the game.

 

[bmac4]

You guys are delusional....Apple is as strong as it has been, you just let the media dictate what you believe.

I believe you are the one that is calling people delusional I never once used that term.

 

[jrswizzle]

I just gave you fact. That is reality is it not? You said your self 7 million people is not that much in terms of the big picture. How is showing you launch weekend number out of context?

Because the difference in launch numbers can be attributed to a number of reasons - not simply a lower difference in demand - which is a ridiculous measure anyway.

At some point, Apple is making as many iPhones as it possibly can - therefore the maximum number they can sell in one weekend is fixed....it can't keep going up at the same rate like you seem to insinuate...

Looking at sales over a longer period of time is much more indicative of overall demand as the more phones sold, the more people generally waited even after initial batches were sold out. Which is why I used the overall numbers from 2012 that show the iPhone 5 as the most popular phone as my benchmark.....

AND the fact that in the last 4 years (that's 16 quarters), only ONCE has anyone other than Samsung been on top of the mobile phone marketshare list in the US....and it was Apple....LAST. QUARTER.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this before you get it.....

 

[bmac4]

Because the difference in launch numbers can be attributed to a number of reasons - not simply a lower difference in demand - which is a ridiculous measure anyway.

At some point, Apple is making as many iPhones as it possibly can - therefore the maximum number they can sell in one weekend is fixed....it can't keep going up at the same rate like you seem to insinuate...

Looking at sales over a longer period of time is much more indicative of overall demand as the more phones sold, the more people generally waited even after initial batches were sold out. Which is why I used the overall numbers from 2012 that show the iPhone 5 as the most popular phone as my benchmark.....

AND the fact that in the last 4 years (that's 16 quarters), only ONCE has anyone other than Samsung been on top of the mobile phone marketshare list in the US....and it was Apple....LAST. QUARTER.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this before you get it.....

Well I am not sure how many times I have to tell you that discarding certain figures that don't fit your argument is just ridiculous. Sure there are factors in all those number. Sure Apple can't keep up with demand on launch weekend, but I see no excuse for that. They sold 4 million the year before would you not make way more than that because you expect to grow? There are factors in Apple being number one at the end of 2012 they had 2 phones in 2012 the iPhone 4S and the 5. The iPhone 4S sold for almost the whole year as Apples flagship phone. Then the iphone 5 came in at the end of the year. Samsung had the S3 for almost the whole 2012 year.

Apple can be number one at the end of 2012, but that does not mean they are still as popular as they were. Their numbers against The S3 were way better, so Apple could be dropping in sales and still be number one. You do have a point that they are number one no doubt about it, but you have no idea if they are not selling as many as projected or if they are ahead of last years numbers. Like I said before I am looking to the next iphone for what happens to Apple. Let me know when you find those sales figures for projected to actual sales for iphone 5 ok?

 

[jrswizzle]

Well I am not sure how many times I have to tell you that discarding certain figures that don't fit your argument is just ridiculous. Sure there are factors in all those number. Sure Apple can't keep up with demand on launch weekend, but I see no excuse for that. They sold 4 million the year before would you not make way more than that because you expect to grow? There are factors in Apple being number one at the end of 2012 they had 2 phones in 2012 the iPhone 4S and the 5. The iPhone 4S sold for almost the whole year as Apples flagship phone. Then the iphone 5 came in at the end of the year. Samsung had the S3 for almost the whole 2012 year.

Apple can be number one at the end of 2012, but that does not mean they are still as popular as they were. Their numbers against The S3 were way better, so Apple could be dropping in sales and still be number one. You do have a point that they are number one no doubt about it, but you have no idea if they are not selling as many as projected or if they are ahead of last years numbers. Like I said before I am looking to the next iphone for what happens to Apple. Let me know when you find those sales figures for projected to actual sales for iphone 5 ok?

So let me get this straight....

Apple - widely believed to be on top since 2007 until recently (maybe 2010-2011) takes the top spot from Samsung for the first time since 2008 (which includes time they were supposedly the best) and somehow they are declining? They did something in Q4 no other OEM had done in the last 4 years, including Apple!

I'm not dismissing your facts because they don't fit my argument, but because they aren't a good measure of Apple's popularity/health. Sure they sold 4 million last year, what's to say they can't make more than 5 million given the timetables for ramping up production of a new phone? Perhaps that's the maximum Apple's foundries can produce in the given timeframe....you do realize they can't simply make as many as they want.....there are factors that limit this number, which means they will eventually hit a ceiling - essentially, they test a new iPhone and from the time the iPhone X is approved to the time they start selling it is a finite window and in that window they can only make so many iPhones - maybe 5 million is at their max right now?

And when I say number one in Q4, I'm talking ALL mobile phone sales - not just smartphone - ALL mobile phones. Samsung makes/sells hundreds of models - Apple makes 3. And the fact that the iPhone 5 was the number one smartphone in 2012 after being on the market in the US 4 months LESS than the GS3 should tell you that while Samsung is exploding, phone-for-phone, they still aren't Apple's level sales/popularity-wise yet.....

Which, in my mind, is a testament to just how popular and huge Apple and the iPhone have been.

 

[bmac4]

So let me get this straight....

Apple - widely believed to be on top since 2007 until recently (maybe 2010-2011) takes the top spot from Samsung for the first time since 2008 (which includes time they were supposedly the best) and somehow they are declining? They did something in Q4 no other OEM had done in the last 4 years, including Apple!

I'm not dismissing your facts because they don't fit my argument, but because they aren't a good measure of Apple's popularity/health. Sure they sold 4 million last year, what's to say they can't make more than 5 million given the timetables for ramping up production of a new phone? Perhaps that's the maximum Apple's foundries can produce in the given timeframe....you do realize they can't simply make as many as they want.....there are factors that limit this number, which means they will eventually hit a ceiling - essentially, they test a new iPhone and from the time the iPhone X is approved to the time they start selling it is a finite window and in that window they can only make so many iPhones - maybe 5 million is at their max right now?

And when I say number one in Q4, I'm talking ALL mobile phone sales - not just smartphone - ALL mobile phones. Samsung makes/sells hundreds of models - Apple makes 3. And the fact that the iPhone 5 was the number one smartphone in 2012 after being on the market in the US 4 months LESS than the GS3 should tell you that while Samsung is exploding, phone-for-phone, they still aren't Apple's level sales/popularity-wise yet.....

Which, in my mind, is a testament to just how popular and huge Apple and the iPhone have been.

So could you please show me the numbers were the iphone 5 out sold the S3 in 2012 cause I am pretty sure that is not true at all. Your thing about Samsung selling hundreds of other phones who cares. They really do not sell those phones in any kind of numbers at all. Those dumb phones maybe sell a couple of 100,000 a year. The smartphones are were the numbers are and you know that.

Please please produce a figure that shows me that the iphone 5 is ahead or right with projects. All the articles I have seen are showing Apple price per share is going down. That tells me something is not going just the way Apple planned it. That is reality.

 

[F123D]

Sure, but apple not allowing jailbreaks also helps android.

 

[jrswizzle]

So could you please show me the numbers were the iphone 5 out sold the S3 in 2012 cause I am pretty sure that is not true at all. Your thing about Samsung selling hundreds of other phones who cares. They really do not sell those phones in any kind of numbers at all. Those dumb phones maybe sell a couple of 100,000 a year. The smartphones are were the numbers are and you know that.

Please please produce a figure that shows me that the iphone 5 is ahead or right with projects. All the articles I have seen are showing Apple price per share is going down. That tells me something is not going just the way Apple planned it. That is reality.

(1) The iPhone 5 outsold the Galaxy S3 WORLDWIDE in Q4 with an estimated 27.4 million sold: http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20130227/BUSINESS07/702279987

(2) Add that to the 5 million on launch weekend and you've already surpassed the 30 million mark widley cited for the GS3.

(3) Keep in mind - Apple only releases iPhone sales as a total and Samsung doesn't release sales numbers at all so they are all estimates - but that's really all we have to go on.....

(4)....unless we went on mobile web traffic which shows HUGE leads by iOS devices.

(5) The stock price is simply not a definitive measure of a company's health. Analysts predicted ridiculous sales numbers for the iP5 - numbers that simply weren't possible - not because demand was down - but because Apple physically couldn't make phones faster than they were making them. You have to take ANYTHING an analyst says with a HUGE grain of salt....

(6) Projections were high because Apple famously underprojects (though it seems that would be changing) and analysts over-estimated Apple's supply chain (the number of phones they could make) AND miscalculated based on Apple's historically low projections.....simply, Apple didn't project as low as they used to and analysts didn't know it....

 

[bmac4]

(1) The iPhone 5 outsold the Galaxy S3 WORLDWIDE in Q4 with an estimated 27.4 million sold: http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20130227/BUSINESS07/702279987

(2) Add that to the 5 million on launch weekend and you've already surpassed the 30 million mark widley cited for the GS3.

(3) Keep in mind - Apple only releases iPhone sales as a total and Samsung doesn't release sales numbers at all so they are all estimates - but that's really all we have to go on.....

(4)....unless we went on mobile web traffic which shows HUGE leads by iOS devices.

(5) The stock price is simply not a definitive measure of a company's health. Analysts predicted ridiculous sales numbers for the iP5 - numbers that simply weren't possible - not because demand was down - but because Apple physically couldn't make phones faster than they were making them. You have to take ANYTHING an analyst says with a HUGE grain of salt....

(6) Projections were high because Apple famously underprojects (though it seems that would be changing) and analysts over-estimated Apple's supply chain (the number of phones they could make) AND miscalculated based on Apple's historically low projections.....simply, Apple didn't project as low as they used to and analysts didn't know it....

You did not just say in Q4 in your previous post you said the iphone 5 out sold any other smartphone in 2012. I don't care about Q4 because that was when the iphone 5 was release of course it was higher it was something new.

All Apple fans are all the same. You discount anything that would make Apple look bad. Yes we can go on stock prices. That is what people have been doing for years and you guys had nothing to say about it then. Apple has been low balling all along, and projects from analyst have been hight all along. The stock prices did not drop after the iphone 4 and 4s had been out for an 5 months did they?

 

[jrswizzle]

You did not just say in Q4 in your previous post you said the iphone 5 out sold any other smartphone in 2012. I don't care about Q4 because that was when the iphone 5 was release of course it was higher it was something new.

All Apple fans are all the same. You discount anything that would make Apple look bad. Yes we can go on stock prices. That is what people have been doing for years and you guys had nothing to say about it then. Apple has been low balling all along, and projects from analyst have been hight all along. The stock prices did not drop after the iphone 4 and 4s had been out for an 5 months did they?

Lol, says the guy who didn't even read my entire post....27.4 million in Q4 + 5 million during launch weekend = 32.4 million....which is greater than the estimated 30 million for the GS3 - which had been out 4 months longer - and worldwide had been out almost half a year longer....

EDIT: Wikipedia now has the GS3 at 40 million as of January 14, 2013 - so it is safe to assume the GS3 sold more than 32.5 million in 2012 - looks like that extra 5 months helped them out....

 

[bmac4]

Lol, says the guy who didn't even read my entire post....27.4 million in Q4 + 5 million during launch weekend = 32.4 million....which is greater than the estimated 30 million for the GS3 - which had been out 4 months longer - and worldwide had been out almost half a year longer....

Ok again estimate. Also does the Q4 sales not include launch weekend sales?

Funny you missed the last half of my post.