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Does P2P just SUCK on the Mac?

...noted...

(as I speak for myself...) I do rejoice in the fact that we have a wonderful outlet to buy music on a single to single basis. I don't want to get into too much becuase of the nature of this thread BUT I grew up in an era where I caught the tail end of 45's and the beginnings of CD Singles(which diminished quickly). A perfect example of the Record company's control of what's released and what's not. Due to the fact that 75% of most album releases weren't filled with substance BUT rather "filler material = tax write off". Enough to justify an album. Having one or (if lucky) two tracks fueling sales of albums. Which brings me to the era of P2P, which is the backfire of constantly disappointed people only taking what they like. Also...you ask why there isn't GREAT albums nowadays. Take the average age of the artist themselves(for the most part). No experience in ANYTHING. Songwriting, playing and just life in general. Note, there are exceptions to the rule but far and few inbetween.

Sorry about ranting......just MY option.

Getting back on the topic of P2P.....I've had the most success with "Posioned" but it seems that as everyday passes it get's slower and slower. I also just started using DC but found that alot of servers on the list require you to use DC ++. Which ofcourse is not availalble for Mac. Great.<LOL> I also tried using MLMac but I'm honestly not good with the whole terminal thing. Any advice? Thanks!

~e
 
Re: Yes. P2P does suck on the Mac.

Originally posted by will_henderson
That being said, I think P2P sucks in general. I did Hotline, I occasionaly venture onto Carracho, and I have expiremented with every napster/Kazaa clone out there. Bottom line is, its all a headache.

That being said, might there be a reason this is all so hard? Why is it that the Mac is so easy, but getting music on the Mac isn't. Simple. It's stealing. Whether or not you agree with the law, the fact is its there and it makes it harder to do these things. So do your self a favor. Log onto the iTunes store and rejoice in the fact that we are the only platform to have such a resource. Notice how easy it is. Paying for music doesn't hurt.

-Will
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Face the fact that the majority of p2p users are teenagers or college students. What is the one thing these individuals will most likely lack? Money. Dinero. The ol' greenback. For many paying money for music, albeit a small sum, is still out of the question.

Not all of us are in the financial position to support Apple & their new project.

Sorry.
 
Face the fact that the majority of p2p users are teenagers or college students. What is the one thing these individuals will most likely lack? Money. Dinero. The ol' greenback. For many paying money for music, albeit a small sum, is still out of the question.
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Sorry. I've heard many justifications of pirating music - used many myself, but this one just ain't good. I am a college student, and man, I don't walk into a store and feel justified in taking things becuase of it. Even if I'm really hungry I don't go on an eating spree in the nearest supermarket. If you are in college you have two options - get a side job and afford those precious pieces of plastic, or go out and jam with your friends (or go out an listen to your friends JAM). Chances are if you are in a college - an enviorment where many thousands of dollars are spent each year upholding your intellect and soul - you should have no problem getting your musical appetite filled. Personally, I worked all summer to pay for college and am setting aside a couple hundred for things like the iTunes store. That and my stratocaster is coming with me to school :) .

-will
 
Re: Yes. P2P does suck on the Mac.

Originally posted by will_henderson
Bottom line is, its all a headache.
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Um....No, it isn't. K-lite on PC is the easiest thing in the world to use and install, and it finds hundreds of results for most searches in a snap.
Originally posted by will_henderson
Paying for music doesn't hurt.
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Yes it does, it hurts my wallet. Why pay when I can get it for free?
If there is one store giving things away, why would I go next door to pay for exactly the same thing?
 
If there is one store giving things away, why would I go next door to pay for exactly the same thing?
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Quite simply becuase there is no "store" giving it away. Even if there were, how long do you think it would stay in business. Our entire business infastructure relys on the simple process of paying someone for their time, services and products. My point was that no program that makes it easy to steal will exist for long - for both capital and legal reasons. Therefor, music-downloaders will forever be in a state of strife (though so will the music industry that ruthlessly hunts them down while refusing to embrace the new format). Thus, unless MP3ers unite and overthrow us into a state of communism, the free-loading business (and moral) scheme is obscure. Like I said, if you look, there's plenty of really free music in the world. If you want the commerical stuff though, pay for it.
 
Originally posted by will_henderson
My point was that no program that makes it easy to steal will exist for long - for both capital and legal reasons.
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Right, and that's why KaZaA (origionally Morpheus) has been around for several years now huh?
 
Right, and that's why KaZaA (origionally Morpheus) has been around for several years now huh?
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...and is facing legal threats from the industry all the while? Listen, its a hostile place out there in the business world. No multi-billion dollar industry will sit by and watch things that make it easy for others to cheat them of money. A couple of years may seem like a lot, but in the end it will fair the same as Napster (which, by the way, is being reincarnated by Roxio).

-w
 
Originally posted by will_henderson
...and is facing legal threats from the industry all the while? Listen, its a hostile place out there in the business world. No multi-billion dollar industry will sit by and watch things that make it easy for others to cheat them of money. A couple of years may seem like a lot, but in the end it will fair the same as Napster (which, by the way, is being reincarnated by Roxio).

-w
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Maybe, but no-one (from what I know) has quite figured out exactly who to sue and what for. Sharman Networks has been very clever in the way it has positioned itself globally, where certain elements and sub companies are registered (due to loop holes in different country’s laws), and what part of that main company they are responsible for.
 
There will always be file swapping, whenever one service dies there are 10 new ones popping up.

The record companies will lose the war unless they are allowed to write viruses and put them on P2P networks, ones that ruin hardware. People don't think of P2P as stealing anymore, they tricked themselves into thinking its "Sharing".
 
i like poisioned and accq is ok i guess but poisioned is better mlmac i ok but there are somethings i really dislike abotu it so i dont use it
 
Originally posted by Huked on Fonick
i like poisioned and accq is ok i guess but poisioned is better mlmac i ok but there are somethings i really dislike abotu it so i dont use it
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You mind saying the things you dislike abotu it are?

I can see if they like your idea over theirs.
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
You mind saying the things you dislike abotu it are?

I can see if they like your idea over theirs.
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mlmac creates a space holder for each file even if its not downloaded....... at least it did, now if this file was where i ser my downloads to be it wouldent be a big deal but its burred deep in a part of lib that i could for some reason only get through by using root....also it wasent very stable it gave me alot of errors and crashed, but then again i havent used it in like 2 months cuz poisioned does the same thing seems more refined and i like it alot better..............
 
Originally posted by Huked on Fonick
mlmac creates a space holder for each file even if its not downloaded.......
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I guess this could be implmented, but some people don't like this because it might give the allusion that they *have* the file... or that it just takes up space when not even partially done.
If I download several large files when they are all the same file:
'Mozart - 1'
'Mozart 1'
'Mozart -- 1'
Each is going to take up the space.

at least it did, now if this file was where i ser my downloads to be it wouldent be a big deal but its burred deep in a part of lib that i could for some reason only get through by using root
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I know your name.. but if your using safari check spelling...

The original location was in a '.' folder, which would be invisible, this has now changed to any folder you wish the complete and incomplete downloads to be.

....also it wasent very stable it gave me alot of errors and crashed, but then again i havent used it in like 2 months cuz poisioned does the same thing seems more refined and i like it alot better..............
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I suppose the 'does the same thing' was in refence to mLmac, I suppose it would.

I think the recent version .4 has had great improvements from the original version.
 
Actually P2P on the mac isn't as bad as you'd think. I'm into Japanese animation, and to get most of it, I have to resort to P2P. A lot of it is never licensed or officially subbed, so this is the only channel I can resort to. The program I find most useful is Neo-Modus Direct Connect. As stated before, it has a learning curve, and you need to share a good amount (5 gigs to get to a semi-decent hub), but it get results. Kazaa sucks, even on the PC, and really isn't worth it.
BitTorrent is also good, but I can usually only find new stuff on it, older anime is harder to come by.
There is a beta for the Mac client of Soulseek, which if developed, could provide the Mac with a wonderful source of P2P goodness. In any case, Mac P2P isn't bad, unless all you have experienced is Gnutella or FastTrack based clients :p
 
Re: Does P2P just SUCK on the Mac?

Originally posted by eclipse525
Now...my questions is very simple. Doesn P2P just generally suck on the Mac?
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I use a few of them but you're right- in my opinion, it's nothing like on a PC. Which is one of the reasons I still use my PC: it's a quarantine station for files headed to my Mac.

Squire
 
Re: Re: Does P2P just SUCK on the Mac?

Originally posted by Squire
I use a few of them but you're right- in my opinion, it's nothing like on a PC. Which is one of the reasons I still use my PC: it's a quarantine station for files headed to my Mac.

Squire
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I agree, I just got my PC in 2 days ago, and KaZaa Lite is 10X better than posioned, and 525X better than limewire
 
Re: Re: Re: Does P2P just SUCK on the Mac?

Originally posted by Vlade
I agree, I just got my PC in 2 days ago, and KaZaa Lite is 10X better than posioned, and 525X better than limewire
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Poisoned can only get better with your help, go register on the fourms and tell then what you want.

:)
Or you can tell me and I will pass it along.

Poisoned is not the same As KaZaA because it wasn't meant to me, there are many places to point the finger at, KaZaA for one for not wanting other Applications to use Fast Track, The Plugin guys who allowed them to give us access and a little at Poisoned.
 
Poisoned can only get better with your help, go register on the fourms and tell then what you want.
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It's true....the fact of the matter is, these programmers are doing a kick ass job writing this stuff and they are human and can't be expected to create the perfect P2P. You can only have a good P2P and that developes over time by everyone using it and voicing there concerns. Dropping a decent app like "poisioned" for example because it doesn't get you the results for one reason or another, just isn't fair. The community has to come together and make it better. At the same token the programmers have to be open and keep open a good line of communication with it's users. You just can't put something out there and expect people to use it, when it still has little quirks here and there. When ever you're in the mood to work on it. It's not good for the programmer and it create disgruntal users.

~e
 
mlMac is fine for what I download, never had a problem with it.

Also, I have never heard of a Mac user getting a virus via P2P as opposed to the PC.
 
Originally posted by Squire
Link, anyone?

Squire
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http://www.gottsilla.net/software.php?site=poisoned

Originally posted by Schiffi
mlMac is fine for what I download, never had a problem with it.

Also, I have never heard of a Mac user getting a virus via P2P as opposed to the PC.
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Yeah serious the chance a Mac User downloads anything off FastTrack is small enough, how are you going to target then?
 
Getting Kick OFF!!

So I'm on acouple of Hubs with DC and I whind up getting kicked off. Reason being, I happen to have a rogue file in all the Gigs(about 50g) that they didn't approve of. Now, I'm not allowed access to that Hub. One stupid file!!! Actually, I didn't even know the file was there until they pointed it out. I would think a warning would have been nice. The file is since removed but still not allowed access. Anybody have a similar inccident? Also, does anybody recommend any good Hubs? Mac based if possible. Also, WHO and HOW does a Hub form?

Another thing, I'm finding that a good portion of these Hubs(especially MAC filtered) are Swedish/French. I think? Anybody speak english on these Hubs. Actually, in all fairness, some do but you can't follow the rest of the chats. Oh well.


~e
 
Does anybody us DC and frequent any specific HUBs? I'm fairly new and still trying to find a solid Hub(that won't kick me out!<LOL>...see previous post for joke.). Thanks!


~e
 
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