Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,468
Wales, United Kingdom
I do love the misleading info you present. It is true that Apple does very well on low level commands and cpu cycles, but that isnt helpful when you are doing work that requires multiple cores and a high freq rate.
Additionally, Low level geometry and fill rate metrics are dominated by Imagination Technologies (gl benchmark fyi) . If we look at the simulated game benchmarks though, Apple falls flat on its face.
Apart from a few geeks here does anyone really care if their S4 or iPhone is slower on certain tasks? Most of this stuff wouldn't even generate a conversation over a pub table.
 

TheHateMachine

macrumors 6502a
Sep 18, 2012
846
1,354
No it won't. It will roll out in Korea and make its way to US by end of Q3. That's like saying intel is going to release a new processor and you can't buy it unless you live in the US. No such thing. It's just a variant

Citation needed.

The last word that this was a South Korean launch and the CEO was in talks with other carriers in other countries but it was never stated the US nor it's carriers were one of them. You are operating on a large guess at this point.
 

El3ctronics

macrumors 65816
Mar 30, 2011
1,017
40
NYC
I heard the snapdragon 800 was meant for tablets while the 600 was meant for smartphones. Is that not the case?
 

RightMACatU

macrumors 65816
Jul 12, 2012
1,423
1,132
192.168.1.1
I needed a phone last month; I bought a phones last month (S4); I now have a phone. Tomorrow will be tomorrow. Case closed for me. :D
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
By your logic, NOBODY should get the new laptops with the Haswell CPUs because everyone knows these chips are the "tock" of Intel's developmental cycle and the next "tick" processors will blow these current ones out of the water!!

:rolleyes:

I agree. I'm going to buy a new iMac this weekend. I could careless about Haswell blah blah. As long as it can browse the Internet, check email, etc. I don't need a device that is so fast there aren't programs/apps that can utilize the tech.

Sure it would be nice if you said "I'm gonna wait because I want the fastest so it last me 5 years". But if you are waiting for the latest and greatest then you are not the type of person that hangs onto a device, computer, etc for all that long anyway.

On the flip side I wouldn't buy an iPhone 5 a day before the 5S is released.
 

fredaroony

macrumors 6502a
Aug 1, 2011
670
0
Citation needed.

The last word that this was a South Korean launch and the CEO was in talks with other carriers in other countries but it was never stated the US nor it's carriers were one of them. You are operating on a large guess at this point.

Citation needed?? Jeesh, is this site turning into Appleinsider now.
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
6,753
4,927
I do love the misleading info you present. It is true that Apple does very well on low level commands and cpu cycles, but that isnt helpful when you are doing work that requires multiple cores and a high freq rate.
Additionally, Low level geometry and fill rate metrics are dominated by Imagination Technologies (gl benchmark fyi) . If we look at the simulated game benchmarks though, Apple falls flat on its face.
Image

Image

Image

Image

Basemark X is a new addition to our mobile GPU benchmark suite. There are no low level tests here, just some game simulation tests run at both onscreen (device resolution) and offscreen (1080p, no vsync) settings. The scene complexity is far closer to GLBenchmark 2.7 than the new 3DMark Ice Storm benchmark, so frame rates are pretty low:

Image

Image

Image

You mean cherry pick your results, and posts tests where the iPhone isn't even featured...
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
2,600
37
Yeah im looking forward to these chips. Finally Android will have the CPU power to match with the great phones available. The current duel core Apple cpu is faster then the current quadcore android cpu's but the 800 will soon change that :)

Umm, the snapdragon 600, snapdragon s4 pro, exynos 5250, and tons of other existing cpus already are faster than the a6.
 

skratch77

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2013
1,241
5
You mean cherry pick your results, and posts tests where the iPhone isn't even featured...

Lol that is exactly what you did and I'll ask you again,can you post some CPU test that show apple beating a quad core s4?

You hand picked gl benchmarks that rule on iOS hardware.post up some pi times and some real CPU benchmarks that support your claim.

Even the mighty heavily apple happy coded sun spider web kit browser test now is beaten by a soc not made by Apple
 

torana355

macrumors 68040
Dec 8, 2009
3,633
2,734
Sydney, Australia
Umm, the snapdragon 600, snapdragon s4 pro, exynos 5250, and tons of other existing cpus already are faster than the a6.

In straight benchmarking yes, but in actual use the A6 is quicker. I will have to dig up the article. Don't get me wrong i own a Nexus 4 and love it and would not go back to an iPhone if Apple payed me. :p
 

TacticalDesire

macrumors 68020
Mar 19, 2012
2,286
23
Michigan
Apart from a few geeks here does anyone really care if their S4 or iPhone is slower on certain tasks? Most of this stuff wouldn't even generate a conversation over a pub table.

The VAST majority of people don't even know what's powering their phones. Let alone which one is faster. Most normal people buy their phones and use them for texting, twitter, facebook, games etc. and don't quibble about minor differences on a forum :p
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
2,600
37
In straight benchmarking yes, but in actual use the A6 is quicker. I will have to dig up the article. Don't get me wrong i own a Nexus 4 and love it and would not go back to an iPhone if Apple payed me. :p

Still not true. The iPhone is also slower in browser based tests and also has long drawn out animations that hide loading times. Apple also artificially limits scroll coasting so that only small portion of a page has to be loaded. Try scrolling down a long page quickly on ios. It takes a ton of swipes. On android you can do it in one quick swipe.

The exynos 5250 in the nexus 10 is literally twice as fast as the a6 on the cpu side and is also a dual core.
 

Assault

macrumors 6502a
Mar 19, 2013
513
0
in the taint
You mean cherry pick your results, and posts tests where the iPhone isn't even featured...

Uhh, this is from the brand new testing done by Anandtech on the S800. They include all the latest results for phones and tablets. I included all their results for SoC cpu/gpu of all manufacturers. If Apple isn't on an image it is because they didn't make the cut or can't meet the testing criteria. If I cherry picked, why would I post results where Apple wwonder s? That makes no sense, unless you are so blinded you refuse to believe anything is actually better than Apple? And you wonder why Apple has a reputation of having a cult following?
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
6,753
4,927
If I cherry picked, why would I post results where Apple wwonder s? That makes no sense, unless you are so blinded you refuse to believe anything is actually better than Apple? And you wonder why Apple has a reputation of having a cult following?

If you weren't cherry picking you would have posted the source rather than linking images, some of which aren't even relevant to the iPhone.

For those that like to read: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7082/...-preview-qualcomm-mobile-development-tablet/2

The downer is this is only a reference design, not an actual product, so take the results with a grain of salt.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,185
992
Las Vegas, NV
oplix17458512 said:
[qoute] Also you can avoid reality all you want saying that there's no point waiting but I can tell you one of the main disadvantages of android at the moment is long charge times. Snapdragon 800 charges phones 75% faster than snapdragon 600

Who cares. I charge my phone when I'm sleeping.
 
Last edited:

whoknows87

macrumors 6502a
Aug 8, 2012
676
31
S.Florida
Quad, Octa, Decacores... they sound cool eh? it's a cellular phone after all meant to make/recieve calls, browse the web and download apps... what tasks require 'SnapDragon', now and soon enough we might hear Spinosaurus, tyrannosaurus rex etc you get the picture ... if you need such a heavy duty mobile device shouldn't you look for a tablet and if you are serious gamer head over to alienware .. I just want a good looking mobile device that runs smooth, gives good battery life , ability to download apps and well built :)
 

torana355

macrumors 68040
Dec 8, 2009
3,633
2,734
Sydney, Australia
Quad, Octa, Decacores... they sound cool eh? it's a cellular phone after all meant to make/recieve calls, browse the web and download apps... what tasks require 'SnapDragon', now and soon enough we might hear Spinosaurus, tyrannosaurus rex etc you get the picture ... if you need such a heavy duty mobile device shouldn't you look for a tablet and if you are serious gamer head over to alienware .. I just want a good looking mobile device that runs smooth, gives good battery life , ability to download apps and well built :)

Its what happens, technology evolves and does so very quickly. In 10 years time we will look back at the current gen of phones and wonder how the hell we ever got buy with them. If everyone had your train of thought we would still have massive Nokia bricks in our pockets.
 

ChrisTX

macrumors 68030
Dec 30, 2009
2,686
54
Texas
Umm, the snapdragon 600, snapdragon s4 pro, exynos 5250, and tons of other existing cpus already are faster than the a6.

And while on paper this might be true, my S4 still experienced lag out of the box that my iPhone NEVER experienced. As an Android user for the past year having owned several high end Android devices. I've come to realize that there's just no optimization with hardware, and software on Android like there is with the iPhone. Sure the trade off with the iPhone is that the screen might not be MASSIVE, but at least it "just works", and gets the job done without stutter.
 

Assault

macrumors 6502a
Mar 19, 2013
513
0
in the taint
And while on paper this might be true, my S4 still experienced lag out of the box that my iPhone NEVER experienced. As an Android user for the past year having owned several high end Android devices. I've come to realize that there's just no optimization with hardware, and software on Android like there is with the iPhone. Sure the trade off with the iPhone is that the screen might not be MASSIVE, but at least it "just works", and gets the job done without stutter.

S4 "out of the box" is not using pure Android, but that bloated crap UI Samsung uses, and that is why there is lag. Has little to do with Android and almost all to do with the Touchwiz UI. The iPhone comes with pure iOS, so not fair to really compare the two.
I have my S3 running Task650's ROM and it is just a pure joy to use, with no lag and no stutter and very, very fast. But that is what happens when you have an optimized UI. I hated using Touchwiz, but thankfully Android has such a large developer community to create ROMs and Kernels for specific devices on specific carriers.
With the "Nexus" version of the S4 being released tomorrow, or buying the S4 Active (also running pure Android) it will be more akin to an experience like iOS, on an iPhone, "out of the box". (Although every iDevice I have ever owned has had lag and stutter of some degree.)

----------

If you weren't cherry picking you would have posted the source rather than linking images, some of which aren't even relevant to the iPhone.

For those that like to read: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7082/...-preview-qualcomm-mobile-development-tablet/2

The downer is this is only a reference design, not an actual product, so take the results with a grain of salt.

Anyone can get the source by clicking on the image. Look below for a screenshot of me clicking on one of the images I posted. It clearly shows the website/article it came from.) I'm not sure why you think I am trying to "hide" anything? I posted images from the article to show the results, which people prefer over clicking a link to go find them. Not sure why this upsets you, other than it shows Apple devices slower than Android devices in most of the testing?
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_2013-06-20-19-35-43.png
    Screenshot_2013-06-20-19-35-43.png
    81.5 KB · Views: 88

ChrisTX

macrumors 68030
Dec 30, 2009
2,686
54
Texas
S4 "out of the box" is not using pure Android, but that bloated crap UI Samsung uses, and that is why there is lag. Has little to do with Android and almost all to do with the Touchwiz UI. The iPhone comes with pure iOS, so not fair to really compare the two.

I have my S3 running Task650's ROM and it is just a pure joy to use, with no lag and no stutter and very, very fast. But that is what happens when you have an optimized UI. I hated using Touchwiz, but thankfully Android has such a large developer community to create ROMs and Kernels for specific devices on specific carriers.

With the "Nexus" version of the S4 being released tomorrow, or buying the S4 Active (also running pure Android) it will be more akin to an experience like iOS, on an iPhone, "out of the box". (Although every iDevice I have ever owned has had lag and stutter of some degree.)


I own a Nexus 4, but without LTE it just isn't an option for me. The S3 has been tolerable, but am looking to go back to the iPhone in the fall unless the Note 3 can blow me away. Also, I'm pretty sure the Activ has Touchwiz. I was considering the Google Edition S4, but decided to hold off to see what the Note 3, and the iPhone 5S brings.
 

maxosx

macrumors 68020
Dec 13, 2012
2,385
1
Southern California
I Bothered...

Yes indeed, I "bothered" and bought a Galaxy S4. It's great in real life day to day usage.

It's a better upgrade over my S3, than most of the "bloggers, reviewers, and experts" give Samsung credit for.

But then again we all know how trendy it is to bash Samsung. So I'll enjoy it for the 6 more days it will be current.

Let's not forget there is the biggerbetterfasterneatersmoother model due soon :D

Ah the fun of chasing tech...
 

Assault

macrumors 6502a
Mar 19, 2013
513
0
in the taint
I own a Nexus 4, but without LTE it just isn't an option for me. The S3 has been tolerable, but am looking to go back to the iPhone in the fall unless the Note 3 can blow me away. Also, I'm pretty sure the Activ has Touchwiz. I was considering the Google Edition S4, but decided to hold off to see what the Note 3, and the iPhone 5S brings.

Oops, you are correct. The Active is using Touchwiz. When I saw the announcement today, they simply stated Android 4.2 (which I mistook as pure Android.) My bad.

And you are in the same spot I am. While I won't buy an iPhone, if the Note3 has the new Snapdragon 800, an HD 1080p screen, 4gb of RAM and comes with 128gb of internal storage, I'll be reordering it. (The 4gb of RAM is hopeful wishing, I admit, but the rest should be a given.)
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.