Downgrade from iOS11

[Richard8655]

Gadgets can’t be looked at as investments though because their value will never increase once you’ve bought them. It’s more like, are you able to let go the amount without having a second thought? If the features are worth your money, then you buy it.

That’s why I mentioned usage. In my example, I need an iPad but don’t need to have pro specific features, that’s why even though I can easily afford a pro I stuck with the basic model.

I’m really referring to investments as overall benefit, whether financial, business, or personal pleasure. You can “invest” in electronics for any of these reasons, but the value of the financial side can vary dramatically. I think a lot of people don’t evaluate the financial impact compared to the benefits they get in return. They often just buy the “best” for that reason alone, and this sort of plays into Apple’s strategy.

 

[johnkree]

I wish I could downgrade my iPad 1 (1 as in first generation)...
Apple literally bricked it with their iOS update...

Now surfing is impossible but Netflix works fine...

But I'm not mad at Apple, the device did its job for several years for me.

 

[DNichter]

I buy, sell, and upgrade every year. It costs me about $200 a year for my main computer. Not ideal, but avoids potential slowdowns on old hardware.

 

[FeliApple]

I buy, sell, and upgrade every year. It costs me about $200 a year for my main computer. Not ideal, but avoids potential slowdowns on old hardware.

Of course, that would be ideal. Just maintain stock iOS version and upgrade it with new iPads. You never miss out on any features and ensure the app compatibility as well.
Of course, a minority can do that. The rest, the only thing we can do is refrain from updating. The device will always work as intended and have optimal performance if we follow that path. Disadvantages of that path are well known, so no need for me to repeat them.

 

[DNichter]

Of course, that would be ideal. Just maintain stock iOS version and upgrade it with new iPads. You never miss out on any features and ensure the app compatibility as well.
Of course, a minority can do that. The rest, the only thing we can do is refrain from updating. The device will always work as intended and have optimal performance if we follow that path. Disadvantages of that path are well known, so no need for me to repeat them.

Sounds like you have options.

 

[Koh Phi Phi]

My iPad Mini 2 also became pretty much useless overnight the moment I updated to iOS 11. It has slowed down the device to a point it is just not comfortable to use.

If Apple decides to render MY device useless without letting me roll back to an older OS, then they don't want my customership. There is no chance I'm going to spend $800 in an iPad Pro, crossing fingers every time a new OS version is available: will this kill my iPad? will I need to spend another $800 tomorrow?

It is MY device - I should have the choice to run whatever version of the OS I like best.

Thanks, but no thanks. I just purchased this for $300 and it FLIES. Very happy with it.

 

[DNichter]

My iPad Mini 2 also became pretty much useless overnight the moment I updated to iOS 11. It has slowed down the device to a point it is just not comfortable to use.

If Apple decides to render MY device useless without letting me roll back to an older OS, then they don't want my customership. There is no chance I'm going to spend $800 in an iPad Pro, crossing fingers every time a new OS version is available: will this kill my iPad? will I need to spend another $800 tomorrow?

It is MY device - I should have the choice to run whatever version of the OS I like best.

Thanks, but no thanks. I just purchased this for $300 and it FLIES. Very happy with it.

I get your point and I think it’s a fair argument to make, but what you bought likely won’t get any updates. If you’re cool with that, why not just keep your iPad on the OS it came with?

 

[Koh Phi Phi]

I get your point and I think it’s a fair argument to make, but what you bought likely won’t get any updates. If you’re cool with that, why not just keep your iPad on the OS it came with?

I wish I could!!!!

Obviously, just like every other folk who got busted by OS11, I couldnt have expected the consequences it'd have on my iPad Mini 2.

The problem is not updating the OS. The problem is Apple not letting you roll back if you're not satisfied with it!

 

[Altis]

I wish I could!!!!

Obviously, just like every other folk who got busted by OS11, I couldnt have expected the consequences it'd have on my iPad Mini 2.

The problem is not updating the OS. The problem is Apple not letting you roll back if you're not satisfied with it!

That would resolve a great many problems and complaints, I think.

 

[DNichter]

I wish I could!!!!

Obviously, just like every other folk who got busted by OS11, I couldnt have expected the consequences it'd have on my iPad Mini 2.

The problem is not updating the OS. The problem is Apple not letting you roll back if you're not satisfied with it!

I agree with the last part. I feel like you and most others here probably know that moving to a new OS could have a negative impact. That’s any OS. Not being able to roll back as far as the OS it came with, I don’t get.

 

[FeliApple]

I wish I could!!!!

Obviously, just like every other folk who got busted by OS11, I couldnt have expected the consequences it'd have on my iPad Mini 2.

The problem is not updating the OS. The problem is Apple not letting you roll back if you're not satisfied with it!

I agree. We should be able to roll back. But I guess that works as a lesson. Updating my iPad 4 to iOS 7 brought nothing but lags and crashes. Don't update anymore. I have no device on iOS 11 and instructed my family not to update either. My iPad Pro 9.7 is on iOS 9, as is my previous 6s given to a family member. My iPhone 7+ is on iOS 10, and my previous 5s (also given to a family member) is on iOS 8 (came on it due to buying late.) My iPod Touch 5G is on iOS 6. They all work flawlessly. Currently, this is the only way.

 

[Richard8655]

I agree with the above. If you plan to keep your iPad as long as possible and want it to function reasonably, put a stop to release upgrades. Accept updates within whatever release you want to stay on, but at some point refuse to upgrade to the next release.

I decided to stay on IOS 11 with my 2017 5th gen iPad. I’m happy with all the features of IOS 11, and don’t need any processor and memory gobbling fancy new features in the next IOS release.

 

[b0fh666]

I wish I could!!!!

Obviously, just like every other folk who got busted by OS11, I couldnt have expected the consequences it'd have on my iPad Mini 2.

The problem is not updating the OS. The problem is Apple not letting you roll back if you're not satisfied with it!

thats why i’m running the public betas now.

 

[sracer]

I get your point and I think it’s a fair argument to make, but what you bought likely won’t get any updates. If you’re cool with that, why not just keep your iPad on the OS it came with?

Staying with the OS that the iPad came with is often not feasible beyond the 1 year mark. Setting aside the constant pop-up reminders that an update to iOS is available, it's about the apps. When a new version of iOS is released, active app developers update their apps to require the latest version even if their app does not take advantage of exclusive features to that latest version of iOS.

The issue is aggravated if one uses cross-platform software like iWork. I would love to meet the person who uses iWork every day is able to stay at a prior version of iWork for mac and iOS... and can do that and maintain their sanity for more than a few weeks. iWork for macOS prompts the user each and every time the app is opened that a newer version is available (with no way to disable that).

My iPad Mini 2 also became pretty much useless overnight the moment I updated to iOS 11. It has slowed down the device to a point it is just not comfortable to use.

If Apple decides to render MY device useless without letting me roll back to an older OS, then they don't want my customership. There is no chance I'm going to spend $800 in an iPad Pro, crossing fingers every time a new OS version is available: will this kill my iPad? will I need to spend another $800 tomorrow?

It is MY device - I should have the choice to run whatever version of the OS I like best.

Thanks, but no thanks. I just purchased this for $300 and it FLIES. Very happy with it.

Congrats! That is the proper response to dissatisfaction. Find something that does satisfy. I purchased THIS for $270 and I'm having a blast. Keyboard and Pen included?! BAM! LOL

 

[FeliApple]

Staying with the OS that the iPad came with is often not feasible beyond the 1 year mark. Setting aside the constant pop-up reminders that an update to iOS is available, it's about the apps. When a new version of iOS is released, active app developers update their apps to require the latest version even if their app does not take advantage of exclusive features to that latest version of iOS.

The issue is aggravated if one uses cross-platform software like iWork. I would love to meet the person who uses iWork every day is able to stay at a prior version of iWork for mac and iOS... and can do that and maintain their sanity for more than a few weeks. iWork for macOS prompts the user each and every time the app is opened that a newer version is available (with no way to disable that).

I used iWork on iOS 7 until last year with my iPad 4 before I got the Pro. The only problem I had, is that if I had to share some document with a friend on an iPad Mini 1 on iOS 9 I couldn't open his documents. Used by myself and without sharing, iWork was flawless. But I'll grant you that one, because of the sharing issues.
I then got the iPad Pro 9.7 on iOS 9 and I continue to use it flawlessly.
I do agree - and I have said it - that app compatibility issues are quite annoying. I used my iPad 4 on iOS 7 until just before iOS 10 launched and I was beginning to encounter issues.
I have my 9.7 Pro on iOS 9 and have downloaded everything I need for now. I'll MAKE it work. I have an iPod Touch 5G on iOS 6 that works like new. I'm not giving up that. Granted, Safari is a bit slower than the 5G on iOS 9 when I tried it to load Apple's website - I don't use it for that so I don't really care - but OS-wise, it's flawless. And fast. Far faster than a 5G on iOS 9 in every other part, I compared them directly.
I don't have a 9.7 Pro - nor does anyone I know - on iOS 11 to compare, but I'd be willing to say without trying it that mine is faster OS-wise. It was like that with every other device left on older versions. iPhone 6s on iOS 9, faster and with better battery life than a 6s on iOS 11.
To conclude there are drawbacks - and fairly annoying ones - but performance gains are undeniable.

 

[ackmondual]

Any electronic product is really use and throw. I think people should start looking at them the same way.

I didn't notice this at first, but I've been doing that for years now. When I could no longer get a phone subsidized for $200*, I just got a used LG G4 for $220. My insurance for that is "it was so affordable, if something happens to it, I can just buy a new one out of pocket". Shockingly, my desktop PC is still going strong, so while I won't pay the absolute cheapest for electronics, I won't go crazy either.


* People keep pointing out that they tack on extras. I've compared my T-Mobile bills from before I got my first smartphone vs. afterwards. The only difference is an extra $20 a month which is a data plan I added. They didn't force me to add some overkill, $50/mo data plan, or add other "smartphone fees".

Then I want Android pricing.

Not spending $600-$1000 to throw an iPad away two years later.

Why not both? I bought my 128 GB Ipad Air (no cell) for $400 a couple years back. Half off a new one!
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I agree with the last part. I feel like you and most others here probably know that moving to a new OS could have a negative impact. That’s any OS. Not being able to roll back as far as the OS it came with, I don’t get.

Ironically enough, Apple getting occasional updates used to be an asset, is not considered a liability!

 

[DNichter]

I didn't notice this at first, but I've been doing that for years now. When I could no longer get a phone subsidized for $200*, I just got a used LG G4 for $220. My insurance for that is "it was so affordable, if something happens to it, I can just buy a new one out of pocket". Shockingly, my desktop PC is still going strong, so while I won't pay the absolute cheapest for electronics, I won't go crazy either.


* People keep pointing out that they tack on extras. I've compared my T-Mobile bills from before I got my first smartphone vs. afterwards. The only difference is an extra $20 a month which is a data plan I added. They didn't force me to add some overkill, $50/mo data plan, or add other "smartphone fees".




Why not both? I bought my 128 GB Ipad Air (no cell) for $400 a couple years back. Half off a new one!
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Ironically enough, Apple getting occasional updates used to be an asset, is not considered a liability!

I still think it is. I think we forget how things used to be too often. I remember upgrading my early iPhones and having major useability issues. Now, I don't have anything like that. iOS 11 has been super smooth for me. I can't explain it.

 

[Atomic1977]

iOS 11 works quite well on my iPad mini 2. It may be slower but it still works. Just don’t put too much stuff on it.