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thislsmadness

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I don’t think people understand the majority of interactive content in the dynamic island is literally just iOS 16 live events or whatever they’re called. They are dynamic live notifications that ordinarily sit in your notification tray so if you don’t want to use the Island you can just swipe down your notification tray instead.

The dynamic island just gives you a convenient way to access those live events which is why I wasn’t blown away by it yesterday: we’ve already seen the functionality at WWDC this year!

Exactly... people are acting like dynamic island is a ui element that will require persistent interaction. Its primary there as a dynamic HUD with some basic quick controls/app switching capability. Its primary function is to track information.

If you have Donald Trump hands and you're juggling a baby and a birthday cake in the other... then you can just use the normal app switcher, which will still work just fine.
 

Andrew73875

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Meh, touch bar for iPhone honestly. Half the features probably won't even work with Apple stuff on arrival and 3rd parties may or may not even bother or simply add redundant features into the space. It's not going to add anything game changing but may make accessing somethings a little more convenient. I wonder if there is a way to turn it off.
Exactly. Touch Bar also had a wow effect. Many felt that it made "boring" Macs more interesting. But it wasn't that useful after all. It duplicated controls that you already had. And it also was limited to Pro models (just like the dynamic island).

And it had a very fancy introduction video

 

thislsmadness

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Exactly. Touch Bar also had a wow effect. Many felt that it made "boring" Macs more interesting. But it wasn't that useful after all. It duplicated controls that you already had. And it also was limited to Pro models (just like the dynamic island).

And it had a very fancy introduction video


You left out the real reason everyone hated the touch bar -- because it replaced far more useful function keys with with a fancy bar that offered zero advantage.

Meanwhile, the Dynamic island is replacing a notch that people have been whining about for 4 years, it doesn't take anything away from an iPhone the way the touchbar quite literally *destroyed* the workflow for professionals buying high end Macbooks. The Dynamic Island has way more potential than the touchbar ever did.
At the very least, it'll allow you to view more HUD information than currently possible in iOS. Plenty of features are introduced exclusively to the Pro Phones first, so I'm not sure how thats much of a point.
 

Sheepish-Lord

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You left out the real reason everyone hated the touch bar -- because it replaced far more useful function keys with with a fancy bar that offered zero advantage.

Meanwhile, the Dynamic island is replacing a notch that people have been whining about for 4 years, it doesn't take anything away from an iPhone the way the touchbar quite literally *destroyed* the workflow for professionals buying high end Macbooks. The Dynamic Island has way more potential than the touchbar ever did.
At the very least, it'll allow you to view more HUD information than currently possible in iOS. Plenty of features are introduced exclusively to the Pro Phones first, so I'm not sure how thats much of a point.
Agree about the touch bar but does it really replace the notch? From the videos and literal name of it, the dynamic aspect means it has the ability to make it even bigger than the static notch and depending on how often it changes size could be an annoyance to some. People will get used to it obviously but IMO it's just another UI element to break or have software issues possibly becoming a gimmick.
 

Hammerd

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On the Pro Max maybe so, but not true for the regular Pro.

It wasn't that long ago you had to click that area of the screen when using safari. No-one complained then, so why now?
And a bunch here criticized the bottom URL bar. Now we can all agree it’s brilliant design
 
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Andrew73875

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And a bunch here criticized the bottom URL bar. Now we can all agree it’s brilliant design
The bottom URL bar is good on large screen models (iPhone 14, 14 pro etc), but the top URL bar is more convenient for SE models. So, in the end they left it up to the user to decide which one to select. I think this is the best decision.
 
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Nozuka

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If you only rarely use your phone onehanded, you can just use reachability. I'm sure this will continue to work.

If you want it all the time, the Mini is best.
 

thislsmadness

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Agree about the touch bar but does it really replace the notch? From the videos and literal name of it, the dynamic aspect means it has the ability to make it even bigger than the static notch and depending on how often it changes size could be an annoyance to some. People will get used to it obviously but IMO it's just another UI element to break or have software issues possibly becoming a gimmick.

It should almost never take up more room than the current notch. The times we see the DI expanding in the trailer, its always because its showing a notification or responding to user interaction. For instance, when you get a phone call the DI expands so you can accept/reject the call... with the static notch you get the same notification but it appears below the notch and obscures a lot more of the screen than the DI version will.
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This is also true for airpods, faceID, maps, and all the DI notifications we've seen so far. From what we've seen, the only other time it'll expand is when you deliberately hold down on it to access quick controls.
 

Turtle353

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I admit I thought it was pretty dumb. However, after actually watching the video it is pretty ingenious.

Also, I use my phone one-handed most of the time. I have gotten pretty good at the phone walk or hand shift to reach the upper section. My wife used one of those strap cases which is pretty cool. Maybe if combined with a leather case is give it a try.
 

Super Xander

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Impossible to know until people get their hands on it, but can you still "pull down" the display (reachability) by swiping? I use that a lot during one-handed use to reach things at the top of the screen. It'll be interesting if the dynamic island slides down as well. If not then reachability won't be much use. But if it does what gets left behind? A second pill?

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Great question. I have made a mockup of how I hope it is handled.

I hope the dynamic island will pull down when using reachability, but the wallpaper could maybe graduate to black in the top so you wouldn’t get any kind of weird double pill layout.

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gorkt

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As someone with small girly hands who hasn't been able to really use a phone with one hand since the 5S, this is not a big deal to me.
 
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Xian Zhu Xuande

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Heaps of operations take place at the top of the iPhone... including some basic swipe down gestures. "Impossible to do with one hand" is a really bizarre statement to make about something people have been doing constantly with one hand, and here most interactions would be taps, and frequently only convenience stand-ins for operations which could be accomplished traditionally through app switching.
 
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Andrew73875

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including some basic swipe down gestures.
The fact that some gestures are already there doesn't make them user friendly though.


Because your thumb goes from here to here. And the bigger screen goes from here to here. It's a dazzling display of common sense. 😉
 

DMG35

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This topic makes no sense.

A. You don't have to use it.

B. Its no different than having to go to the top right corner of the phone to pull down the control center.
 

Diorama

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Not going to waste time reading this thread, but every other way that you interact with music, timers, airdrop etc. has not been removed. All of those still exist.

So it hasn't made anything 'impossible' to do one handed - you have been given extra options and a very useful area for displaying information.
 

Quu

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Just get bigger hands, plastic surgeons can do wonders these days.
 

Xian Zhu Xuande

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The fact that some gestures are already there doesn't make them user friendly though.


Because your thumb goes from here to here. And the bigger screen goes from here to here. It's a dazzling display of common sense. 😉
This is an old problem with large phones. Any interface components at the top of the screen are going to be more challenging to operate. I do not use “Plus” size phones for this reason. The standard “Pro” size screens, I can operate well enough one-handed with average-size hands. It ended up being a reasonable trade-off for me.

If this is a big deal for someone, they should buy the smaller phones. Or explore features like reachability. It’s a shame the market has moved away from flagship development in smaller phone models (but not surprising as that also means less space in the phones for hardware), but thems the breaks.

Always nice, of course, for improved user interface design that supports one-handed use, but I think Apple has done a fairly reasonable job here.

Either way, yeah, it’s still new features which must be located in that area due to the notch location which don’t detract from other operation of the phone, so it seems like barking up the wrong tree.
 
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