E-Mails Push Notifications

[egydarceyes]

I'd like to just say.

Why the heck hasn't this option worked yet? 3.0 OS has been out for quite some time now. My friend called technical support and idiotically she responds to him, "Well, you have to select Fetch in order to get pushed emails.".... "um WHAT?"

Why hasn't apple worked this issue yet? The app store is coming out with more apps with push notifications. It's painful to have the Fetch on and it drains the battery of the device.


I really hope the next update will have this figured out.

 

[jav6454]

Push for email has been working since 2.0 with the introduction of MobileMe. The problem is that not all email carriers have push enabled. If you have an Exchange account, push works for you. MobileMe has push working also. Now Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail and others still offer normal "Fetch" mail. Although I hear Google is gearing up Push also.

 

[-aggie-]

Push for email has been working since 2.0 with the introduction of MobileMe. The problem is that not all email carriers have push enabled. If you have an Exchange account, push works for you. MobileMe has push working also. Now Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail and others still offer normal "Fetch" mail. Although I hear Google is gearing up Push also.

I thought yahoo and gmail were push.

 

[jav6454]

I thought yahoo and gmail were push.

I know they were in the process of adding Push, but I never read if they actually finished rolling out the service.

I know Google started working on Push, but since they never made any fanfare when they finish, I don't know if it's completely rolled out. I might have to Google this one....

 

[rhett7660]

Yahoo is push... gmail is not (yet).

 

[rhett7660]

I'd like to just say.

Why the heck hasn't this option worked yet? 3.0 OS has been out for quite some time now. My friend called technical support and idiotically she responds to him, "Well, you have to select Fetch in order to get pushed emails.".... "um WHAT?"

Why hasn't apple worked this issue yet? The app store is coming out with more apps with push notifications. It's painful to have the Fetch on and it drains the battery of the device.


I really hope the next update will have this figured out.

Maybe you should read up on who does what before posting. Always good to self educate one self.

 

[eye.surgeon]

Yahoo has had push email for the iphone since day 1.

 

[egydarceyes]

Only yahoo free email has push, and exchange obviously.

I didn't know about MobileMe enabling all emails to have push. I wouldn't pay for MobileMe anyways, I have no use for it. I'm talking when you click on "Fetch" under settings > mail > Fetch, once you have "push" turned on, I don't see why Fetch is still available. It shouldn't, and I wish they'd make push available to all emails.

 

[egydarceyes]

Ok guys, I know who has push and who hasn't.
I'm mainly pointing out about the push notification feature not working with emails that don't have push.

 

[jav6454]

Only yahoo free email has push, and exchange obviously.

I didn't know about MobileMe enabling all emails to have push. I wouldn't pay for MobileMe anyways, I have no use for it. I'm talking when you click on "Fetch" under settings > mail > Fetch, once you have "push" turned on, I don't see why Fetch is still available. It shouldn't, and I wish they'd make push available to all emails.

Because not all emails are Push enabled. Some of them require Fetch, which is why Fetch is still there. And in the event that Push is down for maintenance, Fetch kicks in.

Ok guys, I know who has push and who hasn't.
I'm mainly pointing out about the push notification feature not working with emails that don't have push.

Push works with two ends, if the email service provider doesn't have it, then Push won't work. Push has to be working on both ends (iPhone-Server).

Trying to rant abut it shows only ignorance of your own device. try doing some homework on what your device can actually do. No I am not being harsh, but as this thread has gone, I am starting to consider you a troll.... knowing who offers push and who doesn't should give your a clear idea of why it works on some emails accounts; a clever mind should have discovered that.

 

[chadrob30]

I'm mainly pointing out about the push notification feature not working with emails that don't have push.

Yea, that's kind of how it works.

 

[egydarceyes]

Because not all emails are Push enabled. Some of them require Fetch, which is why Fetch is still there. And in the event that Push is down for maintenance, Fetch kicks in.




Push works with two ends, if the email service provider doesn't have it, then Push won't work. Push has to be working on both ends (iPhone-Server).

Trying to rant abut it shows only ignorance of your own device. try doing some homework on what your device can actually do. No I am not being harsh, but as this thread has gone, I am starting to consider you a troll.... knowing who offers push and who doesn't should give your a clear idea of why it works on some emails accounts; a clever mind should have discovered that.

I thought the way it worked was since Push has been introduced to the device that it will be able to catch any emails (regardless of them having the capability or push or not) from the servers and send them right over to the iPhone.

I'm not trolling, I just thought it worked differently than the way you described it.

In conclusion, Push Notifications feature didn't introduce any new technology to the emails.

 

[jav6454]

I thought the way it worked was since Push has been introduced to the device that it will be able to catch any emails (regardless of them having the capability or push or not) from the servers and send them right over to the iPhone.

I'm not trolling, I just thought it worked differently than the way you described it.

In conclusion, Push Notifications feature didn't introduce any new technology to the emails.

Push notifications of the iPhone don't mean your email service will send them to you. All it means, that if a email service provider wants to, they can offer you the option (which is a luxury)

It did introduce new technology, it's just no service is around that can take advantage of it yet. (Only MobileMe and ActiveStink Exchange)

 

[egydarceyes]

Push notifications of the iPhone don't mean your email service will send them to you. All it means, that if a email service provider wants to, they can offer you the option (which is a luxury)

It did introduce new technology, it's just no service is around that can take advantage of it yet. (Only MobileMe and ActiveStink Exchange)

I'm saying, previously before the push notification 3.0 OS update I got messages right away on my yahoo email because it's integrated with the email.

I can't get that with gmail or hotmail yet because it's still not integrated with them which is what my "rant" was all about thinking that once push is introduced to my phone, it will automatically push all emails to the phone.

 

[intrepid00]

Yahoo has had push email for the iphone since day 1.

Techinacilly it isn't push. Doesn't Yahoo cheat and just send you a free SMS message telling the iphone to check your box. It isn't based off real push where your phone pings a server telling it to monitor a box and then keep a heartbeat with it.

At least that is how it was at launch I remember.

 

[Randman]

Pushmail app works nicely with MobileMe and Gmail accounts.

 

[bozzykid]

Push notifications of the iPhone don't mean your email service will send them to you. All it means, that if a email service provider wants to, they can offer you the option (which is a luxury)

That is not correct. Push notifications introduced in 3.0 has nothing to do with email. Push notifications are for apps only. There are a few apps that workaround email servers not supporting push by running imap on the apps servers and using the 3.0 push notification. But this isn't what the OP is talking about.

 

[bozzykid]

Techinacilly it isn't push. Doesn't Yahoo cheat and just send you a free SMS message telling the iphone to check your box. It isn't based off real push where your phone pings a server telling it to monitor a box and then keep a heartbeat with it.

At least that is how it was at launch I remember.

No, Yahoo uses a true push mechanism. AFAIK, Yahoo's implementation is a proprietary system just for the iPhone.

 

[jav6454]

That is not correct. Push notifications introduced in 3.0 has nothing to do with email. Push notifications are for apps only. There are a few apps that workaround email servers not supporting push by running imap on the apps servers and using the 3.0 push notification. But this isn't what the OP is talking about.

If you read through the whole thread you'll notice we are talking about Push for email not Push notifications itself.

 

[bozzykid]

If you read through the whole thread you'll notice we are talking about Push for email not Push notifications itself.

Yes, I read it. However, email providers can not provide push to the iPhone except through Exchange (or through a 3rd party app using the 3.0 api). The deal with Yahoo and MobileMe are because of specific implementations that Apple provided. The only way Google will provide GMail push is to either make a deal with Apple or use Exchange (which is possible since they do with their contacts and calendar).

 

[jav6454]

Yes, I read it. However, email providers can not provide push to the iPhone except through Exchange (or through a 3rd party app using the 3.0 api). The deal with Yahoo and MobileMe are because of specific implementations that Apple provided. The only way Google will provide GMail push is to either make a deal with Apple or use Exchange (which is possible since they do with their contacts and calendar).

They are working on it, so it doesn't mean they need Apple's help. They can call Apple up and tell them to enable Push account settings by default in the next OS, that's about it.

 

[bozzykid]

They are working on it, so it doesn't mean they need Apple's help. They can call Apple up and tell them to enable Push account settings by default in the next OS, that's about it.

Huh? Adding an option does nothing and it isnt that simple. Apple has not provided a way for email providers to provide push email to their customers except through Exchange. Like I already said, MobileMe and Yahoo uses propreitary systems. So unless, you know of some type of deal between Apple and Google to support another push solution, I don't see it happening. It's more likely Google will start supporting exchange, and Apple can then upgrade their software to use Exchange by default for Gmail accounts. Otherwise, Apple will have to come up with a 4th push email mechanism for Google to be implemented in the iPhone.

 

[jav6454]

Huh? Adding an option does nothing and it isnt that simple. Apple has not provided a way for email providers to provide push email to their customers except through Exchange. Like I already said, MobileMe and Yahoo uses propreitary systems. So unless, you know of some type of deal between Apple and Google to support another push solution, I don't see it happening. It's more likely Google will start supporting exchange, and Apple can then upgrade their software to use Exchange by default for Gmail accounts. Otherwise, Apple will have to come up with a 4th push email mechanism for Google to be implemented in the iPhone.

Which is why I said all Google needs to do is call up Apple.

 

[bozzykid]

Which is why I said all Google needs to do is call up Apple.

Again, I fail to see your logic. Call up Apple to do what? Google doesn't even support Exchange for email. Unless they support Exchange, Google will have to work with Apple on a push email solution and a simple phone call does not do that.

 

[thelatinist]

egydarceyes: What you need is a basic understanding of how email works. When someone sends you an email, it gets sent to your email server. Normally, when you want to check your email, you run your email client, which connects to the server and downloads any new emails. Your email client can be set up to do this periodically, but the connection is always initiated on the client side (that is, on your computer or phone). There is no way for the client to know when there is a new email on the server, so there may be a delay until the next scheduled check. This is called fetch because your client is fetching the emails from the server.

Push technology is different. When push is enabled, your phone's email client is not periodically querying the server to see if you have new emails. Instead it is continually listening for incoming connections from the mail server. When your server gets a new email message, it opens a connection to your computer/phone and sends you a message notifying you. This is called push email because the server is pushing the emails onto your phone, rather than your phone fetching them from the server.

If you notice, however, this puts the burden on the server to inform you. Your phone being able to receive messages is only part of the story: if your email service has not been programmed to send push notifications, your phone can listen for them all it wants but it won't hear them. Very few email servers offer this function: Exchange servers will push your email to you, and Yahoo! and MobileMe do as well. Gmail does not (yet), and there is nothing Apple could possibly do to the iPhone software to make it happen.