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iEdd

macrumors 68000
Aug 8, 2005
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4
Honesty, is the best thing. Go to the apple store with him and say you don't quite have the money right now, ask if you can get a stick of ram or something for free, or a discount.
OR.. Say you are there for a few days and are saving for an imac. Say to the store if it was $100-$200 cheaper you could buy it now from them, instead of waiting til you go home :D
 

fklehman

macrumors regular
Sep 19, 2005
199
0
Newark, DE
slick316 said:
He's gonna buy it locally, from the Apple Store. He doesn't like credit cards and he has cash from some guns he sold.
So they don't check anything if you order it online? I can see how people can cheat the system, if its been this way for a while, I would assume Apple really doesn't care. If they really didn't want people to exploit the system, they would do something for verification online, or make the discount available at Apple Stores only, not online.

Oh my god, this is sounding shadier by the minute...please DO NOT let your friend use a fake ID and gun money to buy his computer...LOL. He sounds like a survivalist nut--make sure he disables cookies so Big Brother doesn't track him to his Montana cabin...

Edit: I guess it's ok if the six-month grace period applies...still, that dude sounds shady.
 

Chrispy

macrumors 68020
Dec 27, 2004
2,270
524
Indiana
Ok taking this another way, if I had bought an iBook in late July and now I'm considering buying another mac would they keep track of that kind of thing in the retail location. I am considering buying a new one tomorrow and I didn't know if I would be able to buy it. I know technically it is supposed to be June to June but I didn't know if they would notice. Do you guys know if they track purchase dates?
 

SteveMcQ

macrumors member
Sep 5, 2005
56
0
Does the grace period only apply to post-graduates? How about if you're headed back into college the upcoming semester when you're off this semester?
 

CanadaRAM

macrumors G5
SteveMcQ said:
Does the grace period only apply to post-graduates? How about if you're headed back into college the upcoming semester when you're off this semester?

"Higher Education - Faculty and staff of Higher Education institutions; and students attending, or accepted into a Higher Education institution are eligible to purchase. Purchases from the Apple Store for Education Individuals are not for institutional purchase or resale."

So "headed back to school" would be valid if you have some proof you are registered and accepted for the upcoming semester.

Your eligible period woud be to the expiry date of your student card, so if you complete courses in May but the ID card says you are a student 'til December, then you are (that was the case on my ID anyway).

The "grace period" is not in the terms and conditions, it sounds more like a policy of making an exception -- you would need to call Apple and get that from them directly.

Then, here's the chapter and verse if you zoom Apple on the facts:

"AUDIT RIGHTS
Apple routinely audits the purchases of customers at the Apple Store for Education to insure that only eligible purchases have ordered and that all purchase conditions have been observed. Should an audit disclose after delivery (or should Apple otherwise discover) that you were not an eligible purchaser at the time you placed your order or that you have not observed all of the conditions applicable to your purchase, you authorize Apple:

* If you placed your order by credit card, to charge to your credit card the difference between the amount you paid for the delivered goods and the price that Apple charged the general public for the same goods at the Apple Store, in effect on the date that you placed your order; and
* If you paid by a means other than credit card, to (a) invoice you for the difference between the amount that you paid for the delivered goods and the price that Apple charged the general public for the same goods at the Apple Store, payable in fifteen days from the date of the invoice, and (b), should you fail to pay the invoice when due, institute legal action against you in a court of competent jurisdiction, with the prevailing party entitled to attorneys' fees.
* Should Apple not offer to the general public the specific products that you purchased at the Apple Store for education, your credit card will be charged or you will be invoiced the difference between the amount you paid for the delivered goods and the price that Apple charged the general public for the closest equivalent goods at the Apple Store, in effect on the date that you placed your order."
 

gunnz

macrumors member
Oct 24, 2005
38
0
Irvine, CA
CanadaRAM said:
"Higher Education - Faculty and staff of Higher Education institutions; and students attending, or accepted into a Higher Education institution are eligible to purchase. Purchases from the Apple Store for Education Individuals are not for institutional purchase or resale."

So "headed back to school" would be valid if you have some proof you are registered and accepted for the upcoming semester.

Your eligible period woud be to the expiry date of your student card, so if you complete courses in May but the ID card says you are a student 'til December, then you are (that was the case on my ID anyway).

The "grace period" is not in the terms and conditions, it sounds more like a policy of making an exception -- you would need to call Apple and get that from them directly.

Then, here's the chapter and verse if you zoom Apple on the facts:

"AUDIT RIGHTS
Apple routinely audits the purchases of customers at the Apple Store for Education to insure that only eligible purchases have ordered and that all purchase conditions have been observed. Should an audit disclose after delivery (or should Apple otherwise discover) that you were not an eligible purchaser at the time you placed your order or that you have not observed all of the conditions applicable to your purchase, you authorize Apple:

* If you placed your order by credit card, to charge to your credit card the difference between the amount you paid for the delivered goods and the price that Apple charged the general public for the same goods at the Apple Store, in effect on the date that you placed your order; and
* If you paid by a means other than credit card, to (a) invoice you for the difference between the amount that you paid for the delivered goods and the price that Apple charged the general public for the same goods at the Apple Store, payable in fifteen days from the date of the invoice, and (b), should you fail to pay the invoice when due, institute legal action against you in a court of competent jurisdiction, with the prevailing party entitled to attorneys' fees.
* Should Apple not offer to the general public the specific products that you purchased at the Apple Store for education, your credit card will be charged or you will be invoiced the difference between the amount you paid for the delivered goods and the price that Apple charged the general public for the closest equivalent goods at the Apple Store, in effect on the date that you placed your order."
How about you guys just forget about ethics and cheating the system, blah, blah, blah. Buy it from Amazon! It will be at least 100 bucks cheaper than buying directly from either the Apple store, or Apple.com with educational discount.
Example:
Apple.com+educational discount : Ibook 14": 1199 + 90 (approx. tax) + 0 (shipping)= 1289
Same applies to the store.
Amazon: Ibook 14": 1299 +0 (tax) + 0(shipping). Discount $100 for mail in rebate. Final price: 1199.

The only thing is that you can't customize your computer on Amazon. Anyhow, unless you ABSOLUTELY need a bigger harddrive, I do not suggest getting any options. You can't readily return the BTO ones.
 

EricNau

Moderator emeritus
Apr 27, 2005
10,730
287
San Francisco, CA
I used my Uncle's EDU discount (he works at UCSD), and I'm in High School. I ordered by phone, they guy I was talking to said it was "no problem." I don't feel like I was cheating the system because my Unc is only allowed 1 discounted computer per year, and he decided to give it to me. If Apple hadn't let me, he would have bought it, and then sent it down to me, really, Apple just saved me a bunch of trouble. (and shipping costs)
 

EricNau

Moderator emeritus
Apr 27, 2005
10,730
287
San Francisco, CA
bob909bob said:
Order it from the online store. Who cares about ethics.
FYI : Apple has a fraud team that randomly checks orders.
They'll want you to fax in proof of enrollment/employment if you are chosen for a check.
 

gunnz

macrumors member
Oct 24, 2005
38
0
Irvine, CA
EricNau said:
FYI : Apple has a fraud team that randomly checks orders.
They'll want you to fax in proof of enrollment/employment if you are chosen for a check.

Do you know somebody who got audited?
 

EricNau

Moderator emeritus
Apr 27, 2005
10,730
287
San Francisco, CA
gunnz said:
Do you know somebody who got audited?
No, but when I was ordering my computer, it seemed to easy, so I asked if I was going to need proof or anything. That's when he told me that "Apple's Fraud Team" does random checks, and if I was picked I'd have to have to fax proof.
 

PharmD

macrumors 6502
Aug 2, 2005
345
1
Oregon Coast
Chrispy said:
Ok taking this another way, if I had bought an iBook in late July and now I'm considering buying another mac would they keep track of that kind of thing in the retail location. I am considering buying a new one tomorrow and I didn't know if I would be able to buy it. I know technically it is supposed to be June to June but I didn't know if they would notice. Do you guys know if they track purchase dates?

According to the EDU policy, you are entitled every academic year to buy 1 laptop, 1 desktop, 2 displays, 1 iSight and some others I can't remember. If you are buying a desktop, you're home free!
 

gunnz

macrumors member
Oct 24, 2005
38
0
Irvine, CA
Wow, you weren't kidding about getting audited. Yesterday a local Apple Fraud rep showed up on my front doorstep!! I guess they really do check with your school if you are currently or have been enrolled. He presented with a bunch of paperwork, and I might have to pay an extra $100 for the investigation!! OMG...
 

yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
15,028
3,003
St. Louis, MO
Dr. Dastardly said:
I have heard (but cant say for certain) that if you go to the actual brick and morter store they DO make a copy of your id but I think it ends there.

I've bought a few things from the Apple store with my edu discount. Every time, I just showed my ID, and they gave it back to me with the discount. I dont think they made a copy
 

xyian

macrumors 6502
May 24, 2004
274
0
PDX
Whatever people.

Get off your high horse people! Don't act like you've never bent the rules. I mean, come on, if you were so ethical you wouldn't even buy an Apple in the first place because they're made in China using workers that don't earn anywhere NEAR the American wage. Get over it! Ethics are no longer, especially if you live in one of the powerful countries!:eek:
 

gunnz

macrumors member
Oct 24, 2005
38
0
Irvine, CA
xyian said:
Get off your high horse people! Don't act like you've never bent the rules. I mean, come on, if you were so ethical you wouldn't even buy an Apple in the first place because they're made in China using workers that don't earn anywhere NEAR the American wage. Get over it! Ethics are no longer, especially if you live in one of the powerful countries!:eek:

I totally agree.
 

gunnz

macrumors member
Oct 24, 2005
38
0
Irvine, CA
Verto said:
This is such ********. If you (your friend) want to cheat Apple by taking advantage of a program you (your friend) are not entitled to, do so without deluding yourself into believing it is not wrong, or that Apple doesn't care. Maybe they realize that the Apple Store Online is the only option many students have, and are trying to make the purchase a smooth process. Maybe they expect a bit of class and respect from their customers.

Haha.
 

LastLine

macrumors 65816
Aug 24, 2005
1,313
21
gunnz said:
Do you know somebody who got audited?
I was for what it's worth. Just ran them my NUS number off down the phone. THey rang back half hour later after checking it out and we processed it from there.
 

berkleeboy210

macrumors 68000
Sep 2, 2004
1,641
0
Boston, Massachusetts
Before I was in college, I went to the apple store to buy a new powerbook.... I couldn't get any discounts back then, but the sales guy gave me $100 bucks off, because i was a good customer :)
 

gunnz

macrumors member
Oct 24, 2005
38
0
Irvine, CA
LastLine said:
I was for what it's worth. Just ran them my NUS number off down the phone. THey rang back half hour later after checking it out and we processed it from there.

How long was this after you make your purchase from Apple.com? I think it's a one week timeframe?
 

Koodauw

macrumors 68040
Nov 17, 2003
3,952
197
Madison
gunnz said:
Wow, you weren't kidding about getting audited. Yesterday a local Apple Fraud rep showed up on my front doorstep!! I guess they really do check with your school if you are currently or have been enrolled. He presented with a bunch of paperwork, and I might have to pay an extra $100 for the investigation!! OMG...

Im assuming your not serious. BTW this isnt the best way to make friends on the forums.
 
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