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Kebabselector

macrumors 68030
May 25, 2007
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I'd love a small laptop, eeePc size that I can plug my camera into and upload images to my server. Sadly the Air is too large (mainly as it doesn't fit in my camera bag - I could get a larger bag, but then I might as well use my MB) the alternative offered by some here is the iPhone, which for my use would be useless. So really the only option I have for a portable device is not made by Apple.
 

Abraxsis

macrumors 6502
Sep 23, 2003
425
11
Kentucky
I dont see how you can even begin to compare these two numbers. Asus has done next to zero advertising for the EEE, where as iPhone and MBA ... well lets just say I can't watch a prime time TV show without being hit with these ads, not to mention a good Mac vs PC ad for good measure. Trust that I am a huge Apple fan, and I am always amazed with what the Apple teams come out with, but in terms of price and usability there is ZERO comparison with the MBA and the EEE. The EEE is not, and never was, intended to be a desktop replacement or even a solid Ultramobile. The original EEE came from the OLPC project, and Asus simply decided to test the waters. This computer is designed for internet based applications and basic writing/spreadsheet/etc use. Essentially a PDA with more functionality and better usability. The entry level EEE is 299.00, 250.00 on sale, 500.00 for a really nice one. Whereas the MBA is 1700 out of the gate. I just can't understand how people can logically attempt to compare them. However, I can say that after using both, I would go with the EEE 100%.

Last week I was called into the local PC place to work on a MBP, they keep me on retainer even though my actual profession is a graphic artist for a toy company. When I arrived I came upon a pristine Macbook Pro 17", a MAXED OUT one at that. When I removed the newspaper covering half the device, to my horror, the thing had been dropped right on the corner. HD was shot, the logic board had fractures in it, and surprisingly the only thing that survived was the LCD. A total waste. The great part is one of the techs told me that the owner normally kept the thing at home, never took it anywhere. First day she did, to surf the net in the library, she dropped it. Now had she been carrying a MBA the devastation would have been just as great, but had she been carrying an EEE for net surfing and messaging she wouldn't have wasted thousands of dollars, nor would she have broken down into tears when we told her that Apple was going to want well over 1200.00 to fix it cause I might have been able to fix some nasty breaks, but Im hardly a miracle worker. Beyond that, the primary "storage" is an SD card in a EEE, which is much less likely to be damaged to a total loss of data like the MBA, or MBP, or even an iPhone. (yes yes "regular backups" but not everyone does that)

Next up is the iPhone, first off .... the iPhone is a "consumer" device. It was not designed for the average business user. Until apple improves the WPM that is capable on a touch panel, to those of a mini QWERTY, the blackberry and the palm centrinos of the world will continue to dominate. On my Blackberry curve I can type roughly 30 WPM, on my friends iPhone he can type maybe 10-20 depending on complexity. Obviously this is not a scientific test, but given we are both more than adequate typers, it doesn't bode well for the iPhone. Now the Curve ball, even for the business user the iPhone is still a better deal, IF Apple brings the introductory price down to match that of the Blackberries, Centrinos, HTCs etc. This is because overall the monthly fees for an Enterprise capable iPhone 2.0 will be significantly less than a Blackberry. As a staunch Blackberry user I am also considering the iPhone jump, just to save 50.00/month.

Hmmm... I've seen more MBAs in the wild than EEE PCs... and TONS more iPhones. The iPhone has sold over 4 million and the EEE has sold around 350K. We don't have sales figures for the MBA but I suspect it's sold at least as well as the EEE.
 

wordmunger

macrumors 603
Sep 3, 2003
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3
North Carolina
Next up is the iPhone, first off .... the iPhone is a "consumer" device. It was not designed for the average business user. Until apple improves the WPM that is capable on a touch panel, to those of a mini QWERTY, the blackberry and the palm centrinos of the world will continue to dominate. On my Blackberry curve I can type roughly 30 WPM, on my friends iPhone he can type maybe 10-20 depending on complexity. Obviously this is not a scientific test, but given we are both more than adequate typers, it doesn't bode well for the iPhone. Now the Curve ball, even for the business user the iPhone is still a better deal, IF Apple brings the introductory price down to match that of the Blackberries, Centrinos, HTCs etc. This is because overall the monthly fees for an Enterprise capable iPhone 2.0 will be significantly less than a Blackberry. As a staunch Blackberry user I am also considering the iPhone jump, just to save 50.00/month.

That's why I suggested that Apple allow vendors to produce external keyboards for iPhones/touches. That gives you just as much computing power as an EEE, and when the new apps come out in June, I suspect there will be plenty of business-class power for the things.

Look, the MBA isn't for everyone, but I'm not convinced that Apple should be designing a Mac-lite to compete against the non-threat from EEE.
 

0098386

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Jan 18, 2005
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I'm planning on buying a mini laptop next month, probably get an MSI Wind (Bluetooth=yey). But yea if Apple had a cheap laptop then I'd be buying that in a second.
Though I only plan on using it for writing and bedside internets.
 

gaetanomarano

macrumors newbie
Original poster
May 24, 2008
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Italy
So really the only option I have for a portable device is not made by Apple.

this is (exactly) the market's "slice" for the eeeAir

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The entry level EEE is 299.00, 250.00 on sale, 500.00 for a really nice one. Whereas the MBA is 1700 out of the gate. I just can't understand how people can logically attempt to compare them.

I believe that Apple can do something better than an EEE at a price around $500-600

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Aegelward

macrumors 6502a
Jul 31, 2005
528
54
UK
I think the 'eee' isn't exactly the market apple, or we want apple to compete in... its just that some people wish for a more petite and slightly less pricey air.
 

gaetanomarano

macrumors newbie
Original poster
May 24, 2008
25
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Italy
That gives you just as much computing power as an EEE.

but the screen is too little compared with the upcoming EEE900

Look, the MBA isn't for everyone, but I'm not convinced that Apple should be designing a Mac-lite to compete against the non-threat from EEE.

there is not an EEE vs. MBA competition... the reason why Apple should (and, maybe, already IS going to) make an "eeeAir" is to offer something smaller than a MBA and bigger than an iPhone

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But yea if Apple had a cheap laptop then I'd be buying that in a second.

second "eeeAir" buyer found! :)

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I think the 'eee' isn't exactly the market apple, or we want apple to compete in... its just that some people wish for a more petite and slightly less pricey air.

not compete WITH the EEE product but compete IN the EEE segment

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costabunny

macrumors 68020
May 15, 2008
2,466
71
Weymouth, UK
well I love my Air and wouldnt want it any differently.

I will, however, get an Eee901 when they are out (atom powered) as I have a use for a really small linux machine.

The thing about the mac is its entire user experience and I m not convinced that it would be the same on an eee type platform.

Lets see the new iPhone develop with enterprise tools, the tablet and leave it there :)
 

wordmunger

macrumors 603
Sep 3, 2003
5,124
3
North Carolina
This is all beginning to sound like the people asking for a mid-priced desktop tower. Of course people would love to have a cheaper Apple computer, but I really don't think it's going to happen. I don't think Apple is going to be willing to put up with the EEE compromises: smaller keyboard, lack of HD space, etc.
 

Abraxsis

macrumors 6502
Sep 23, 2003
425
11
Kentucky
I myself, having just gone to all desktops, am also looking at a cheap Netbook to replace the portability that I lost moving to desktop machines. I dont need the power of a MPA (nor its effect on my wallet) and I dont WANT the weight and heft of comparably priced PC laptop or Macbook. BUT I do want the functionality of hooking up my camera to it in the woods and offloading a few gigs of photos, even retouching them in PS2, or maybe some in bed surfing/IM at night, all of which can be accomplished with my chosen Netbook, the MSI Wind. A 10" screen, 80GB HD, atom proc, 512RAM (which I will max out first thing) built in wifi, and a memory card slot. OH AND IT HAS 3 USB PORTS. And all that for 399.00 entry (note: this doesnt include Win XP, Ill install that myself with my site license). Not to mention the lack of tears, or complex insurance claims, if I drop it or it gets stolen.

The MBA is too much "machine" for simplified tasks, and the iPhone cant do most of the "interaction" that a Netbook would be able too with other physical devices without costly wifi/bluetooth bridges (which only serve to slow things down). Its a no-brainer to me.
 

gaetanomarano

macrumors newbie
Original poster
May 24, 2008
25
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Italy
This is all beginning to sound like the people asking for a mid-priced desktop tower. Of course people would love to have a cheaper Apple computer, but I really don't think it's going to happen. I don't think Apple is going to be willing to put up with the EEE compromises: smaller keyboard, lack of HD space, etc.

as explained in my "eeeAir" article's update, another good reason why Apple must/should make as soon as possible an "eeeAir" is that, thanks to the "open design platforms" (from VIA and others) also small companies will be able to design and sell under $300 sub-notebooks able to perfectly install and run (also) the Apple OSX and its software, so, the Mac users that think the MacBook Air (still) is too big and/or too heavy and/or too expensive, could save over $1000 on the Air's price

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krye

macrumors 68000
Aug 21, 2007
1,606
1
USA
Apple won't cannibalize its own sales to make your dreams come true. Sorry.
 

Kebabselector

macrumors 68030
May 25, 2007
2,991
1,644
Birmingham, UK
Found this today. A Dell mini laptop Link.

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Looks o.k., hopefully it'll force others (like Apple) to consider this type of device.
 

albusseverus

macrumors 6502a
Nov 28, 2007
744
154
I like the idea of ONE mobile device

There's times I wish Apple would allow Bluetooth keyboards for the iPhone.

The iPhone could be a bit bigger (but lighter), with more functionality (Skype, some audio & video editing and Open Office or iWork) - not so much a tablet, but one portable device.

I'm seriously considering an Eee for my portable needs. I've got an iMac for the desktop and I won't be doing serious audio or video on the run (although apparently the MBA is quite capable in this department). A small, cheap, functional Eee would suit my needs. Bummer that it won't run anything like OS X (and believe me, I'm a big fan of the Eee with OS X videos, but I don't think it's there, yet).

Apple has never shown any interest in the bottom of the market. The cheapest device they make is a Shuffle and on pure function, it's shockingly expensive compared with other brands. The Mac Mini is likewise no bargain (over $1000 here in Australia).

I keep looking at my wireless Aluminium keyboard and thinking... 'you know, with a flip-up screen, this would make an ideal portable device. In fact, the keys could be closer together (I find the current spacing a bit of a stretch). Not as close as the Eee, which frankly is it's only down-side - even small fingers can't use that keyboard for anything serious.

So -
  • Eee = quite functional, small device. Plenty of bang for $. And it can -nearly- run OS X. Reason enough to buy one.
  • I'd like the iPhone to be bigger with more computer-like function & a Bluetooth keyboard. +Knock the Kindle out of the park.
  • If Apple made a device like a flip-up screen for their wireless Al keyboard, I think they'd have a winner.
 

em500

macrumors regular
Apr 29, 2005
152
5
To me the MSI Wind looks the best to of the slew of budget mini laptops terms of features and design. It really looks a lot like a miniature MacBook (but you don't have to pay extra for the black version :)).

Normally it would be strange to compare these $400-$500 laptops to the $1800 MacBook Air. But the usage scenarios of these are pretty similar: a secondary take-with-you-anywhere machine for internetting, emailing, office tasks, media playing, maybe a little photo editing. The Air has a much faster CPU, a better display and keyboard. But the MSI has it's own advantages: bigger and faster HDD, 3 USB ports, swappable batteries (buy one extra and you can really work an entire day without power plug), built-in card reader and ethernet. While the Air's big screen and keyboard are nice, they do add to the size (and I can tell from experience that the MSI keyboard is very usable, much more so than the smaller Asus Eee's). And the Air's fast CPU advantage is somewhat moot for the type of applications that most people would run on these machines.

Personally, I feel the Air's appeal (which was pretty niche to begin with) is considerably diminished by the coming of these new cheap mini laptops. Of course, the Air still have some things going for them, like the classy aluminum design and OS X. But I really don't see that being worth a $1200 difference. Apple being Apple, I don't think they'd be willing to compete in the low cost laptop arena any time soon, which is a real pity.

It has often been said that due to its limitations the Air is really meant as a secondary computer, especially to complement a powerful desktop. But its pricing just doesn't support that. For the price of one MacBook Air, one can buy a powerful 20-inch 2.4Ghz iMac as a primary computer plus an ultra-portable MSI Wind as a complementary secondary computer. For my money I sure know what I would choose.
 

samwise

macrumors regular
Apr 17, 2005
118
2
North Salt Lake, Utah
I'll be picking up an Acer Aspire One in the next couple of weeks:

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This is to replace my current Dell Latitude C400 ultra-portable.

Specs are Intel Atom 1.6ghz, 512Mb RAM pre-loaded (can add extra ram, but means taking machine apart to get to the slot), 8Gb SSD and Linpus Linux OS.

It comes with 3 USB 2.0 ports, 1 SD card slot that can be used to boost the storage (people have fitted 16gb SD cards already), one 5-in-1 card reader (the only netbook so far that accepts my camera's xD card), VGA port, 10/100 ethernet port, b/g WiFi.

Comes with an 8.9" LED backlight widescreen (1024 x 600), 3-cell battery as standard in the Linux version that'll give up towards 3 hrs life, with a 6-cell battery available as an optional extra, and with the 3-cell battery it weighs 2.2lb.

I'd buy an OS X version like a shot, but Apple don't make one, so I can't. I'll be using it for travelling around on my motorbike, so shock-resistance is a priority, along with light weight. It is missing Bluetooth, but that's probably the only thing I wish it did have.
 

iSpoody 1243

macrumors 6502
Jun 29, 2008
435
1
Australia
since when has apple been about stripped back computers with less than normal functionality, come on there will never be a mac notebook slower than the macbook!!! :mad:
 

chrono1081

macrumors G3
Jan 26, 2008
8,709
5,150
Isla Nublar
If apple made an Eee like device I'd buy it in a heartbeat!

Seriously most people bashing the Eee have never used one. Ever.

I bought one just to play online when I travel because it is MUCH smaller then any normal laptop and fits nicely in my camera backpack. Well, after a little bit with it I started using it for lots of other things like large data backups from one drive to another, downloading, setting up wireless networks, etc. This thing is a HUGE convenience and is great not only as a travel computer, but as a task computer as well.

The only reason I would give mine up is if apple came out with their version that ran mac OSX :D
 

iMacmatician

macrumors 601
Jul 20, 2008
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since when has apple been about stripped back computers with less than normal functionality, come on there will never be a mac notebook slower than the macbook!!! :mad:
They aren't. That's why the MacBook Air doesn't have a ULV processor and has a full-size display and keyboard. A larger iPod touch is more likely, if you ask me.
 

alphaod

macrumors Core
Feb 9, 2008
22,183
1,245
NYC
Apple will never sell a notebook for less than $999; simply said the MB is their consumer line and if it's selling so well, why bother making one for $500 when they can sell it for $1000 and people will buy one since it's made by Apple?

They aren't. That's why the MacBook Air doesn't have a ULV processor and has a full-size display and keyboard. A larger iPod touch is more likely, if you ask me.

The MBA has a LV processor. This full-size display crap is all marketing. What exactly is full-size display? By who's definition?

Full size keyboard? Yeah that's why the foot print is the size of the 15" MBP!
 
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