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Speed38

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I collect Apple computers from seniors in my community for forward donation to a charity.
Erasing HDDs is no problem; erasing SSDs is another matter.
I have pulled together, from Apple and other sources, a document with instructions for my own use when presented with a computer having an SSD.
I'd be beholden to anyone who might have the time to read it and point out any errors...and many thanks for doing so.

^^^^^^^^^^
What to do before you sell, give away, or trade in your Mac
-My notes & MacMost 2021 suggestions first:


• Not mentioned below, but covered in a MacMost video, is the advice to go to myappleid.com, log in, click on [Devices] on the left, find the device you are relinquishing, click on it and remove it from your account. Also log into iCloud.com, go to Find My, and remove the device you are relinquishing].

• Then you want to go through a process of signing out of everything on that Mac, out of all of the different accounts. If you don't do this usually it's not a disaster. But sometimes it can be inconvenient to not have the Mac signed out.

• From MacMost - You also can go into things like the App Store. In there there's Sign-In and Sign-Out. So you can sign-out of that as well. In System Preferences you can go to your Apple ID and here you could also Sign-Out. You go to Overview, you can see here's the Sign-Out button. So you can sign-out of your Apple ID and iCloud Account which takes care of a lot of things. But you also want to continue to check other things. For instance in the Messages App there's also, under iMessage, a way to sign-out. So you want to sign-out of all those. It's not a huge disaster if you don't because you're going to erase the drive anyway. But it will make things a lot easier for you to sign-out of all of these.

• Apple suggests for older Macs, Intel Macs, that you reset the NVRAM. If you click on this link here it will walk you through the steps. On newer Macs you don't need to do that. But basically it's rebooting holding Option Command P & R down on those older Macs with Intel processors to clear NVRAM

More on M1/M2/T2 chip computers

Use Erase All Content and Settings, if available


This feature requires macOS Monterey or later and a Mac with Apple silicon or the Apple T2 Security Chip

If you're using macOS Monterey or later on a Mac with Apple silicon or a Mac with the Apple T2 Security Chip, use Erase All Content and Settings instead of the remaining steps in this article.

The following Macs have a new Apple chip called T2.
• iMac Pro.
• Mac Pro introduced in 2019.
• Mac mini introduced in 2018.
• MacBook Air introduced in 2018 or later.
• MacBook Pro introduced in 2018 or later.

The T2 is heavily involved with security and encryption.

Erase all content and settings

Sign out of iTunes in Mojave or earlier

Sign out of iCloud

If using macOS Catalina or later, skip this step.

From the menu bar in iTunes, choose Account > Authorizations > Deauthorize This Computer. Enter your Apple ID and password and click Deauthorize.

Sign out of iCloud

macOS Ventura or later: Choose Apple menu  > System Settings, then click your name (Apple ID) in the sidebar. On the right, scroll down and click Sign Out.

macOS Monterey, macOS Big Sur, or macOS Catalina: Choose Apple menu  > System Preferences, then click Apple ID. Select Overview in the sidebar, then click Sign Out

Earlier versions of macOS: Choose Apple menu  > System Preferences, click iCloud, then click Sign Out.

When asked whether to keep a copy of your iCloud data on this Mac, you can keep a copy, because you will erase your Mac later. Your iCloud data remains in iCloud and on other devices that are signed in to iCloud with your Apple ID.

Sign out of iMessage

From the menu bar in Messages, choose Messages > Settings (or Preferences). Click iMessage, then click Sign Out.

Optional: Unpair Bluetooth devices

To unpair a Bluetooth device, choose Apple menu  > System Settings (or System Preferences), then click Bluetooth. Move your pointer over the device that you want to unpair, then click the Disconnect button or remove button (x) next to the device name.

Erase your Mac and reinstall macOS

After you erase your Mac and reinstall macOS, your Mac restarts to a setup assistant. Press Command-Q to shut down instead of continuing setup.

Reset NVRAM and shut down

Turn on your Mac and immediately press and hold these four keys together: Option, Command, P, R. Release the keys after about 20 seconds. This clears user settings from memory and restores certain security features that might have been altered

After resetting NVRAM, your Mac starts up to the setup assistant again. To leave the Mac in an out-of-box state, press Command-Q to shut down instead of continuing setup.

For older Intel Macs/Macs with no T2 chip.

• Start up from macOS Recovery: Turn on your Mac, then immediately press and hold these two keys until you see an Apple logo or other image: Command (⌘) and R or Command (⌘) Option and R - If you use this latter one, the macOS that will be installed will be the latest one your Mac is capable of running.

• Log onto a WiFi w/ password.

• If asked, select a user you know the password for, then enter their administrator password.

• From the utilities window, select Disk Utility and click Continue.

• Select the topmost choice Macintosh HD in the sidebar of Disk Utility.

• Click the Erase button in the toolbar, then enter the requested details:
#Name: Macintosh HD
#Format: APFS or Mac OS Extended (Journaled), as recommended by Disk Utiliyu

• Click Erase Volume Group. If this button isn't shown, click Erase instead

• If asked, enter your Apple ID. Forgot your Apple ID?

• Optional: If you previously used Disk Utility to add internal volumes other than Macintosh HD, you can erase them individually using the same process.

• When done, quit Disk Utility to return to the utilities window.•If you want your Mac to start up again from the volume you just you erased, select Reinstall macOS in the utilities window, then click Continue and follow the onscreen instructions.

If you don’t see Macintosh HD in Disk Utility

Your built-in startup disk should be the first item listed in the Disk Utility sidebar. It's named Macintosh HD, unless you changed its name. If you don't see it there, choose Apple menu  > Shut Down, then unplug all nonessential devices from your Mac and try again.

If your disk still doesn't appear in Disk Utility, or Disk Utility reports that the erase process failed, your Mac might need service.
 

KaliYoni

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I have pulled together, from Apple and other sources, a document with instructions for my own use when presented with a computer having an SSD.

If you haven’t already seen it, here is an article focused solely on erasing disks (not on comprehensive steps for preparing a Mac to be sold or donated):

[TidBITS is a Mac troubleshooting community that the owner of MacInTouch, another troubleshooting community, pointed their members to when MacInTouch switched to a blog format. I find a lot of good information on TidBITS.]
 
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bogdanw

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Is that a legitimate site? It comes up with a phishing warning here.
It should redirect to https://appleid.apple.com This is the current recommended “Sign in on the web” address
“Apple Account - Manage your Apple ID by signing in to appleid.apple.com with your Apple ID.”
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204053

Fun fact, Apple won <myappleid.com> in a trade dispute https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2013-1650
and it seems it did use it at some point
Code:
https://twitter.com/applesupport/status/962168245204680706
 

Speed38

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loading myappleid.com on using both Safari and Brave browsers raises no phishing warning. It absolutely is a valid Apple site.
 

Speed38

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If you haven’t already seen it, here is an article focused solely on erasing disks (not on comprehensive steps for preparing a Mac to be sold or donated):

[TidBITS is a Mac troubleshooting community that the owner of MacInTouch, another troubleshooting community, pointed their members to when MacInTouch switched to a blog format. I find a lot of good information on TidBITS.]
That TidBits article was first-rate. Many thanks for posting the link.
 

scouser75

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Hi All, I want to erase an external HD. I know people recommend erasing on the APFS for Silicon Macs, but when I go to delete my external HD it only gives me Max Extended Journaled, and Extended Case Sensitive.

Is there any reason I don't have the APFS option? Or is that only for SSDD's? If so, what format should I use for my HDD?
 

Speed38

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You don't say which macOS you are using. If it is a pre-APFS Mac, maybe that's why you don't see APFS as a formatting option.
If APFS is not on offer, then use Macos Extended Journaled.
 
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scouser75

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Thanks Speed38. I'm using Ventura so has APFS. But for some reason I don't see this as an option for this HDD.
 

Pointillism

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Hi All, I want to erase an external HD. I know people recommend erasing on the APFS for Silicon Macs, but when I go to delete my external HD it only gives me Max Extended Journaled, and Extended Case Sensitive.

Is there any reason I don't have the APFS option? Or is that only for SSDD's? If so, what format should I use for my HDD?
What shows up in the "Scheme" section when you go to erase the drive? If it says either "Master Boot Record" or "Apple Partition Map" then you'll need to change it to "GUID Partition Map" first in order to format the drive using APFS.
 

scouser75

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Well, after deleting it as Mac Extended Journaled, I can now see:

APFS
APFS Case Sensitive
APFS Encryped
APFS Case Sensitive Encrypted

Which of these options should I use for a Time Machine backup?
 

scouser75

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That's brilliant. Thanks guys.

And just for future ref, even if I formatted as APFS Encrypted, when I go through the Time Machine process, it'll format it back to APFS only and not encrypted?
 

scouser75

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Oh one more thing, I'm thinking about splitting my 2tb HD when formatting it to 1.5tb for the TM backup and 500gb for general backing up for documents etc. Would that be OK?
 

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Re: encryption: there is an option during TM setup to specify an encryption key. Enter it there/then.

Re: splitting the drive: no need to with APFS, you just add another partition to the container, that way you don't "waste" unused disk space (eg. allocate 500GB for general but only use 200GB, 300GB being "wasted" that TM can use vs deleting old backups).
 

Pointillism

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I believe you actually want to add another APFS Volume to the container rather than add another partition. If you try adding another partition, Disk Utility will let you do it but first it'll warn against doing so and give you the option to add an APFS volume instead. However, if you want to format that 2nd volume as something other than APFS then you will need to create a separate partition.

Also, FWIW, I've had no problems w/ having a TM backup volume and a general purpose one sharing the same APFS container.
 

scouser75

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Re: encryption: there is an option during TM setup to specify an encryption key. Enter it there/then.

Re: splitting the drive: no need to with APFS, you just add another partition to the container, that way you don't "waste" unused disk space (eg. allocate 500GB for general but only use 200GB, 300GB being "wasted" that TM can use vs deleting old backups).

I believe you actually want to add another APFS Volume to the container rather than add another partition. If you try adding another partition, Disk Utility will let you do it but first it'll warn against doing so and give you the option to add an APFS volume instead. However, if you want to format that 2nd volume as something other than APFS then you will need to create a separate partition.

Also, FWIW, I've had no problems w/ having a TM backup volume and a general purpose one sharing the same APFS container.

Thanks again guys 😄

When I went to format it as APFS there was a slider showing 2tb. It gives you the option to split the drive. I was going to have 1.5tb for TM and 500gb for other stuff which isn't urgent and I can just drag and drop in the HD, and delete if I want too. So what you're saying is no need to split the HD and just carry out the TM backup over the entire drive? And I can then use the unused space to do what I mentioned above?
 

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scouser75

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Right, formatted as APFSonly - not encrypted and Time Machine is doing its thing as I type.

Thanks again guys for the help.
 

Makisupa Policeman

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Oh one more thing, I'm thinking about splitting my 2tb HD when formatting it to 1.5tb for the TM backup and 500gb for general backing up for documents etc. Would that be OK?
Not trying to be pedantic or tell you what to do with your backups, but why not just let TM handle the backup of your documents instead? Everything on your internal drive gets backed up automatically, and if the folder is on another drive TM can be configured to back up specific folders and locations as well. You’ll also get the benefit of versioning history of your documents with TM.
 

scouser75

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Not trying to be pedantic or tell you what to do with your backups, but why not just let TM handle the backup of your documents instead? Everything on your internal drive gets backed up automatically, and if the folder is on another drive TM can be configured to back up specific folders and locations as well. You’ll also get the benefit of versioning history of your documents with TM.
Thanks for the tip.

So, if in future I wanted to call upon certain documents or files from the TM backup for any reason, could I do this?
 

Makisupa Policeman

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Thanks for the tip.

So, if in future I wanted to call upon certain documents or files from the TM backup for any reason, could I do this?
You can—you can go to the file or folder, browse the TM history for it in the finder, and restore it, either to the original location (which would replace the current version of the file or folder) or to a new location on your computer.
 
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