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A good friend just bought a drip machine. He bought a De Longhi, and is very pleased.

A suggestion...I know you are truly sick of hearing me me talking about freshness, but the automatic machines with timers that you fill the night before so your coffee is ready when you get up means you have to put the grounds in before going to bed. That means the grinds will be sitting there, exposed to air, for 7-8 hours or so. Even without being a lunatic like me about freshness, sitting overnight in the machine will really ruin the grounds.

He bought the simplest De Longhi machine available, just put in the water, put in the grinds, push the Start button, and it delivers the coffee shutting itself off when a pre=selected amount is dispensed.

I knew you'd say the bit regarding freshness, kind of like the FBI warning before a film starts! :p

I'm okay with that (at least right now) and even still, it has to be leaps and bounds better after several hours in the machine than freeze dried crap, no?

I wonder if there is a machine with an air-tight container which would help preserve the freshness before brewing on a timer. Probably not.

What about a coffee maker that not only brews but also grinds?
 
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The other reason I bought the Automatic Machine was economy! a drip coffee machine produces 6 - 12 cups, I only want 1, by the time I get through the lot it was cold and stale!

the French Press had the same problem, I even tried putting it into a Thermos to keep it warm, nope... bad taste!

the single / Double shot hand prep machines, by the time you have made the coffee, cleaned up the area and the machine, it cold, and you need another to get over the stress of the cleaning!

I tossed all of the Kettles in the house, in favour of a programed one that delivers the exact amount of water for a cup/ mug, once more the French press needs a lot more.

the Delonghi makes 1 or 2 cups at a time, exactly the way you want it requires the water filled 2 - 3 times a day, and the grounds tray emptied once, coffee every 2 days.

I have to admit, it has reduced the cost of the electricity quite a bit doing this over the year. And I can wake up to the machine ready to go for me, just push the button and your off.

As to keeping the coffee fresh, I get mines delivered within 4 days of roasting, and putting it into the freezer seems to be a good way of keeping it over the month.

in an apartment / Flat space is at a premium, so the extra space of the roasting kit, would mean the departure of either the bread maker, the ice cream maker, the food processor, the infrared grill or the toaster, all of which are used every day / other day.

After buying a new kitchen, I still only have the space of a sailing boats galley to work in much to the moans of the other half. And she thinks the kitchen is where she does the washing and picks up her meals!

Jim
 

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Sorry, I don't know what "Aparat" means.:eek: I

Googled it and diin't come up with a definition.

er·satz
/ˈersäts/
Adjective
(of a product) Made or used as a substitute, typically an inferior one, for something else.
Not real or genuine.
Synonyms
surrogate

Sorry, mate! So much wrong with my post! It's Apparat (and Kaffee) with pp and ff respectively. To my excuse, it was late and I was very tired of painting my new living room (damn those smokers!)...

...but since you're so fluently a speaker of Latin: apparatus, we use it around here to describe a form of bureaucracy that lost touch to humanity.

That kind of apparatus that invents Ersatz Kaffee oder Analog Käse. :D (Don't know if such abhorrent a thing exists in your parts of the world and if yes how you call it...analogue cheese? It doesn't look like real cheese, it doesn't smell like real cheese and of course it doesn't taste like real cheese...you get the idea...but well, it's called cheese and sold to the uneducated, tasteless or those fools of us who order a pizza in a restaurant...brave new world.

Oh, back to topic: I'm not into vanilla in my coffee either, but there is nothing wrong with a smooth Eiskaffee...favorable with vanilla ice-cream and sitting next to the Lago di Lugano...or Como.
 

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I knew you'd say the bit regarding freshness, kind of like the FBI warning before a film starts! :p

I'm okay with that (at least right now) and even still, it has to be leaps and bounds better after several hours in the machine than freeze dried crap, no?

I wonder if there is a machine with an air-tight container which would help preserve the freshness before brewing on a timer. Probably not.

What about a coffee maker that not only brews but also grinds?

First, apologies on the "freshiness" thing. No more, I promise. (Now, if someone else brings it up...well...:p)

It would surprise me if no one makes an automatic, programmable drip machine with an airtight (or, at least, almost air tight) bin. I'm sure there must be someone gere who knows about drip machines. I know De Longhi has a pretty extensive line of machines, and I'm sure there are other makers, equally good or better, that make good drip machines.

And as far as anything being better than the freeze dried crap...any grinds that you happen to sweep up off the floor are better than that garbage!!

The other reason I bought the Automatic Machine was economy! a drip coffee machine produces 6 - 12 cups, I only want 1, by the time I get through the lot it was cold and stale!

the French Press had the same problem, I even tried putting it into a Thermos to keep it warm, nope... bad taste!

the single / Double shot hand prep machines, by the time you have made the coffee, cleaned up the area and the machine, it cold, and you need another to get over the stress of the cleaning!

I tossed all of the Kettles in the house, in favour of a programed one that delivers the exact amount of water for a cup/ mug, once more the French press needs a lot more.

the Delonghi makes 1 or 2 cups at a time, exactly the way you want it requires the water filled 2 - 3 times a day, and the grounds tray emptied once, coffee every 2 days.

I have to admit, it has reduced the cost of the electricity quite a bit doing this over the year. And I can wake up to the machine ready to go for me, just push the button and your off.

As to keeping the coffee fresh, I get mines delivered within 4 days of roasting, and putting it into the freezer seems to be a good way of keeping it over the month.

in an apartment / Flat space is at a premium, so the extra space of the roasting kit, would mean the departure of either the bread maker, the ice cream maker, the food processor, the infrared grill or the toaster, all of which are used every day / other day.

After buying a new kitchen, I still only have the space of a sailing boats galley to work in much to the moans of the other half. And she thinks the kitchen is where she does the washing and picks up her meals!

Jim

Please understand...it was not my intention, in any way, to dump on super automatic machines. I can certainly understand the real appeal of the convenience, and NEATNESS!!

My solution to the clean up time issue is to drink my espresso first, then clean up. Surprisingly I don't find the clean up odious. I'm crazy enough to enjoy pretty much everything about making espresso. Sad...no??:p

Sorry, mate! So much wrong with my post! It's Apparat (and Kaffee) with pp and ff respectively. To my excuse, it was late and I was very tired of painting my new living room (damn those smokers!)...

...but since you're so fluently a speaker of Latin: apparatus, we use it around here to describe a form of bureaucracy that lost touch to humanity.

That kind of apparatus that invents Ersatz Kaffee oder Analog Käse. :D (Don't know if such abhorrent a thing exists in your parts of the world and if yes how you call it...analogue cheese? It doesn't look like real cheese, it doesn't smell like real cheese and of course it doesn't taste like real cheese...you get the idea...but well, it's called cheese and sold to the uneducated, tasteless or those fools of us who order a pizza in a restaurant...brave new world.

Oh, back to topic: I'm not into vanilla in my coffee either, but there is nothing wrong with a smooth Eiskaffee...favorable with vanilla ice-cream and sitting next to the Lago di Lugano...or Como.

Yeah, I speak Latin fluently!!:p

Listen, I barely speak English fluently!!:eek:

The cheese sounds like the equivalent of instant coffee...it's called cheese, but bears no recognizable similarity to cheese.:p
 

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I'm ready to purchase my first "real" coffee now that I am about to run out of the Starbucks "coffee" that I originally bought.

I'm asking for recommendations please. :)
 

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Would this be what he's talking about? There is a lot of stuff on this site and I don't know what I'm really looking for.

http://www.intelligentsiacoffee.com/product/coffee/classic-espresso-black-cat-project/hb

Yup, that's the link. I think he is very knowledgeable about coffees, as well as many other ares about coffee.

I wish I could help more. The only thing I can suggest is that I liked illy dark roast espresso blend, which I believe comes pre-ground. I can give you some links to sites that sell coffee, but I think what you are looking for more specific suggestions.

If you want the links to some sites...just let me know. I will recommend
http://www.sweetmarias.com as having superior products. I get my green brands there, and I think they have some pre-roasted coffees. It is, IMO, a very sophisticated and reliable site for different and unusual coffees.
 

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Yup, that's the link. I think he is very knowledgeable about coffees, as well as many other ares about coffee.

I wish I could help more. The only thing I can suggest is that I liked illy dark roast espresso blend, which I believe comes pre-ground. I can give you some links to sites that sell coffee, but I think what you are looking for more specific suggestions.

If you want the links to some sites...just let me know. I will recommend
http://www.sweetmarias.com as having superior products. I get my green brands there, and I think they have some pre-roasted coffees. It is, IMO, a very sophisticated and reliable site for different and unusual coffees.

Okay, thanks! I'll start with the one I just linked to then. Off to order now!

I do like the look of their logo too.

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If you want the links to some sites...just let me know. I will recommend
http://www.sweetmarias.com as having superior products. I get my green brands there, and I think they have some pre-roasted coffees. It is, IMO, a very sophisticated and reliable site for different and unusual coffees.

Ah ye, sweet marias has an extremely good reputation, dont think you could go wrong ordering from them. I haven't tried any of these places as I'm in UK so my knowledge (or lack of..) is based on other peoples experiences of these US roasters.

The black cat blend is often used to group test very high end grinders and machines, it seems to be the high end espresso go to blend in the states. I will have to spend a fortune and get some sent by priority mail over here one day.
 

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So since I've been buying and searching for good coffee, I caved in to my gf wanting a blend of Kroger brand hazelnut and vanilla.

So I reluctantly agreed.

She wanted me to make her a vanilla latte.

And wow. The beans, despite not being the greatest for espresso, made a wonderful, flavor-filled latte which tasted like creamy hazelnut and vanilla. I was totally stunned at how great it tasted.

So perhaps you could take a look at that. Sure it's not espresso pure, but man did it make a good latte. Might have to have a latte blend and an espresso blend.
 

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I sure hope this Black Cat coffee is really good, or that I like it, because it's certainly expensive. 12oz for $15, plus $10 for UPS Ground service. There were faster shipping options for a lot more. I understand that's probably so that the freshness is kept longer and not lost during a slow shipment service.
 

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I sure hope this Black Cat coffee is really good, or that I like it, because it's certainly expensive. 12oz for $15, plus $10 for UPS Ground service. There were faster shipping options for a lot more. I understand that's probably so that the freshness is kept longer and not lost during a slow shipment service.

Take a look over at http://www.sweetmarias.com and see what they have in pre-ground coffee. As Kissaragi has supported my opinion that it is a very reliable site, I feel confident in recommending it, and it is where I get my beans.

The bad news is that good coffee is expensive! $15 for 3/4 pound ($20/pound, if I figured right) is a bit much, but don't be surprised to pay about $15 per pound for good coffee.

Now, you may find a cheaper coffee that you like, and if you do that's great. As has been said a million time before...if you like it, then it's good coffee!

:D
 

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Take a look over at http://www.sweetmarias.com and see what they have in pre-ground coffee. As Kissaragi has supported my opinion that it is a very reliable site, I feel confident in recommending it, and it is where I get my beans.

The bad news is that good coffee is expensive! $15 for 3/4 pound ($20/pound, if I figured right) is a bit much, but don't be surprised to pay about $15 per pound for good coffee.

Now, you may find a cheaper coffee that you like, and if you do that's great. As has been said a million time before...if you like it, then it's good coffee!

:D

I'll check out http://www.sweetmarias.com the next time I need coffee. I'm certainly open to trying new and different coffee's to see what I may like. I just hope my taste dosen't end up being expensive. ;)
 

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I'll check out http://www.sweetmarias.com the next time I need coffee. I'm certainly open to trying new and different coffee's to see what I may like. I just hope my taste dosen't end up being expensive. ;)

While it is not the greatest source, as you have no idea how long the product has been sitting around, a friend uses Amazon (in the UK) and get less expensive coffee (Lavazza, less expensive, but not cheap) that he likes. You can try some inexpensive coffees, but I fear that you palate too good for your wallet, and you will find expensive coffees more to your liking.

Nothing wrong with liking less expensive coffees, just experiment a bit to see what you can find. Since you make latte a lot, you might get away with a lesser coffee because of the other ingredients in the coffee. I'm not so sure about flavored coffees...my experience is that the flavoring is added to cover up the fact that the coffee itself is inferior grade beans. But again...if it tastes good to you...:D

Enjoy the stuff you have ordered, and let us know how it turns out.
 

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Since you make latte a lot, you might get away with a lesser coffee because of the other ingredients in the coffee. I'm not so sure about flavored coffees...my experience is that the flavoring is added to cover up the fact that the coffee itself is inferior grade beans. But again...if it tastes good to you...:D

I do make a lot of latté's and when I placed the order earlier today, I had cognitively decided to enjoy this expensive coffee in it's pure form and not muck it up with milk and syrups. :cool:

I may just use the far lessor Starbucks brand for the latté's; because honestly, you don't really taste the coffee much at all in these drinks.
 

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I do make a lot of latté's and when I placed the order earlier today, I had cognitively decided to enjoy this expensive coffee in it's pure form and not muck it up with milk and syrups. :cool:

I may just use the far lessor Starbucks brand for the latté's; because honestly, you don't really taste the coffee much at all in these drinks.

Makes good sense to me. Save the really good (and expensive) stuff to enjoy straight. If your going spend a bunch, might as well really taste it! :D
 

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Re coffee, I am not familiar with the brands available in the US.

In Europe, LavAzza is a perfectly normal (reasonably basic) coffee, but, within that, there are several grades.

However, in some of the strange places I visit, I have learned not to be choosy, and snatch LavAzza wherever I find it. This, in practice, means large stores in the capital at grossly inflated, utterly outrageous prices in countries where salaries are frightfully low - thus, Lavazza, instead of being the 'bargain basement' version of espresso coffee, becomes an expensive and sought after luxury instead. Well, these are places that labour under the delusion that 'Nescafe' instant coffee is a form of progress. You can have no idea of how many hours of my life have been spent in feeble attempts (in a professional context, I have to be polite, even when giving orders), to disabuse my local interlocutors of this opinion.

Apart from LavAzza, another Italian company I find rather good (and very reasonably priced) are the Palombini company; again, they have a range of coffees. Some of the Cuban coffees are also excellent.

It pays to try out beans from a number of different sources (i.e. Costa Rica, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Java, etc). Each has its own specific flavours and strengths; you may find that you develop a marked preference for beans from certain regions.

In general, I like many of the coffee beans from Central and South America, and used to be very impressed by the fact that Costa Rica was both a functioning democracy and a place which produced lovely coffee; so I bought much Costa Rica coffee at one time (and still buy some; however, I find I also like something a little stronger, as Costa Rican coffee can be rather mild).

As a student, in the 1980s, my politics and coffee - most unfortunately - occasionally became even more intertwined than mere good will directed towards Costa Rica. In fact, in the early 1980s, students with a left wing perspective on life loathed the US interventions in El Salvador (the contras, old hands will remember Lt-Col Oliver North and the Iran-Contra affair), and admired the struggling Sandinistas of Nicaragua, and their poetry writing President, Daniel Ortega. (I still deplore much US policy in the region, but view the Sandinista movement a little less glowingly....)

Anyway, given US intervention, and EU ambiguity, on the matter of Nicaragua, we, as idealistic left-leaning students, felt obliged to support the Sandinistas ideologically, and yes, practically, too. So, we dutifully bought vast quantities of Nicaraguan coffee in support of the Sandinista regime, marketed through the student union shops (which, at the time, were also boycotting Israeli oranges, on account of Israeli policies re Palestine, and boycotting South African oranges on account of the policies of apartheid, so, one particular winter, there were no oranges at all for sale in the SU shop; the sacrifices we made for revolutionary change and political progress....). Actually, I know people who travelled to Nicaragua to work on farms and pick coffee beans for the revolution.....

I can honestly say that I have never consumed anything quite so revoltingly foul and unspeakably vile as that revolutionary coffee from Nicaragua. In fact, it led to a cruel dilemma, the sort of dilemma where taste buds battled political principles. Okay, sad to relate, taste buds won the immediate battle - in that, until Nicaraguan coffee improved (well over a decade later, can't begin to ask why, but market forces might have had some say on things), and battled principle to a compromise, in that I continued to support the revolution, just refused to buy anymore of their utterly undrinkable coffee......

So, I started buying coffee from Fair Trade sources, which met the combined needs of ethics and good taste.

Anyway, the point is, coffee beans matter. And the location, and the producer. While true gourmands such as Shrink roast their own, many people don't. The trick then is to find small artisan producers, who source good quality beans - preferably from small ethical sources - and roast small quantities which can be purchased shortly after roasting. At the moment, I buy from small local coffee importers, who roast small amounts which are dated (one date for roasting, another for 'best before') a week or two, at most a month before I get to buy them.

Try several out - beans, and companies; indeed, you may well find that your own tastes change over time (mine certainly did)
 

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Re coffee, I am not familiar with the brands available in the US.

In Europe, LavAzza is a perfectly normal (reasonably basic) coffee, but, within that, there are several grades.

However, in some of the strange places I visit, I have learned not to be choosy, and snatch LavAzza wherever I find it. This, in practice, means large stores in the capital at grossly inflated, utterly outrageous prices in countries where salaries are frightfully low - thus, Lavazza, instead of being the 'bargain basement' version of espresso coffee, becomes an expensive and sought after luxury instead. Well, these are places that labour under the delusion that 'Nescafe' instant coffee is a form of progress. You can have no idea of how many hours of my life have been spent in feeble attempts (in a professional context, I have to be polite, even when giving orders), to disabuse my local interlocutors of this opinion.

Apart from LavAzza, another Italian company I find rather good (and very reasonably priced) are the Palombini company; again, they have a range of coffees. Some of the Cuban coffees are also excellent.

It pays to try out beans from a number of different sources (i.e. Costa Rica, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Java, etc). Each has its own specific flavours and strengths; you may find that you develop a marked preference for beans from certain regions.

In general, I like many of the coffee beans from Central and South America, and used to be very impressed by the fact that Costa Rica was both a functioning democracy and a place which produced lovely coffee; so I bought much Costa Rica coffee at one time (and still buy some; however, I find I also like something a little stronger, as Costa Rican coffee can be rather mild).

As a student, in the 1980s, my politics and coffee - most unfortunately - occasionally became even more intertwined than mere good will directed towards Costa Rica. In fact, in the early 1980s, students with a left wing perspective on life loathed the US interventions in El Salvador (the contras, old hands will remember Lt-Col Oliver North and the Iran-Contra affair), and admired the struggling Sandinistas of Nicaragua, and their poetry writing President, Daniel Ortega. (I still deplore much US policy in the region, but view the Sandinista movement a little less glowingly....)

Anyway, given US intervention, and EU ambiguity, on the matter of Nicaragua, we, as idealistic left-leaning students, felt obliged to support the Sandinistas ideologically, and yes, practically, too. So, we dutifully bought vast quantities of Nicaraguan coffee in support of the Sandinista regime, marketed through the student union shops (which, at the time, were also boycotting Israeli oranges, on account of Israeli policies re Palestine, and boycotting South African oranges on account of the policies of apartheid, so, one particular winter, there were no oranges at all for sale in the SU shop; the sacrifices we made for revolutionary change and political progress....). Actually, I know people who travelled to Nicaragua to work on farms and pick coffee beans for the revolution.....

I can honestly say that I have never consumed anything quite so revoltingly foul and unspeakably vile as that revolutionary coffee from Nicaragua. In fact, it led to a cruel dilemma, the sort of dilemma where taste buds battled political principles. Okay, sad to relate, taste buds won the immediate battle - in that, until Nicaraguan coffee improved (well over a decade later, can't begin to ask why, but market forces might have had some say on things), and battled principle to a compromise, in that I continued to support the revolution, just refused to buy anymore of their utterly undrinkable coffee......

So, I started buying coffee from Fair Trade sources, which met the combined needs of ethics and good taste.

Anyway, the point is, coffee beans matter. And the location, and the producer. While true gourmands such as Shrink roast their own, many people don't. The trick then is to find small artisan producers, who source good quality beans - preferably from small ethical sources - and roast small quantities which can be purchased shortly after roasting. At the moment, I buy from small local coffee importers, who roast small amounts which are dated (one date for roasting, another for 'best before') a week or two, at most a month before I get to buy them.

Try several out - beans, and companies; indeed, you may well find that your own tastes change over time (mine certainly did)

Wonderful narrative, and excellent coffee advice!!:D

I haven't tried it yet, but I have some single origin Sumatran beans which I will roast soon. The cupping review ended with "not for the faint of heart" which I, of course, took as a challenge and ordered a couple of pounds. I know that roasting is not for everybody, but with Sweet Marias selection it is wonderful to be able to try different blends and single origin coffees at reasonable prices. That site has the greatest selection of green bean, and some pre-roasted coffees. They are incredibly supportive of small farms and agricultural communes. Very much "doing well by doing good". I like their politics as well as their coffees. It's worth giving the site a look (http://www.sweetmarias.com) just for their library and commentaries on coffee growing.
 

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Given the extreme fanaticism of some of the caffeine hounds here, who has tried Kopi Luwak coffee? I wouldn't try it nowadays because of the caged practices associated with it, but did get to try it back in the early 90's when it was still sourced naturally. Honestly, I couldn't taste a difference between a cup of it (at $25) and the next most expensive espresso (at $5).

Nowadays, I use a nice sharp locally roasted blend that is never more than two days old as I buy it each week from a local supplier.

Even on my modest Sunbeam espresso machine I get a good crema and flavour draw with it, giving me a really enjoyable caffe machiatto at home. Which sadly is better than I have at many cafes around my town, but I put that down to their cheap beans/blends.

This is the package I got with conical burr grinder and espresso machine for $500 Australian as a replacement to my LaPavoni fully automatic which died last year. I'm most impressed with it as a starter pack. Later I will blow some serious money on better machines, but for now this setup has me happy.

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I will choose Lavazza on those times when something better isn't available. I can get their food-service packs that are economical enough for the amount of coffee I use - which is a lot.

And to be honest, these have perfectly decent taste provided they are prepared properly.

And let's be honest, you could have the most green, ethical coffee and it'd still be a cup of dreadful sludge if it isn't made properly, either by the producer themselves, or you at home simply not preparing it properly.

My own coffee is always Illy usually, since it is the only easy to get non-boutique brand where I know what I'm using has a consistent taste and is reasonably fresh. Unlike Lavazza whose packaging often has air in it, and the beans are stale.

While it's not as fresh as getting it made on the spot when you are waiting, it's better than nothing. For me, it's good enough. For others, that kind of coffee is about as good as International Roast or Nescafe. Each to his or her own.
 

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Given the extreme fanaticism of some of the caffeine hounds here, who has tried Kopi Luwak coffee? I wouldn't try it nowadays because of the caged practices associated with it, but did get to try it back in the early 90's when it was still sourced naturally. Honestly, I couldn't taste a difference between a cup of it (at $25) and the next most expensive espresso (at $5).

Nowadays, I use a nice sharp locally roasted blend that is never more than two days old as I buy it each week from a local supplier.

Even on my modest Sunbeam espresso machine I get a good crema and flavour draw with it, giving me a really enjoyable caffe machiatto at home. Which sadly is better than I have at many cafes around my town, but I put that down to their cheap beans/blends.

This is the package I got with conical burr grinder and espresso machine for $500 Australian as a replacement to my LaPavoni fully automatic which died last year. I'm most impressed with it as a starter pack. Later I will blow some serious money on better machines, but for now this setup has me happy.

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I've never tried the coffee you mentioned...in fact, I'm not even sure it's available in the US as I'v never seen it before. For me, it's not the caffeine kick that I seek, but rather the taste. Most of what I have read indicates that depending on a number of factors (e.g. Robusta content, darkness of roast, extraction time) etc.) espresso provides less caffeine than a cup of brewed or press coffee. Although some research indicates that there is slightly more caffeine per gram in espresso, the amount in a double shot is much less than in a 8-10 ounce mug of coffee produced by other methods. One would have to drink several espressos to ingest the equivalent amount of caffeine than one a big mug of brewed coffee.

That's a really nice looking machine/grinder package you have, at a very nice price! A couple of questions for those who might come along to this thread looking for information about purchasing espresso equipment:

Is the machine semi-automatic (as it looks), automatic or super automatic?

The grinder is clearly a burr grinder...how many grind adjustments does it have?

Where did you purchase the package?

I will choose Lavazza on those times when something better isn't available. I can get their food-service packs that are economical enough for the amount of coffee I use - which is a lot.

And to be honest, these have perfectly decent taste provided they are prepared properly.

And let's be honest, you could have the most green, ethical coffee and it'd still be a cup of dreadful sludge if it isn't made properly, either by the producer themselves, or you at home simply not preparing it properly.

My own coffee is always Illy usually, since it is the only easy to get non-boutique brand where I know what I'm using has a consistent taste and is reasonably fresh. Unlike Lavazza whose packaging often has air in it, and the beans are stale.

While it's not as fresh as getting it made on the spot when you are waiting, it's better than nothing. For me, it's good enough. For others, that kind of coffee is about as good as International Roast or Nescafe. Each to his or her own.

Your comment about the importance of the production of the beans, not it's "politics", is certainly on the mark. I would suggest that with Sweet Maria's stuff you get both. Ethically produced and purchased beans combined with the highest production quality. Beans is beans...and their production is paramount when it comes to the coffee it produces. Knowing that the suppliers (small farms, etc.) are treat decently and ethically by the seller makes it, for me, an even nicer purchase. Sweet Maria's supports small farms and qgricultural communes, but also is responsible regarding the quality of the green beans they sell.

I, too, used illy beans before I started roasting at home. I also agree that the packaging ensured reasonably fresh coffee, and the supplier from whom I purchased online was pretty good about buying in fairly small amounts so it didn't sit on the shelf too long.

As far as preparation goes, IMO, AFTER the quality of the beans, preparation is the whole story.:D
 
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For me, it's not the caffeine kick that I seek, but rather the taste.

I am the same, it took a lot of sampling through the city here to find just the right blend for my tastes (and equipment) that is roasted regularly in small batches and making sure it was purchased in a responsible manner.

That's a really nice looking machine/grinder package you have, at a very nice price! A couple of questions for those who might come along to this thread looking for information about purchasing espresso equipment:

Is the machine semi-automatic (as it looks), automatic or super automatic?

The grinder is clearly a burr grinder...how many grind adjustments does it have?

Where did you purchase the package?

I'm actually not sure about it's automatic status, but I think it's semi-automatic. I press a button for extraction and different buttons to either get it up to temperature for hot water or steam. It does strain with finely ground excessively oily beans, which slows down the extraction to an absolute drip.

The grinder has 25 settings. I grind pretty fine, then open it up to really coarse so as to release everything from the hopper quickly. So it sits empty between uses.

I believe it's an Australian only release. I purchased from an electrical retailer here called "The Good Guys", I paid cash and they threw in a 5 year warranty for free with it which would have cost me $80.

Tech. Spec's from the manufacturers site follow:

Sunbeam EM6910

Artista Espresso Machine
  • Stainless steel thermoblock heating system, one piece design
  • 15 BAR pump
  • Full stainless steel and die-cast alloy housing
  • Specially designed crema system
  • Progressive pre-infusion for greater body and sweetness from coffee
  • Brass and phenolic filter handle
  • Simple push button control panel
  • Energy saving Eco Mode
  • 2.5 litre removable water reservoir
  • Hot water function
  • Accessories: 600mL stainless milk jug and coffee spoon with tamp
  • Designed and engineered in Australia
  • Now coffee pod compatible

Conical Burr Coffee Grinder
  • Conical burr design - ensures a consistent, even grind
  • Slow speed grinding - minimises heat transfer to coffee
  • 25 grind settings
  • Grind on demand - grind directly into the group handle
  • 250g bean hopper capacity
  • Replaceable metal burrs
  • Commercial + Domestic group handle locators
  • Preparation area for grinding and tamping coffee
 
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