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Messaging is so core to modern communication, that there should really be a modern secure facility that’s platform-independent and non-proprietary.
Signal? WhatsApp? + dozens of other alternatives?

no one is forcing you to use iMessage or whatever came with your phone
in fact, most don't
if someone is using iMessage, it is just out of stubbornness, not because i have no choice (i have first hand experience on this matter)

also, SMS for cross-plattform communication is fine with me...
of course you shouldn't discuss too much politics in an oppressive regime, or post your bank account info, but otherwise it is still pretty ok in my book
 
Why is everyone so up in arms against Apple supporting better cross-platform messaging with the default app?

I don't understand what motivates you guys to defend Apple's current messaging app. It's god for ecosystem lock-in, but why is the average MacRumors reader so motivated to defend ecosystem lock-in?
 
Europeans: iMessage is not a thing here. It's barely used. Everyone already use WhatsApp and other cross-platform tools, unlike Americans.

Also Europeans: iMeSsAgE hAs A mOnOpOlY hErE
Not completely true. No one cares much about iMessage - that's true as WhatsApp is the 'standard' messaging app for the world outside of the USA. But the only people doing the moaning about iMessage are the likes of Google who want it to play nice with RCS and that's about it.

iMessage just isn't important enough for those of us in Europe to care about. Unfortunately as I said above, WhatsApp is the standard messaging app/tool. Everyone needs to have it or miss out socially with your friends/family etc. I suppose the large adoption of Android has alienated the need or want for iMessage to be opened up for cross-platform.
 
Why is everyone so up in arms against Apple supporting better cross-platform messaging with the default app?

I don't understand what motivates you guys to defend Apple's current messaging app. It's god for ecosystem lock-in, but why is the average MacRumors reader so motivated to defend ecosystem lock-in?
i actually don't have anything against cross platform interoperability, but RCS, being pushed by Google, whose only interest is in extracting every single blink of an eye to profile and sell that info, is in my opinion not the best decision for "privacy focused" communication
in which case, SMS doesn't have that many disadvantages, other than not being able to send counltess videos of idiots farting in a microphone, or pr0n flicks

also, even if cross platform posting could be implemented in a truly private and secure manner, they still open unnecessary loopholes for zero day exploits, which will be made even easier, because hackers could just concentrate on one single approach to basically reach 100% of earth's population that is connected to the internet
 
There is no lock-in. I'm not "locked in" to use iMessage in my social circle at all - 90% of my communications are on Telegram, Signal or WhatsApp.
Don't lie to yourself, you and I both know that the reason Apple restricts iMessage within its own ecosystem and colors the bubbles blue vs. green is in effort to lock-in users (even if "there's always other apps"), to pressure teens into using iPhone.

They could easily enable non-iPhone to participate in the iMessage ecosystem - can you guess the reason they won't?
 
I am against gatekeeping, but I do not really see how to combine differente messengers, if they use different protocols. And Signal for example requires a phone number, while Threema does not. And how can you prevent that your phone number gets into the hands of a messenger that you do not even use? For example Signal users use Signal because they do not trust WhatsApp. If messengers are forced to work together, how can a Signal user prevent his personal data from getting into the hands of WhatsApp?
 
Europeans: iMessage is not a thing here. It's barely used. Everyone already use WhatsApp and other cross-platform tools, unlike Americans.

Also Europeans: iMeSsAgE hAs A mOnOpOlY hErE
Also EU politicians: : iMeSsAgE hAs A mOnOpOlY hErE

Fixed it for you.

I'm glad the EU can be proactive in investigating monopolies and pushing progress for better safety and environmental regulations but there are times when they are looking to regulate certain parts of certain businesses which is totally uncalled for. The only people that want to regulate iMessage are Android users and Google executives and shareholders.
 
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I wouldn’t mind a basic interconnected protocol made by a group of companies, like Matter for the smart home appliances. I don’t care if iMessage special sticker features don’t work on WhatsApp, but I’d like to be able to text in WhatsApp chats through the Messages app.
 
This will benefit Apple. The sooner they make iMessage open to android, the sooner I can get rid of whatsapp!
It won’t benefit apple that you don’t need to spend 800$ on an iPhone to get rid of the green bubble. I think one of the reason teens want an iPhone is to not be a green bubble and if you give that to android… No reason to buy an expensive iPhone to a teen anymore.
 
Nobody uses iMessage in EU. People don't even know that such service exists. WhatsApp has about 100% market share.

It fluctuates between 39-89%.

UK is 73%.
 

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Where? How are these people getting these surveys? I never see anything like this. Are they asking their friends and family or what? All android users i would imagine. No one with an iPhone wants this.. Madness. So sick of EU trying to destroy Apple products. They should have no power over a company not in the EU.
By mail? We will see as I would love to answer it.
Europeans: iMessage is not a thing here. It's barely used. Everyone already use WhatsApp and other cross-platform tools, unlike Americans.

Also Europeans: iMeSsAgE hAs A mOnOpOlY hErE
lol, nobody is talking about monopoly. We have 400 million citizens. About 100million iOS users and the DMA require 45 million monthly active end users established or located in the EU.
Still blows my mind that they check each service individually. I previously thought that once you are a „gatekeeper“, it counts for all the services as a whole within that company but looks like the EU is literally checking the amount of users of each service? Sounds like a ridiculous amount of work.

Why not just do …

Apple has X users (as a whole) and therefore considered a „Gatekeeper“ and thus their services such as iMessage and AppStore etc have to comply, otherwise the term doesn’t make any sense? They’d have to call it „Apple AppStore Gatekeeper“ since apparently not everything within „Apple“ is „gatekept“.
Because it would be incredibly unfair to do that. Just because Apple the company is a gate keeper doesn’t mean all their services are gatekeeping the market.

Just how the iPad, Mac, AppleTV, watches etc are not significantly enough impact on the market.(see attachment)

This is what happens when the incompetent bureaucratic public sector pokes it's red tape laden nose into the real world of business , chaos ensues
No, this is the wrong interpretation when you don’t understand the purpose behind the law. To actually be fair instead of using broad strokes.
One way of looking into it would be what patents they could kill off, companies do try to avoid paying others for use of intellectual property when they can... Maybe the EU could develop and release to the public an open source/free to use , feature rich and secure system that everyone could adopt, then it being open source, the corporations will utilise it especially if they don't have to make payments to a rival...
That’s not EUs job. They don’t invent things.
This.

iMessage is hardly a monopoly. WhatsApp. Telegram. Signal. WeChat.

There are so many options out there, and unlike browsers they are largely unrestricted by iOS. Use whatever you like, but calling iMessage a monopoly is nonsense. No one needs the RCS protocol - it would be nice to unify around one messaging app but if you just need to establish basic communications SMS is fine.
RCS and sms aren’t compliant
  1. Where a gatekeeper provides number-independent interpersonal communications services that are listed in the designation decision pursuant to Article 3(9), it shall make the basic functionalities of its number-independent interpersonal communications services interoperable with the number-independent interpersonal communications services of another provider offering or intending to offer such services in the Union, by providing the necessary technical interfaces or similar solutions that facilitate interoperability, upon request, and free of charge.
I have a sneaking suspicion is it really only the carriers that want RCS to succeed - since it is meant to replace SMS, which has largely been superseded by standard internet data protocols, it’s a revenue stream they’d like to restore….
It has nothing to do with monopoly as a monopoly isn’t an illegal thing. Its interoperability between dominant services

According to the European Commission
a dominant position is “a position of economic strength enjoyed by an undertaking which enables it to prevent effective competition being maintained on the relevant market by affording it the power to behave to an appreciable extent independently of its competitors, customers and ultimately of its consumers”.

A dominant position is not in itself an infringement of EU competition law, and the holders of such positions are allowed to compete on merit, like any other company.
However, a position of dominance confers on the undertaking a special responsibility to ensure that its conduct does not distort competition.
 

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Why is everyone so up in arms against Apple supporting better cross-platform messaging with the default app?

I don't understand what motivates you guys to defend Apple's current messaging app. It's god for ecosystem lock-in, but why is the average MacRumors reader so motivated to defend ecosystem lock-in?
I’m against the Google suggested RCA protocol that only they created without a consortium, but up for interconnection for basic features like messages, audios and calls through different apps
 
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Signal? WhatsApp? + dozens of other alternatives?
Proprietary. And not platform-independent, because you depend on which platforms and devices the respective company provides clients for. Someone building a new device can’t just write their own WhatsApp client for it.
 
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“a position of economic strength enjoyed by an undertaking which enables it to prevent effective competition being maintained on the relevant market by affording it the power to behave to an appreciable extent independently of its competitors, customers and ultimately of its consumers”.
How does iMessage "prevent effective competition"? It's definitely not the reason I use an iPhone. On the flip side, if the iPhone actually prevented me from using WhatsApp / Telegram / Signal / etc. - that would actually be an impetus for me to move away from the iPhone.

If anything the messaging apps (WhatsApp in particular) are the ones that are actually "prevent(ing) effective competition" because of the huge incumbent user base they own.
 
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