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lol Europe really wants to kill the whole business model of Apple. Does anyone remember the browser selection screen of Microsoft Windows?
Exactly. Regulators pretending to be businessmen are dangerous.
 
USB C substandard? The Koolaid is strong with this one.

Why? The connector itself is designed poorly. Lightning is far stronger and will put up with heavier use/abuse. USBC ports are known to get loose over time, I had to replace both sides on my 2017 MBP and those ports received far lighter use than my phone would. When I travel for work I can make as many as 10 stops a day which means I need to plug and unplug my phone from my car that many times, while I never had a lightning port fail I have no confidence that a USBC port will survive that longterm, AppleCare FTW!
 
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Sideloading is the process of installing an application on a mobile device from a source other than the official app store. This can be done by downloading the app from a third-party app store or a website and installing it manually.
 
I’m sure Apple is right that the issue really is security and privacy, and it’s just a coincidence that this arrangement lets them take a chunk of their competitors’ margins and decide what types of apps you can and cannot install on a device you paid for.
 
That's what I noticed too. Sure sounds like eventually the EU would like for apple to license iOS to others, but that will never happen.
I don’t think it’s that, I think that regulators and tech “journalists” have an extremely low level of technological illiteracy itself.
 
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People are being too blinkered in their view on this. The mobile phone has become more than just a mobile phone, it has now become a device that in most part is an essential part of how society functions which means the iphone goes way beyond just being a mobile phone. Companies of all nature are now requiring people to install company app's on their phone. Medical services, utility companies, banks, retailers, local authorities, it is becoming increasing difficult to live and work in today's society without the use of a mobile phone. Therefore as a result, due to it's importance in today's society, it cannot be a closed system controlled only by one company who can do as it pleases.

This attitude/behavior might be ok in the US, it certainly is not in the EU, hence why the EU is asking for Apple to be more open.
Most of those institutions should have their digital services in websites instead of apps, anyway.
 
Many people here only think in (space) black and white.

Regulations can be very useful and help with progress. In the EU I can use the internet provider I like because the cable owners must let others companies use the cables for rent.

While I agree that apple should profit from its inventions, that doesn’t mean that it should be able to abuse a monopoly.

I should be able to use other services without being hindered by Apple.
Why can’t I use GeForce Now properly on my iPad for example?
You can’t be attacked for having a “monopoly” over YOUR OWN PRODUCT within a larger market.

It’s like saying General Mills should not be allowed a “monopoly” over Coco Puffs.

Apple is not a market unto itself; it competes in the smartphone market (among others). You are free to choose their product or a product from their competitors.

Part of Apple’s product is the App Store exclusive system.

Don’t like it? Don’t buy it, go with a competitor.

This is really not difficult stuff.
 
I’m sure Apple is right that the issue really is security and privacy, and it’s just a coincidence that this arrangement lets them take a chunk of their competitors’ margins and decide what types of apps you can and cannot install on a device you paid for.
While the 30% sucks, they do handle A LOT of the complications of taxing and payments infrastructure for you. That stuff is extremely expensive and hard to get right.
 
An example of this is NFC. Apple severely restricts who has access to it's NFC hardware technology.
Why in the world should that be open to anyone with a pulse?

Can we just drop the act in the US and EU? The fight against encryption alone should tell you that none of this stuff is actually about consumers, that’s the marketing angle of the real agenda, complete tracking of everyone at all times.
 
Sadly as with the vaccine farce showed the EU can't organise a p*s* up in a brewery. The EU was set up originally as a Common Market, but then tinpot unelected dictators who openly gave speeches about lying along with talking to aliens found a new empire they could inhabit....The EU, the Federal Europe, with so much fraud in it, the accounts could hardly ever be signed off.

This organisation knows absolutely nothing about innovation let alone computing, but knows everything about bloating a bureaucracy so much and overriding the sovereign nations that joined.

Can anyone name ONE innovation in computing that the EU have initiated?

You need an interpretation of the Double Speak coming from the EU and this is my best attempt:

"we want unlimited access to users information"
 
Maybe appropriate after point a permanent global station is up and running on the Moon and/or Mars. Until then this step is pointless and short sighted.
 
Apple should just sell iPhone EU (which would probably be quickly nicknamed iPhone FU) like the US sells/exports F-16s w/out the advanced/classified systems.
 
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So, your remedy is that instead of competing fairly by making a better browser, it is fine if Apple cripples its competition so that they cannot be better and in fact worse because it has to be built on webkit with many restrictions on top of that? That is your definition of fairness? You want to defend the right of a company to do this without questioning it?
Yes - but not without questioning it - if the only alternative is a browser monopoly then Apple crippling competition is the lesser of two evils. Alternatively, if there was a healthy browser ecosystem with multiple thriving rendering engines I would be very happy and excited to see alternative rendering engines on iOS. But that isn't the world we live in.
 
Yes, because their ideas are great. I love having to disagree to cookies fifty times a day. I’m confident now that companies aren’t tracking me.
 
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People are being too blinkered in their view on this. The mobile phone has become more than just a mobile phone, it has now become a device that in most part is an essential part of how society functions which means the iphone goes way beyond just being a mobile phone. Companies of all nature are now requiring people to install company app's on their phone. Medical services, utility companies, banks, retailers, local authorities, it is becoming increasing difficult to live and work in today's society without the use of a mobile phone. Therefore as a result, due to it's importance in today's society, it cannot be a closed system controlled only by one company who can do as it pleases.

This attitude/behavior might be ok in the US, it certainly is not in the EU, hence why the EU is asking for Apple to be more open.

This might be my favorite post. If the iPhone opens up to third party Appstores the first thing any security focused company will do is block sideloading.

This will also kill the very hard fought for MAM for phones. Spent two years getting my company to drop MDM for MAM. Now companies will want MDM again to protect the device instead of just the applications.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/this...ng-from-100-banking-apps-protect-yourself-now

I suggest you all read the article and focus on how this malware is spreading. Right now a bad website can't do a darn thing on a iPhone. This will make iPhones just another Android.

No I'm not worried I'll have an issue. I'm worried about my family and friends who don't know better. I don't want to deal with managing phones on top of computers.
 
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It’s not Apple’s fault that German and French companies have been largely unable to create competitive personal tech or digital services.

In Germany they are still using cash, sending faxes and queuing at government / state offices to get things done. I doubt France is much different when it comes to digitalisation.

There is actually very little one can’t do using public APIs on an iPhone. Using NFC for payments is the only major “locked down” HW element in an iPhone these days.

Apple Pay launched in 2015 and came to Europe soon after. It’s really a bit late now. Banks won’t start implementing their own wallets anymore. Effectively nobody did that on Android either.

It gets quite ridiculous if companies aren’t allowed to have any “proprietary” features anymore. Even AirPod’s easy pairing would probably be considered illegal under DMA.

Oh and allowing Chrome to use Google’s own rendering engine will seal Google’s total victory in web technology space. It won’t foster innovation - even MS dumped their own tech in favor of Google’s.

Sideloading will cause a flood of fake banking apps etc. to hit iPhone too, just like on Android.
 
People are being too blinkered in their view on this. The mobile phone has become more than just a mobile phone, it has now become a device that in most part is an essential part of how society functions which means the iphone goes way beyond just being a mobile phone. Companies of all nature are now requiring people to install company app's on their phone. Medical services, utility companies, banks, retailers, local authorities, it is becoming increasing difficult to live and work in today's society without the use of a mobile phone. Therefore as a result, due to it's importance in today's society, it cannot be a closed system controlled only by one company who can do as it pleases.

This attitude/behavior might be ok in the US, it certainly is not in the EU, hence why the EU is asking for Apple to be more open.
You've hit the nail on the head in just one part of your comment "The EU is asking for Apple to be more open" Basically its about Apple letting the EU into our devices.
 
People are being too blinkered in their view on this. The mobile phone has become more than just a mobile phone, it has now become a device that in most part is an essential part of how society functions which means the iphone goes way beyond just being a mobile phone. Companies of all nature are now requiring people to install company app's on their phone. Medical services, utility companies, banks, retailers, local authorities, it is becoming increasing difficult to live and work in today's society without the use of a mobile phone. Therefore as a result, due to it's importance in today's society, it cannot be a closed system controlled only by one company who can do as it pleases.

This attitude/behavior might be ok in the US, it certainly is not in the EU, hence why the EU is asking for Apple to be more open.
People can choose from an immense amount of non-Apple options.

So, your argument for destroying Apple’s product fails completely.

Just more evidence that….lets say it together…APPLE IS NOT A MONOPOLY.

If it were, you might have a case. But people can easily get inexpensive and “open” options.

But people keep buying iPhones. Guess they must like the product.
 
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Yes, because their ideas are great. I love having to disagree to cookies fifty times a day. I’m confident now that companies aren’t tracking me.
This is an example of a bad regulation created with good intentions. As soon as companies started popping up those cookie prompts the EU should have slammed them down with an update to the regulation. The problem wasn't the attempt at regulation (protecting user privacy rights) but in not bothering to respond to the real world consequences of the regulation with better regulation (the regulation should not let companies ask to allow cookies but should just ban them unless the user signs up to the site, of course this would also requiring banning sign up except in cases where it is necessary).
 
can’t wait to see everyone mentally contort themselves to defend billion dollar tech companies and think that’s normal in the comments 🍿
I don't defend billion dollar tech companies, but neither do I or should anyone acquiesce to the EU where the real intention is another attack on our privacy. Basically Apple could do what they like if they let the EU into our devices by throwing up everything to the EU.
 
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