Yes, but they were an EU company on and before the 31st of January 2020.
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EU Draft Proposals Require Phone Makers to Provide Spare Parts for 5 Years and Ensure Longer Battery Life
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Ever heard of ASML? ASML is the only company in the world capable of making the machines that are needed to manufacture the most advanced chips. The machines TSMC needs to produce Apple silicon.
ASML - Netherlands/EU, you know?
ASML needs EUV Lasers, provided by Trumpf - Germany/EU. I think Trumpf is also the only company …
ASML needs brilliant optics, only ZEISS is capable to manufacture. Zeiss Germany/EU, you know?
So there wouldn‘t be any of you‘re beloved products without strong and competitive technology from Europe.
And, Apple used to own ARM. Apple has a perpetual license and pays ARM almost nothing
ARM has less than $3B in annual revenues
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Well that power thing is just funny - good luck trying to regulate chemistry, EU
Also, this may be hard for many to comprehend, but the life of a Lithium battery is related to the total charge of the battery and has nothing to do with the number of charges.
But when we hear "500 cycle", we think 500 charges. Not necessarily so.
You can confuse yourself more here https://www.grepow.com/blog/charging-cycles-of-lithium-ion-polymer-batteries/
Also, this may be hard for many to comprehend, but the life of a Lithium battery is related to the total charge of the battery and has nothing to do with the number of charges.
But when we hear "500 cycle", we think 500 charges. Not necessarily so.
You can confuse yourself more here https://www.grepow.com/blog/charging-cycles-of-lithium-ion-polymer-batteries/
Apple right now
To be fair I'm quite happy with the battery life on my iPhone but I know a lot of people and have seen a **** load of reports online of people having ****** battery life. It's not just Apple of course but we really need better battery technology and more efficient chips/software. Apple and Google have control over iOS/Android so they could be doing a lot more to make it more efficient.
To be fair I'm quite happy with the battery life on my iPhone but I know a lot of people and have seen a **** load of reports online of people having ****** battery life. It's not just Apple of course but we really need better battery technology and more efficient chips/software. Apple and Google have control over iOS/Android so they could be doing a lot more to make it more efficient.
I give you that one. That is one. Albeit, they do less than $25B a year in revenues. A pittance in the grand scheme of things
Name your other Top 5
Can’t wait for someone to offer up “Spotify” as a EU technology company
I can think of a lot of things I wish politicians could ensure lasted longer.
Now it's just blue pens vs black pens, or Ford Vs. Ferrari. So they were, then they weren't, now they are EU again or aren't they? etc. Meh.
If you really REALLY want to make an argument about EU zone tech companies, simply point to ASML which is in the Netherlands. ASML has a virtual monopoly on the EUV lithographic machines that make it possible for TSMC to make those ARM based M and A series chips that power everything Apple these days. Samsung almost exclusively uses ASML as well.
Without ASML, TSMC and Samsung aren't making those super advanced chip sets, and all this awesome tech we have goes "POOF".
The tight restrictions on exporting ASML's IP and products is the reason the PRC can't replicate the most advanced chip technology at this time. It's what opens all the doors, and is the key to all the locks.
Without it, your iPhone is still back in 4s territory.
All revenue is yearly in USD.
BT Group - $30.374bn
BAE Systems - $28.624bn
Ericsson - $34.958bn
Philips - $35.152bn
They are a few technology-only companies in the EU / Europe.
Europe is in this mess because they let the energy market self-regulate.
A few ideas - not necessarily the top 5 for which a definition has not been supplied:
Dassault Aviation
Airbus
Bosch
BioNTech
Siemens
SAP
Nope, the article says 500 full charging cycles, which could be like a year and a half for somebody charging every night.
Some of you are just really super dramatic.
Billion dollar corporations will find a way to make it work. You don't need to carry water for them.
Billion dollar corporations will find a way to make it work. You don't need to carry water for them.
They could just require devices to contain batteries that are accessible and replaceable by consumers, like most electronic devices. I had two hot-swappable Mac laptops in the past and I never had to worry about my device outliving my batteries.
Named already three. Asml, Trumpf,and Zeiss. Every single produces unique products. And we have many more.
We do still have strong companies, maybe no tech giants like Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon - but this may be a good thing.
While it's not the largest (i.e. we have larger companies more deserving of a placement in the top 5 list), it certainly does fit the bill with it being a "technology company" created and developed in Sweden. It literally spawned a whole business segment mate. So what are you getting at?
I might offer up Volvo as well honestly, which invented and refined automotive safety technology.
My BF got a new Samsung phone from work last week and he was wondering why it didnt charge and I was impressed how light it was. Eventually I was like "hum ... are you sure this phone does not have a replaceable battery and you still have to put it in?" (yes, we had to) 😅 so not used to that anymore but it was a pleasant surprise
Pushing efficiency is good. This should put pressure on ARM and Qualcomm as their performance cores are just not efficient, with each generation actually being less efficient than the last. And hopefully this would also discourage many OEMs form using old 28nm chips on their phones.
But I also hope this is enforced for laptops as well. This should give motivation for intel to innovate.
Imo this is a "better" regulation than requiring USB-C.
But I also hope this is enforced for laptops as well. This should give motivation for intel to innovate.
Imo this is a "better" regulation than requiring USB-C.
Seems like maybe too many.
EU and US both need a law holiday where the legislators compete to see how many needless laws can be repealed.
Oh boy I cannot wait to read all the intelligent comments from iPhone fans in this thread.
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To adequately represent all 27 member states and their political groups we need a lot of MEPs. And just because we have more lawmakers does not mean that we automatically have more useless or bad laws.
And I suspect that there aren’t actually as many laws that need to be repealed as you think.
Wish EU lawmakers would use this for car manufacturers and the electronics....
Car costs much much more and we know how much the car companies charge if you have to replace parts on the car....
And whilst they are at it, why not apply it on White Electronic goods as well...
Car costs much much more and we know how much the car companies charge if you have to replace parts on the car....
And whilst they are at it, why not apply it on White Electronic goods as well...
Way to miss the boat. They should mandate the phones dont get hot in the sun, are waterproof for 1000 hours, and the screens are so bright they can be read easily in direct sunlight while only needing to charge once every week.
Governments think because they can make money out of thin air they can mandate electrical engineering.
Governments think because they can make money out of thin air they can mandate electrical engineering.
Apple does much of this already so these regulations are going to primarily impact everyone else and get them to step up their game. They will likely also push Apple to improve in order to try to stay ahead of the pack.
I’ll publish a ‘final’ list once I get all submissions. British companies and military contractors do not count
Can’t wait to see someone submit Skype!
Can’t wait to see someone submit Skype!