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EU Provisionally Agrees on Law That Would Force Apple to Allow Alternative App Stores, Sideloading, and iMessage Interoperability

vipergts2207 said:
I’ve provided paragraphs of reasoning as well as evidence involving existing paradigms. You’ve provided nothing more than “well I think X will happen and you’ll just have to believe me.” Sorry, but you’ll have to put in a bit more effort if you want to convince folks of your fairy dust and unicorn farts.
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Nobody can predict the future with exacting certainty. I don’t believe this legislation is motherhood and apple pie. You are certainly more than welcome to go down the yellow brick to see the wizard, but im not buying this legislation is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
I7guy said:
Nobody can predict the future with exacting certainty. I don’t believe this legislation is motherhood and apple pie. You are certainly more than welcome to go down the yellow brick to see the wizard, but im not buying this legislation is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Of course nobody can predict the future with certainty, but some folks are better at reading the tea leaves than others. I recall folks on this forum implying and outright denying this legislation would see the light of day, but yet here we are.
 
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Jeaz said:
Overall, I support this. Personally, I doubt I’m gonna use any alternative App Store, not will the average user, but it should be allowed to be options.
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You say that until your favorite apps become exclusive to the Epic iOS store, or the Google iOS store, or the Amazon iOS App Store. Google apps only on the Google store, Amazon app only on the amazon store, etc. it is going to become a terrible mess of exclusivity and broken services. I bought my iPhone because it provides me what I want the way I want it. If users don’t like the iPhone and how its software operates, buy a different phone.
 
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shplock said:
except that this will lead to 50,000+ app stores and millions and millions of malware not to mention security compromised due to 1,000,000 criminals using the open access to the NFC chip to steal your card details etc.
That will then lead to lawsuits against apple (because why not) and not to mention not everyone is a hardcore techno expert.
This is the worst most dumb idea to come out the Eu since deciding their first leader (before it became the EU) should be member of Adolf's inner circle!
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I don't think anyone has sued Apple over Calendar hijack. I had at least five people come to me panicking how their phone will stop working if they don't download X app through official App Store or how their phone needs antivirus all because their calendar got infiltrated by malware.

Most of the credit cards now have RFID and how many times have you been hit by a bystander with the readout hardware to stole your card data? I bet the number is zero.
 
Side loading doesn’t benefit the masses it only puts them at risk for viruses, scams , phishing, credit card fraud etc
Time will prove the point and unfortunately Apple and the customer will pay the price
 
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kalsta said:
In principle, I support governance that restricts the power of big business. But who is going to restrict the power of the EU? This just sounds way too heavy handed to me. Frightening actually.

But can I still say yes please to ‘iMessage interoperability’? ? Would be nice to see the big players work together on this.
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The member nations of the EU control the power of the EU. The citizens of those countries control the power of those countries. Thus the citizens of the member countries control the power of the EU. It's called democracy.

No company is forced to comply with a jurisdiction's laws, as in, they can simply choose to not operate their business in that jurisdiction. However, if you do want to operate in a jurisdiction, then you do have to comply. Got a problem with that, then ultimately, you have a problem with the citizens of that jurisdiction, as they are the ultimate power. Again, democracy.
 
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MysticCow said:
Well, here comes the plethora of "New App Store for iPho--OOPS! WE STOLE YOUR CREDIT CARD!"

PS--Yes, there will some purely legit ones also.

PPS--It is sad the previous Postscript needed placed.
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Yeah yeah yeah, sure, just like what happens on macOS, you know, the Apple OS that does, and always has, allowed sideloading. Somehow without any of the plethora of imagined problems that everyone against these proposals comes up with.

Who would have thought it huh. macOS, the Apple OS that is simultaneously open, and yet is secure.
 
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NufSaid said:
Pretend I am a business owner who creates a wedding vendor venue where everyone can come and sell. I build the building and pay all the utilities. I want to charge people to sell in there. No problem.

Now I am forced to allow competition. No problem. Build your own building.

But NO....I am now forced to build sidewalks to the other buildings. Allow them to walk in a promote inside my building all why paying me nothing. And occasionally one of them comes in my building sick and makes everyone else sick and I get the bad press and get sued.
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The analogy doesn't hold up. Look at macOS. It (like iOS), is built on a UNIX base, and thus the means and ability for software to install on it was built long ago before OSX existed, and not by Apple. Apple doesn't have to build and roads, pay any utilities, or provide any buildings. All it has to do is remove the roadblocks it put on the public roads (purely to funnel an obscene amount of Apple Tax into its coffers).

Now sure, Apple has indeed built up macOS with API's and tools that both Apple and non-Apple software can use. However, they don't charge companies to use it on macOS. Why? Because without those companies, such as Adobe, MS, etc writing those software packages, macOS would be useless, and no one would buy Macs. There is zero different with iPhones. If every external developer hadn't created any apps that can run on an iPhone, then no one would buy iPhones. THAT is what Apple gets from providing this infrastructure. Hardware sales.

The reason they do it on iPhones and not Macs is simply because when Macs were invented, they were merely yet another computer, and if they tried to do what they've done with iOS, then the Mac would have flopped. However when Apple introduced the app store monopoly into iPhones, iPhones were pretty much the only serious game in town, and apps via the browser were already abundant enough. They saw an opportunity to whack on a massive Apple Tax, and went to town on it. They got too greedy. And now the world is saying enough is enough.

Democracy is run by the people. Not the corporations. When a corporation annoys the people enough, it pays the price.
 
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The member nations of the EU control the power of the EU. The citizens of those countries control the power of those countries. Thus the citizens of the member countries control the power of the EU. It's called democracy.

No company is forced to comply with a jurisdiction's laws, as in, they can simply choose to not operate their business in that jurisdiction. However, if you do want to operate in a jurisdiction, then you do have to comply. Got a problem with that, then ultimately, you have a problem with the citizens of that jurisdiction, as they are the ultimate power. Again, democracy.
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You have a very naïve and simplistic view of how the EU actually works and where the power of the EU actually lies. But I won't bore you with the details. I don't think you really care. Enjoy your "democracy".
 
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vipergts2207 said:
Of course nobody can predict the future with certainty, but some folks are better at reading the tea leaves than others. I recall folks on this forum implying and outright denying this legislation would see the light of day, but yet here we are.
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Some financial commercials opine that past performance is not a guarantee of future performance.
 
After reading this 81 page monster, there are aspects about I agree and others I disagree.
Keep in mind that this is currently a proposal. The final document could look very different.

Personally I agree for the most part, even as a broad Apple user, iOS/iPadOS needs to evolve and become more customer centric. It is currently very Apple centric. A balance is needed. Flexibility.

Apple and others (Google)n have the opportunity to drive this. I could see Google working on some of this. Question is will Apple.
 
well, people who voted for those politicians to represent them are making these decisions to essentially Europeans are making these demands. Thats how democracy works.

If you do not like what voted-in-position politicians are doing, then do you do not like democracy. Choose your poison.
 
shplock said:
And the even newer world where YOU constantly get hacked and have all your money stolen and I hope that comforts you as the EU politicians laugh at you and then tell you to **** off when you complain.
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Jeez, constantly get hacked ? don’t be so dramatic. Simply keep using your AppStore in your Apple Bunker if you fear the free open wide world. Nobody will stop Tim from handholding the paranoids.
 
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GroundLoop said:
You say that until your favorite apps become exclusive to the Epic iOS store, or the Google iOS store, or the Amazon iOS App Store. Google apps only on the Google store, Amazon app only on the amazon store, etc. it is going to become a terrible mess of exclusivity and broken services. I bought my iPhone because it provides me what I want the way I want it. If users don’t like the iPhone and how its software operates, buy a different phone.
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It’s the developer right to offer the Apps where and the way he wants. This will mainly go the Affinity, Office365 route, with AppStore(s) versions and Web download versions, and you will be able to choose the ones that suits you best.
 
shplock said:
No it should not be allowed. Dumb dumb dumb!
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Finally, no more Green-bubble Blue-bubble nonsense. Europe doing what U.S. politicians should be doing.

It seems there is some confusion about the messaging element of the law. This applies to platforms that can already communicate with each other. Facebook Messenger cannot communicate with Google's Messages, or Apple's Messenges. But currently, Google's Messages can communicate with Apple's Messenges, so they both must work on a common standard. This favors Google as they have wanted Apple to utilize RCS, and now, Apple is forced to, at least in Europe, if the proposed legislation becomes law. But if done in Europe, I am pretty sure it will become standard in the U.S. and everywhere else as well.

www.zdnet.com

Google says Apple is holding back smartphone users with its iMessage approach

But the Google exec says he is not calling on Apple to bring iMessage to Android.
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Why cant yuropoors into text messages? It's so simple, so accessible, and so widely supported (because it's a cell phone network feature). And no, RCS is not text messaging, everything is routed through Google servers to spy on you for their benefit and to your detriment.

You do realize that it's compatibility with government spying and surveillance they really want right? What sort of moron buys into the EU police state?
 
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