Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Even current Mac Pros are not fully supported in ML 10.8

The problem is quick-sync enables the 'supported' machines to transcode the screens output down to a resolution and bit-rate that the network and AppleTV can support. This requires horsepower.

From my experience, there is no reason any quad core mac can't do this, as they all can all render 1080p in real-time. Some of the slower machines much struggle to convert say, 2560x1440 into a 1080p stream however.

The question is if it can be hacked, will the software run on the CPUs cores not the Quicksync part of the CPU. I.e. software transcoding.

If it can't do this, then only 3rd party solutions will enable this for us.
 
BrandonG777 said:
Enough of the dumb **** someone needs to figure out what plist we need to modify or something. It was reported working on beta on iMac7,1 (Mid 2007) I'm sure it's just restricted based on a list Apple decided was "optimal performance" but you can't tell me my Mid 2010 i5 MacBook Pro won't push it.
Click to expand...

Right. It is a .plist file:rolleyes:
Not sure how your skull can contain such brain mass.
 
This was the only feature I wanted from 10.8. So glad I found this thread before I purchased. I've already got a nice free app that will send any file to the TV via AppleTV but was looking forward to ML because it would be so nice to use it in an extended desktop mode.

I'm pretty taken aback by this slap to Mac Pro's. Fine, they don't have the quicksync architecture. It's still obviously easy to do given that the app I use was created by someone that doesn't even work for Apple.

And anyone that thinks that there aren't thousands of Mac Pro users out there that would find this useful professionally and personally, obviously you have a very limited empathy ability and imagination.
 
prograham said:
This was the only feature I wanted from 10.8. So glad I found this thread before I purchased. I've already got a nice free app that will send any file to the TV via AppleTV but was looking forward to ML because it would be so nice to use it in an extended desktop mode.

I'm pretty taken aback by this slap to Mac Pro's. Fine, they don't have the quicksync architecture. It's still obviously easy to do given that the app I use was created by someone that doesn't even work for Apple.

And anyone that thinks that there aren't thousands of Mac Pro users out there that would find this useful professionally and personally, obviously you have a very limited empathy ability and imagination.
Click to expand...

And you are overplaying your hand. This is a fun thread to read.
 
prograham said:
And anyone that thinks that there aren't thousands of Mac Pro users out there that would find this useful professionally and personally, obviously you have a very limited empathy ability and imagination.
Click to expand...

Great! Then help us out oh wise one... show us how we are all wrong?

1. Professionally - Last I checked, a Mac Pro in the work place is usually found in a cubicle setting. Not in a conference room. Last I checked, AppleTV's aren't usually found in cubicles. I could see a company using AppleTV's in a conference room, but in that case you wouldn't (or at my company even be allowed to) lug your Mac Pro into the conference room to share your desktop on the AppleTV. Further, no company would put a Mac Pro in a conference room for purposes of presentations since that would be complete over kill (power point runs just fine on a mini!).

2. Personally - Unless you are living in a small one bedroom apartment, then most likely your Mac Pro isn't in the same room as your AppleTV's (since you aren't probably doing work in your living room, but rather in an office away from the hustle and bustle of the rest of the family living their lives, making noise, etc). In this case, what good would sharing your Mac Pro desktop to an AppleTV in another room? What are you going to run back and forth from the living room to the office to fire up youtube vidoes? Just use a laptop in the living room to feed the AppleTV....

Explain how my rationale is off base please....
 
paulrbeers said:
Great! Then help us out oh wise one... show us how we are all wrong?

1. Professionally - Last I checked, a Mac Pro in the work place is usually found in a cubicle setting. Not in a conference room. Last I checked, AppleTV's aren't usually found in cubicles. I could see a company using AppleTV's in a conference room, but in that case you wouldn't (or at my company even be allowed to) lug your Mac Pro into the conference room to share your desktop on the AppleTV. Further, no company would put a Mac Pro in a conference room for purposes of presentations since that would be complete over kill (power point runs just fine on a mini!).

2. Personally - Unless you are living in a small one bedroom apartment, then most likely your Mac Pro isn't in the same room as your AppleTV's (since you aren't probably doing work in your living room, but rather in an office away from the hustle and bustle of the rest of the family living their lives, making noise, etc). In this case, what good would sharing your Mac Pro desktop to an AppleTV in another room? What are you going to run back and forth from the living room to the office to fire up youtube vidoes? Just use a laptop in the living room to feed the AppleTV....

Explain how my rationale is off base please....
Click to expand...

I don't live in an apartment.
I have more than 1 bedroom.
I have an apple tv in the same room as my Mac Pro.
I do 3D animation on my 30" ACD.
I would really like to stream renders to a 1080 flat screen to get a sense of how my work will look on TV.

Your rationale is flawed because it is based on assumptions.
 
paulrbeers said:
Great! Then help us out oh wise one... show us how we are all wrong?

1. Professionally - Last I checked, a Mac Pro in the work place is usually found in a cubicle setting. Not in a conference room. Last I checked, AppleTV's aren't usually found in cubicles. I could see a company using AppleTV's in a conference room, but in that case you wouldn't (or at my company even be allowed to) lug your Mac Pro into the conference room to share your desktop on the AppleTV. Further, no company would put a Mac Pro in a conference room for purposes of presentations since that would be complete over kill (power point runs just fine on a mini!).

2. Personally - Unless you are living in a small one bedroom apartment, then most likely your Mac Pro isn't in the same room as your AppleTV's (since you aren't probably doing work in your living room, but rather in an office away from the hustle and bustle of the rest of the family living their lives, making noise, etc). In this case, what good would sharing your Mac Pro desktop to an AppleTV in another room? What are you going to run back and forth from the living room to the office to fire up youtube vidoes? Just use a laptop in the living room to feed the AppleTV....

Explain how my rationale is off base please....
Click to expand...

Man... wow. I think just about anyone that works in video/visual production would have liked this, for screenings, previews, lots of different reasons. I wasn't attacking anyone, just trying to encourage people that think Mac Pro users are crying for no good reason to try and really think of a scenario where it might be useful. I see now that even today, that's too much to ask. Maybe in a few more years people won't have such snide knee jerk reactions.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
minifridge1138 said:
I don't live in an apartment.
I have more than 1 bedroom.
I have an apple tv in the same room as my Mac Pro.
I do 3D animation on my 30" ACD.
I would really like to stream renders to a 1080 flat screen to get a sense of how my work will look on TV.

Your rationale is flawed because it is based on assumptions.
Click to expand...

Awesome. DVI to HDMI from your Mac Pro to your tv and boom issue solved right? I mean I assume you are doing this today right? If you feel it would benefit you....

----------
prograham said:
Man... wow. I think just about anyone that works in video/visual production would have liked this, for screenings, previews, lots of different reasons. I wasn't attacking anyone, just trying to encourage people that think Mac Pro users are crying for no good reason to try and really think of a scenario where it might be useful. I see now that even today, that's too much to ask. Maybe in a few more years people won't have such snide knee jerk reactions.
Click to expand...

No see, you can't make a statement like we aren't being imaginative without backing it up. If you feel like we are missing the boat, then prove to us why we are missing the boat. I provided why I feel that the ability to do Airplay Mirroring is pointless on a Mac Pro. I gave you both my Professional and Personal opinions of which you have given no reason to prove that my rationale is flawed.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Alright, the only reason I'm replying is because the dog didn't eat all the troll food so I've got some left for you.

Running hdmi is not always an option. Is it really so hard to believe? I can't sit here and list all the ways a room can be set up that has a tv, appletv, and mac pro where this isn't an option but I'd like to believe you can come up with a few on your own and see my point. For me, at work, most of these types of rooms already have dual monitors attached to the mac pro that already has it's pci slots full. So there's that. For some of the rooms, all the hdmi ports on the tv are already in use. So there's that. The bottom line is it just would have been really useful/easy/nice for A LOT of people. I would venture to say thousands if not tens of thousands out there in that big wide world. Don't be a jerk pal, I don't understand why it's a big deal for anyone to understand this instead of turning this thread into an argument. And since it is, by all means reply but I'm done. I'm sorry you don't get it.
 
I simply made a point. Not sure why you are so testy about it. These are just forums. Some people take things way to seriously...
 
Powernap doesn't work on Mac Pro either.

When somebody buys a Mac Pro they expect it to last longer than this. Apple thru it's innovation thru hardware are leaving Mac Pro users behind. No Thunderbolt, No USB3, No Airplay, No Powernap.

minifridge1138 said:
I think the thread title is completely accurate.

Airplay mirroring is a feature of 10.8.
Airplay mirroring is not supported on the current Mac Pro.
That means that at least 1 feature of 10.8 is not supported on the Mac Pro.
Therefore, the Mac Pro is not fully supported in 10.8
Click to expand...
 
Why is it that game companies can offer fallback software renderers to their 3d games, and yet Apple with its army of engineers cannot be bothered to write a fallback software encoder for Airplay Mirroring? Multicore Mac Pros have the horsepower to do this. On PS3 Media Server and Plex I can transcode 1080p video from my octo-core with no dropped frames and still do other work.

I think the reality is, either the Mac Pro is on its way out, or Apple plans to stop using the Xeon series. Apple doesn't make software choices like this arbitrarily.
 
paulrbeers said:
Great! Then help us out oh wise one... show us how we are all wrong?

1. Professionally - Last I checked, a Mac Pro in the work place is usually found in a cubicle setting. Not in a conference room. Last I checked, AppleTV's aren't usually found in cubicles. I could see a company using AppleTV's in a conference room, but in that case you wouldn't (or at my company even be allowed to) lug your Mac Pro into the conference room to share your desktop on the AppleTV. Further, no company would put a Mac Pro in a conference room for purposes of presentations since that would be complete over kill (power point runs just fine on a mini!).

2. Personally - Unless you are living in a small one bedroom apartment, then most likely your Mac Pro isn't in the same room as your AppleTV's (since you aren't probably doing work in your living room, but rather in an office away from the hustle and bustle of the rest of the family living their lives, making noise, etc). In this case, what good would sharing your Mac Pro desktop to an AppleTV in another room? What are you going to run back and forth from the living room to the office to fire up youtube vidoes? Just use a laptop in the living room to feed the AppleTV....

Explain how my rationale is off base please....
Click to expand...

You do know what happens when u assume? :)

I work from home and my main machine is 2009 mac pro soon to be upgraded to 2010 efi and cpu. I use it for work and for my personal computing needs. I don't like imacs so my only option was to get a mac pro. Its a xeon machine and works flawlessly with everything I throw at it. I live in 1 bedroom apartment and my office is in one corner of my living room and my TV is in the middle of the living room. Both coexist just fine in same time and space continuum. I know mac pro is more than capable to work with 1080p files as I have used it to serve my htpc and my jailbroken atv2 with mkv files without any issues.
 
kalex said:
You do know what happens when u assume? :)

I work from home and my main machine is 2009 mac pro soon to be upgraded to 2010 efi and cpu. I use it for work and for my personal computing needs. I don't like imacs so my only option was to get a mac pro. Its a xeon machine and works flawlessly with everything I throw at it. I live in 1 bedroom apartment and my office is in one corner of my living room and my TV is in the middle of the living room. Both coexist just fine in same time and space continuum. I know mac pro is more than capable to work with 1080p files as I have used it to serve my htpc and my jailbroken atv2 with mkv files without any issues.
Click to expand...

Did I not say "unless you live in a 1 bedroom apartment...".... ??
 
petsounds said:
Why is it that game companies can offer fallback software renderers to their 3d games, and yet Apple with its army of engineers cannot be bothered to write a fallback software encoder for Airplay Mirroring? Multicore Mac Pros have the horsepower to do this. On PS3 Media Server and Plex I can transcode 1080p video from my octo-core with no dropped frames and still do other work.

I think the reality is, either the Mac Pro is on its way out, or Apple plans to stop using the Xeon series. Apple doesn't make software choices like this arbitrarily.
Click to expand...

They can of course. Making new features work on older hardware is not anywhere near the same priority for a company selling hardware as it is for a company selling software.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back