iPad Everyone is complaining about Pencil 1 on the iPad and lack of landscape on the Pro. Why is everyone missing the obvious reason?

[Proteinaceous]

I wonder if there is a technical challenge in just switching places of the camera and magnetic charger in the Pros or this is just Apple doing Apple things. Why didn't they actually make a substantial change in the Pros by placing the camera where it isn't stupid to use it on business calls? Can't the magnetic charger go to the side in landscape mode, or is it maybe that they'd then have to compromise on the speaker system?

The pencil would block the speakers when connected. they would also have to relocate the power button (at least on the 11 inch).

 

[darngooddesign]

I think the actual problem with the gen 1 compatibility is that to charge it with the iPad, like previous generations, you now need a dongle.

You always needed the included adapter to charge the Pencil 1 with a Lightning cable.

 

[Proteinaceous]

Camera module in the middle, magnets and chargers to the left and right. Done.

You would also have to deal with the volume buttons and the SIM card tray.

 

[darngooddesign]

The only way the Pencil 2 would have worked with the iPad-10 is if Apple put a charger next to the camera and let the Pencil be off-center. If the M3 iPP gets a landscape camera I suspect that there will be a Pencil 3 with two magnets so it is centered regardless of which direction it is place. I suppose Apple could have done the two magnet thing in the iPad-10 but then people would ask by the cheap iPad gets a higher numbered Pencil than the Pros.

 

[bodonnell202]

The only way the Pencil 2 would have worked with the iPad-10 is if Apple put a charger next to the camera and let the Pencil be off-center. If the M3 iPP gets a landscape camera I suspect that there will be a Pencil 3 with two magnets so it is centered regardless of which direction it is place. I suppose Apple could have done the two magnet thing in the iPad-10 but then people would ask by the cheap iPad gets a higher numbered Pencil than the Pros.

This - I suspect something like this will come to the Pros first, along with an Apple Pencil 3. Then iPad Air will get it shortly after the Pros...

 

[Abazigal]

I think the actual problem with the gen 1 compatibility is that to charge it with the iPad, like previous generations, you now need a dongle.

Well, people wanted usb c on their Apple devices. So they get all the downsides that come with the initial transition phase as well.

I am less concerned about the charging, and more about the pairing process. The Apple Pencil would have enough battery life to last at least a day. This means that you can easily charge it at your desk either in the morning or at night and then get it out the way. However, if you ever need to, say, restart your iPad in the middle of class (I sometimes do that when my iPad can’t detect my Apple TV), I imagine it would be a hassle to have to repair your Apple Pencil again without said adaptor.

So the problem is that you now need both a dongle and the usb c charging cable on hand at all times.

Seems like it may be cleaner to get that Logitech stylus instead. For now at least.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Does the Mini have a 'landscape camera'?

 

[jrs22]

Does the Mini have a 'landscape camera'?

Sadly no.

 

[Crow_Servo]

I think Apple wanted to squeeze one more round out of the current, settled iPad Pro design before addressing how to move the camera to the landscape rail. I’m confident it’s doable even if it means moving the Pencil charger to one of the portrait rails.

I could see this being true. If they eliminate the 11” Pro, then they could just reposition the Pencil attachment area to the top edge of the 12.9” and possible ~14” models, and maybe move the power button to the side, like the iPhones.

 

[Proteinaceous]

I could see this being true. If they eliminate the 11” Pro, then they could just reposition the Pencil attachment area to the top edge of the 12.9” and possible ~14” models, and maybe move the power button to the side, like the iPhones.

I think you’d still block the speakers…unless they change the speaker arrangement such as incorporating front-facing speakers similar to the MS Surface.

They might be able to have the pencil charger and the camera on the top landscape rail if they lower the camera system from the bezel to behind the screen and incorporate a dynamic island in the iPad. Not sure I would personally want that in an iPad, though.

Lots of options and I suspect Apple will work something out. I think the bottom line is that the current iPad Pro design/chassis would need a serious redesign to incorporate a landscape camera and maintain all of the other stuff on the edges. There is a lot of stuff on the edges of these iPads (speakers, microphones, power button, volume buttons, pencil charger, sim tray [maybe future iPad Pros will go e-sim only], USB-C). Also, the bottom landscape edge needs to be clear as a keyboard/folio attachment point.

 

[Crow_Servo]

I think you’d still block the speakers…unless they change the speaker arrangement such as incorporating front-facing speakers similar to the MS Surface.

They might be able to have the pencil charger and the camera on the top landscape rail if they lower the camera system from the bezel to behind the screen and incorporate a dynamic island in the iPad. Not sure I would personally want that in an iPad, though.

Lots of options and I suspect Apple will work something out. I think the bottom line is that the current iPad Pro design/chassis would need a serious redesign to incorporate a landscape camera and maintain all of the other stuff on the edges. There is a lot of stuff on the edges of these iPads (speakers, microphones, power button, volume buttons, pencil charger, sim tray [maybe future iPad Pros will go e-sim only], USB-C). Also, the bottom landscape edge needs to be clear as a keyboard/folio attachment point.

Good points. I forgot it would block the speakers, plus it might be confusing to have the power button too close to the volume buttons. At least with the iPad Mini, the volume buttons and power button are at opposite ends of the same edge.

A Dynamic Island inclusion does sound like a possible solution, with I’m sure mixed reactions from some people, like when Apple added the Notch to the MacBook.

 

[Boil]

Spring 2024 iPad Pro
3nm M3 SoC
OLED ProMotion display - 12", 14", & 16" models
Apple Pencil 3 - same landscape orientation charging location - charging equipment in bezel
FaceID / cameras behind screen - cutouts like latest iPhones - Dynamic Island
Three tiers of SSD/RAM, rather than two

 

[eyeseeyou]

You always needed the included adapter to charge the Pencil 1 with a Lightning cable.

True, but using a cable was optional; now, a cable(and dongle) is required to charge the apple pencil.

I never liked having an apple pencil sticking out of the iPad while it charges, but for me, it was still more convenient than plugging a cable into a power source and then plugging the apple pencil into that cable.

 

[eyeseeyou]

Well, people wanted usb c on their Apple devices. So they get all the downsides that come with the initial transition phase as well.

I am less concerned about the charging, and more about the pairing process. The Apple Pencil would have enough battery life to last at least a day. This means that you can easily charge it at your desk either in the morning or at night and then get it out the way. However, if you ever need to, say, restart your iPad in the middle of class (I sometimes do that when my iPad can’t detect my Apple TV), I imagine it would be a hassle to have to repair your Apple Pencil again without said adaptor.

So the problem is that you now need both a dongle and the usb c charging cable on hand at all times.

Seems like it may be cleaner to get that Logitech stylus instead. For now at least.

I think it's hilarious that an iPad mini exists with a USB-C port and is compatible with the apple pencil 2. With all the changes to this new iPad, I'd put the new position of the camera in the "nice to have" category.

 

[jcshas]

I use Microsoft Teams video conferencing on my iPad Pro 12.9 multiple times every single day and never once has anyone ever complained that I’m looking away from them

 

[Mw0103]

Ok so every thread here and on SM keeps complaining about the same 2 things:
- Why does the new iPad 10th gen only use Pencil 1
- Why does the iPad pro miss out on the landscape camera

I mean, the answer is pretty obvious.

How would you fit both a magnetic charger and landscape camera in the small same area?

The iPad can thus get away with Pencil 1 to get around the problem, and since Pros already have Pencil 2, and are used for pro things that need a better pencil, you cant take that away from them.

But I have faith that in forthcoming generations Apple above other companies will figure out how to fit both in the same region, in a cost effective way

Have you looked at the size of the pencil charger and the camera? Seems like they could have moved the pencil charger slightly up or down the edge to fit both on the landscape side. Or they could have moved the speakers to the landscape side and moved the pencil to the short side where the camera used to be.

This convoluted pencil 1 with dongle and cable “solution” seems to be implemented solely to drive people who want to use the pencil regularly to the more expensive iPad Air (despite the fact that they advertise Pencil use as part of the iPad 10 marketing—with an asterisk—which suggests they want people excited about Pencil capability when viewing the marketing, concerned when they learn of the caveats of Pencil 1 support, and deciding the $150 extra to jump to the “uncompromised” Air is not that much).

Apple seems to have market research that indicates that:

(1) the price hike from the iPad 9 to Air was too great to drive people to upgrade;
(2) the $329 entry price is necessary in the market;
(3) a mid-level iPad in the style of the Air decontented to be thicker and heavier with an unlaminated screen lacking anti-glare is not enough to drive a critical mass of consumers from said decontented iPad to the Air (and perhaps to the Pro once they’ve justified the jump to the Air); and
(4) given all of the above, limiting the new iPad to Pencil 1 support necessitating the use of an adapter and cable to PAIR the pencil and charge it (not even developing an adapter to use without a cable to make the Pencil 1 work as it did with every iPad with which it was compatible prior to this week) is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back enticing a critical mass of consumers to follow the upsell to the Air (or even better, one of the Pros).

It is gross, and I hope the strategy bites them in the rear end.

 

[Cardino]

Ok so every thread here and on SM keeps complaining about the same 2 things:
- Why does the new iPad 10th gen only use Pencil 1
- Why does the iPad pro miss out on the landscape camera

I mean, the answer is pretty obvious.

How would you fit both a magnetic charger and landscape camera in the small same area?

The iPad can thus get away with Pencil 1 to get around the problem, and since Pros already have Pencil 2, and are used for pro things that need a better pencil, you cant take that away from them.

But I have faith that in forthcoming generations Apple above other companies will figure out how to fit both in the same region, in a cost effective way

I think the iPad 10 is aimed at users of older budget iPads. So support for the Apple Pencil 1 is for those who have already bought a first-generation Apple Pencil. They need not to buy a new Pencil 2 for the new iPad 10.