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wirelessmacuser

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It's a waste of money in my opinion. Just get the one you want, who buys multiple laptops at once

I do. And frequently.

I'm an avid enthusiast of mobile communications & computing. A multi-platformist by choice, and a high tech professional.

Who are you to judge?

To clarify my earlier comment above, my much loved 13" MBA was operating just fine for four days before it developed the issue of multiple colored stripes filling the display. At first a restart would clear it. Then it got to the point where it was constant. I called AppleCare to advise them, then to my friendly, competent Apple store. They are always a pleasure to do business with. Upon seeing how bad it was they gave me a new replacement. That one lasted less than 24hrs before doing the same thing. So I bought an 11" to use while Apple sorts out this issue.
 

Parrotlet

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I do. And frequently.

I'm an avid enthusiast of mobile communications & computing. A multi-platformist by choice, and a high tech professional.

Who are you to judge?

Yes, I am also a mobile comm enthusiast and a multi-platform user and a high tech professional, it's just my opinion that buying a 13 inch and 11 inch MBA at the same time is a waste of money, like I said MY OPINION

And I don't get the whole Who am I to judge comment. I am allowed to have opinions
 

WardC

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Okay, I have had a couple more days to use both machines, I still finding myself using the 11" model much more than the 13.3". I have also found that the 16:9 aspect ratio of the 11" actually makes it not that much smaller when playing widescreen formatted movies which use the HD or widescreen ratio. The 13.3" model is a 16:10 aspect ratio, so it letterboxes when you play HD or Widescreen aspect ratio format movies. The 11" is a wider display with less vertical resolution, but the widescreen or HD movie aspect ratio fits the display better.

I have run iChat video chatting several times on both machines, and I have found that iChat video chat eats up battery life VERY fast. The battery will only last about 2:45 on the 11" and 3:45 on the 13.3" when running iChat video chatting over WiFi. The machines both heat up after about 20 minutes of video conferencing and the fan kicks in at an audible level. The rear of the machine on both laptops heats up and is very warm, but not scorching.

As to reply to what people are saying about the size and weight. The 11" model is CONSIDERABLY smaller, it is nearly 60% of the size of the 13.3" model and the weight factor is considerable when you try to carry them around. I am not saying that the 13.3" model is a heavyweight, of course not when you compare it to a MacBook Pro or any other "full-size" laptop. I am just saying that the 13.3" MBA FOOTPRINT (size it takes up) and bulkiness of size compared to the 11" makes it "feel" like a full-sized laptop machine (I am not counting thinness here, just footprint) compared to the 11" which feels like a tiny netbook. The 11" is such a great machine. It is a marvel of engineering. The 13.3" model does not feel much different than my old Rev C 13.3" (yes, I have a rev C also, but I am selling that model on eBay right now, bid is at $885). The new 13.3" and the rev C 13.3" feel pretty much identical in size and weight, and footprint. They are almost identical machines, the only difference in them is the amount of flash storage, the video card, the extra USB port, the SD card slot, and the 1440x900 resolution of the new model, and the lack of backlit keyboard on the new model. Everything else about them is pretty much identical. A bit of resign to a more square backside, a new screen hinge, and the ports right on the machine instead of in a flip-down port slot on the older rev C model.

Here are some photos comparing the new 13.3" MBA (2010) to the Rev. C model (2009):

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(2010 on left, rev. C on right)

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(same shot from the side)

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(2010 on top, Rev C below)

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(2010 top, rev. C below)

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(2010 top, rev. C below)

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(Front thickness, 2010 top, rev. C below)

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(2010 top ports, rev. C ports with door open below)

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(Bottom of units, Rev. C on left, 2010 on right side)

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(top of units, side-by-side, 2010 on left, Rev. C on right)


And....

Here is another pic of the 13.3" 2010 and the 11" side-by side so you can just see the huge size difference in two, based on footprint. This proves my point again. The 11" is CONSIDERABLY much smaller and much less footprint than the 13", which seems mammoth in comparison:

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nfl46

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I am considering taking my 13" Macbook Air back and getting the 13" Macbook Pro. One thing that is important for me, is the ability to burn cd/dvds. Yes, I could buy the Superdrive for $80, but its going to be ANNOYING carrying it around. Plus thats $1,382+$85= $1,467 (This is with taxes included). I have the base 2GB Macbook Air. What do you guys think? Should I take my new Air back and get the Pro for ($1,283)...thats with taxes and everything.

So, its:

13" Macbook Air (with Superdrive) and only 2GB ram = $1,467

OR

13" Macbook Pro (4GB) = $1,283

I can't tell the difference between the screens. :( I know the Air's is better, but it not THAT much of a difference when I compared them.

And I think something is wrong with my battery. I am fully charged at 100% and it only says 3 hours and 30 minutes. Is that normal?!
 

WardC

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Here is some more photos for you, here are all three together (2010 13.3", 2009 Rev C 2.13GHz, and 11.6" Ultimate *together*):

mbatogether1.jpg


mbatogether2.jpg


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And darnit, don't you miss that backlit keyboard???

backlit.jpg
 

flynz4

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I am considering taking my 13" Macbook Air back and getting the 13" Macbook Pro. One thing that is important for me, is the ability to burn cd/dvds. Yes, I could buy the Superdrive for $80, but its going to be ANNOYING carrying it around. Plus thats $1,382+$85= $1,467 (This is with taxes included). I have the base 2GB Macbook Air. What do you guys think? Should I take my new Air back and get the Pro for ($1,283)...thats with taxes and everything.

So, its:

13" Macbook Air (with Superdrive) and only 2GB ram = $1,467

OR

13" Macbook Pro (4GB) = $1,283

I can't tell the difference between the screens. :( I know the Air's is better, but it not THAT much of a difference when I compared them.

And I think something is wrong with my battery. I am fully charged at 100% and it only says 3 hours and 30 minutes. Is that normal?!

I do not think you included an SSD in your 13.3" MBP price. For me that would be a show-stopper. I would personally need to add in the cost of an SSD when doing my calculations.. All of my laptops over the past 3 years have had SSDs... and there is no way I would want to go backwards.

A second point is that I absolutely do not want an optical drive in any laptop that I own. I just don't need it while being mobile for any of my personal uses. I would not want the weight or bulk of having it in a laptop.

/Jim
 

ReallyBigFeet

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.....compared to the 11" which feels like a tiny netbook.

That's because it IS a netbook.

Finally, someone who gets it for what it is and loves it in spite of the fact.
 

flynz4

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And darnit, don't you miss that backlit keyboard???

backlit.jpg

All in all, I like my new 11.6" MBA over my 2009 Rev C 2.13 MBA. The only real exception is the new keyboard which is significantly inferior. I will certainly replace my 11.6" once Apple refreshes the MBA with a backlit keyboard.

/Jim
 

wirelessmacuser

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Dec 20, 2009
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Can I have 500 bucks ???? :(
Nice try...ha..ha..ha.. :)

1) 13" Macbook Air (with Superdrive) and only 2GB ram = $1,467

OR

2) 13" Macbook Pro (4GB) = $1,283

3) I can't tell the difference between the screens. :( I know the Air's is better, but it not THAT much of a difference when I compared them.

4) And I think something is wrong with my battery. I am fully charged at 100% and it only says 3 hours and 30 minutes. Is that normal?!
1) Return it... you'll be very happy you did.

2) Buy it... you'll be even happier you did... :)

3) If we set tech details aside, my take on it, is whatever _you_ like or think about it is what really matters.

4) Ignore it... all brands, not just Apple are notorious for their lack of accuracy.

On a personal note, as someone who has tons of laptops, and is a big enthusiast of the Apple laptop lineup, I find the 13" MBP (I have one) an excellent laptop. Oh sure, many here on the forum love to complain that it's only a C2D chip and blah, blah, blah. But the bottom line is this is one very nice machine.

I also have a 15" 2010 Core i7 / 8GB / SSD equipped MacBook Pro (currently my main machine) and I _still_ think the 2.4GHz / 4GB / 2010 13" MBP I have is fantastic.

You simply cannot go wrong with the MBP.

Hope this helps... Cheers, :)
 

bcaslis

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That's because it IS a netbook.

Finally, someone who gets it for what it is and loves it in spite of the fact.

What exactly is it that you have against the 11"? If you don't want one fine, but you go out of your way to talk it down. In normal usage there is no speed difference between the 11" and the 13". It is not a netbook. Does the 13" give you more? Yes, but a 15" MBP gives you more than the 13" MBA. People have been giving their perspectives on using the 11". Yet you who don't have one seem to have some mission to prove the 13" better. It's different but depending on your usage it's not necessarily better.
 

Dammit Cubs

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That's because it IS a netbook.

Finally, someone who gets it for what it is and loves it in spite of the fact.

then i'll take a netbook anytime. Find a netbook that can run better than my 2.4GHZ macbook 2007. Netbook implies "internet". The 11.6 inch mba can do alot more than that.

it may look like a netbook but its not. it's certainly doesn't perform like one.
 

WardC

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then i'll take a netbook anytime. Find a netbook that can run better than my 2.4GHZ macbook 2007. Netbook implies "internet". The 11.6 inch mba can do alot more than that.

it may look like a netbook but its not. it's certainly doesn't perform like one.

I think my 11.6" performs better than my old 2007 2.4GHz Santa Rosa MacBook Pro, which I sold on eBay. The big advantage here is the solid state drive, but even if I had a solid state drive on my old MacBook Pro, the 11.6" would still probably be better due to improvements in the video card and the flash technology used in these machines. It is so snappy, it loads photoshop in about 3 seconds and boots in about 12 seconds. Safari, Firefox, and Chrome all load instantly, and web pages render lightning fast. I have the 1.6GHz model but I assume the 1.4GHz one performs almost as good, given it uses the flash too and there is only a 200MHz speed difference. It's a full powered notebook, not a netbook by any means, but the FOOTPRINT is like that of a netbook, it feels like a netbook when you carry it's is super-thin, super-light, and super-small, but I can run every single Mac program that a 12-core Mac Pro could run, including Adobe CS5, FinalCut, and Logic, and games like Starcraft 2 and Call of Duty 4. It's fully equipped to do EVERYTHING you could do on any Mac or even Windows for that matter. You can't say the same for a real "netbook" -- you can't run any of that on an Atom, it would CHOKE.
 

Dammit Cubs

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i'm starting to get this idea that people can't understand why you want an 11 over a 13 or have both. They are completely different machines. From just reading every post from this conversations, alot of people are thinking of using their 13 as their primary computer and replacing their macbook pros.

I don't see people doing that with 11. 11 is your secondary computer and it's ultra portable. On that note, it may be only 0.6 lighter, but its also more compact and that may not mean much to alot of people but people who value size, they are paying a premium. This isn't anything new. Smaller component computers are always worth more, especially when the quality of the build is way better than some crappy netbook. Carrying the 11.6 MBA through an airport felt like i was carrying an ipad. You can't say that about a 13.3 MBA.

They are totally different. If i was gonna work on my MBA for hours upon hours per day, the 13 is no brainer. But then again...if I as working hours upon hours on a 13 inch screen, i would just plug it into a monitor. Both aren't really helpful in the long scheme of things.
 

BeachChair

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Apr 11, 2008
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I am going to try to give a quick review of my experiences owning both the 11.6" and 13.3" "Ultimate" MacBook Air models. I got my 11.6" delivered on Monday of this week, and I just purchased a 13.3" from the Apple Store yesterday. Here is what I have found, experienced, and have to share about real-life experience working with and comparing these units so far.

So 4GB models are available in stores now?
 

iRun26.2

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ReallyBigFeet's Negativity

What exactly is it that you have against the 11"? If you don't want one fine, but you go out of your way to talk it down. In normal usage there is no speed difference between the 11" and the 13". It is not a netbook. Does the 13" give you more? Yes, but a 15" MBP gives you more than the 13" MBA. People have been giving their perspectives on using the 11". Yet you who don't have one seem to have some mission to prove the 13" better. It's different but depending on your usage it's not necessarily better.

I know! I'm tired of his (ReallyBigFeet) negative comments on almost every thread regarding the 11" model MBA.

The 13" MBA is a great machine (and I once thought I'd definitely be getting it) but there are valid reasons why someone would want to choose the 11" model instead (and this is by people who do more than just surf the Internet).

It is like he gets a commission from Apple for every person he can get to purchase the 13" version of the MBA! :)
 
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ditosou

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hummmmmmmm

Just a comment....

I honestly do not understand the discussion trying to conclude the best conf: 11" or 13" MBA.

They are different machines and have distinct purposes... if the 11" MBA had a performance similar to the 13 MBA and a screen usability similar to the 13" MBA then ALL MAC USERS WILL CHOOSE THE MBA 11" and stop purchasing any other model (Macbook, Macbook pro etc.).

So it is obvious that the 13 MBA is a more powerful machine and has a more appropriate screen to long-work. No discussion about that...

Given that I have to say that I will go to the 11" MBA configuration... it is just a perfect and powerful netbook... ideal for extreme portability, which is my main objective.
 

ReallyBigFeet

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Oh please, I've not denigrated the 11" in any manner, not in this thread or elsewhere. In fact I just said above that I was happy to find someone who LOVED the 11" for being a netbook and recognized it properly for what it is.

All Apple has done, Jobs' comments notwithstanding, is to introduce a premium priced Netbook to their lineup.

But for whatever reason, 11" MBA owners appear to have a serious problem with the label "Netbook" being applied to THEIR purchase as it somehow is seen as an insult? Its a computer for crying out loud...not a condemnation of your lifestyle choice or whatever. Is owning a premium netbook a smear against your sense of decorum and fine taste? Its like calling beer a "malt beverage" or something. And thats the crux of this entire argument. It has nothing to do with the device itself...it has everything to do with your feelings. Calling a MBA a netbook hurts your feelings apparently?

If it hurts your feelings that I call your premium netbook a netbook, no matter how GREAT of a premium netbook it is, then give it a different name and I'll start using that. Because clearly, many of you have some real hangups about anyone calling your stuff names that you think negatively impact your self-esteem.

Just a comment....

....

Given that I have to say that I will go to the 11" MBA configuration... it is just a perfect and powerful netbook... ideal for extreme portability, which is my main objective.

While you may be accused of krezy talk for saying that, I applaud your level-headed summarization. The 11" MBA, in my eyes, is the best netbook on the marketplace today. In fact, I've said here and elsewhere that I suspect that Apple just turned the netbook marketplace on its ear and you'll start seeing all sorts of copycat solutions from Sony, Dell and other rushing to slim down their current selections, improve their screens and come to market with "Apple netbook killers." And Jobs' comments were simply his re-writing of the facts once again. By claiming that Apple wouldn't produce a cheap netbook...he was totally right! They produced, instead, a PREMIUM netbook at a PREMIUM price. And look at the fans! They've already so personalized their choice that they are DEFENSIVE if someone even tries to label it for what it is.

Bravo sir. You obviously have not only fine taste in choosing an 11" premium netbook, but you have the maturity to not worry about the label. Something so many others here appear to be lacking.
 
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gwsat

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What exactly is it that you have against the 11"? If you don't want one fine, but you go out of your way to talk it down. In normal usage there is no speed difference between the 11" and the 13". It is not a netbook. Does the 13" give you more? Yes, but a 15" MBP gives you more than the 13" MBA. People have been giving their perspectives on using the 11". Yet you who don't have one seem to have some mission to prove the 13" better. It's different but depending on your usage it's not necessarily better.
If you had been following some other threads you would understand that ReallyBigFeet does not to demean the 11 inch MBA by calling it a "netbook." As long as it is understood that the 11 inch MBA is a new kind of "netbook," far more capable and powerful than the netbooks that Steve Jobs disparaged, I agree that it's fine to call the 11 inch MBA a "netbook." The 11 inch MBA, as nice as it is, is a specialty machine, entirely unsuited for many users. I am one such user.

I put off buying an MBA before I thought there was finally one available that had the resources to handle running Windows 7 in VMware Fusion's Unity mode so that a combination of at least 6 Windows and OS X could be open and running at all times with both stability and speed. The first requirement for such a setup was storage that could accommodate 125GB of programs and data on day one. This immediately eliminated the 11 inch MBA from my consideration because of its being limited to 128GB of storage. The 13 inch MBA's 256GB of storage satisfied my needs comfortably.

After using my 13 inch MBA as my full time computer for nearly 10 days, I have concluded that its 13 inch display is about the minimum my aging eyes can deal with all day every day. I fear that the 11 inch model's small screen would be entirely inappropriate for me to use as a full time, all day every day, machine.

Although the 11 inch MBA is a specialty machine, it is a dandy one. For example, if the $999.00 entry level MBA had been available when I bought my iPad, I would have bought the MBA instead of the iPad. Would I still like to have an 11 inch MBA to replace the iPad as a Web surfing and backup machine? You bet I would. This being the Real World, however, I am using my 13 inch MBA as a replacement for the iPad, as I am using it as a replacement for my MBP. The 13 inch MBA has turned out to a decent compromise as a substitute for the iPad. I concede, though, that the 11 inch MBA is a better iPad substitute.

It's worth repeating that there is much to be said for both the 11 inch MBA and the 13 inch Model and that which model one choses will be governed by how it will be used.
 

Whimsy

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Thanks for all your insight and great real-world reviews! I also have a previous generation MBA, thinking of upgrading, and am deciding whether or not I want an 11 or 13 inch - and this really helps.

I also don't get people's need to call the 11 inch a netbook, when it clearly is not.

Oh - and thanks for the great pictures too!


All in all, I like my new 11.6" MBA over my 2009 Rev C 2.13 MBA. The only real exception is the new keyboard which is significantly inferior. I will certainly replace my 11.6" once Apple refreshes the MBA with a backlit keyboard.

/Jim

Is the keyboard only inferior in the fact that the backlighting is missing? I was at Best Buy, and the 11 inch's keyboard felt a lot "cheaper"? I don't know if it was just hammered on as it was the floor model. The 13 inch MBA I'm on - the keyboard feels a lot more "supple".
 

Scott6666

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I don't think ReallyBigFeet's labeling it as a netbook really denigrates it. It does seem to have more a form factor and feel of a netbook rather than a laptop. The screen aspect ratio alone gives it that kind of feel.

But by netbook here I mean just a really light and portable form factor that has some compromise relative to traditional laptop. The compromise that I see is the tiny screen and it's aspect ratio that based on other threads is somewhat difficult for some people to work with.

What's great about the 11" relative to the netbooks that we are used to seeing is that there are few other compromises. I have a hard time seeing why I need to augment my 15" with a 13" but I am really considering adding a 11". It's really very different. I don't think I could replace my 15" with an 11" but I could see replacing it with a 13". I think this is why so many people are agonizing over which one to get. Replace or augment?

I have a bunch of netbooks that I have from work that I would never considering using but the Air is a very usable computer in that very different form factor.

So I don't always agree with RBF, I think people are too rabid on his labeling in this case. It does hint towards the 11" being a different being than a traditional laptop without inventing a new term for it.
 
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