Extremely Serious Question: Can I trust Apple with my personal information?

[mazdamiata210]

I just finished a post edit, you may want to revist the post as there is information that pertains to the discussion.

Well... if you believe that then... there's no hope lol

Do you believe the corporations and government entities spying on you telling you "hey nothing to see here!" or do you believe the whistle blower who sacrificed his life and well paying job to alert the world of what was going on? Trust me, they're still spying and still able to get into our phones within minutes. That whole terrorist phone plot was a sham to prop up Apple and give consumers confidence that they are "secure". It's a political and corporate sham to push an agenda.

 

[deany]

Well... if you believe that then... there's no hope lol

Do you believe the corporations and government entities spying on you telling you "hey nothing to see here!" or do you believe the whistle blower who sacrificed his life and well paying job to alert the world of what was going on? Trust me, they're still spying and still able to get into our phones within minutes. That whole terrorist phone plot was a sham to prop up Apple and give consumers confidence that they are "secure". It's a political and corporate sham to push an agenda.

I must say it seems odd that the Israeli company Cellebrite that cracked the San Bernardino iPhone were already a client of the FBI

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...work-with-israel-s-cellebrite-to-crack-iphone

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4782246,00.html

Yet there was legal rangling that went on for 2 months.
Why not just ask apple once? then go to exisiting client Cellebrite, Israel.

With the iPhone iCloud data already with the FBI - the iPhones data on the device since the last backup to iCloud was clearly crucial to the case - then why wait 2 months?

It appears

• iCloud data is not 100% 'safe' in iCloud as per page one thread link http://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests/
• FBI and other Goverment clients of Cellebrite can gain access to data on any iPhone or android phone
• The 2 month legal rangling makes no sense

Some will say yes but thats only in the case of potential criminals but will that change in the future if there was a new CEO at apple.

 

[addamas]

If you aware of private data leakage don't use Google services without proper adblocker and Facebook (read terms of use ).

Apple is in some kind secure. iMessages are well made and point-to-point encrypted. Not like Messanger

 

[I7guy]

Well... if you believe that then... there's no hope lol

Do you believe the corporations and government entities spying on you telling you "hey nothing to see here!" or do you believe the whistle blower who sacrificed his life and well paying job to alert the world of what was going on? Trust me, they're still spying and still able to get into our phones within minutes. That whole terrorist phone plot was a sham to prop up Apple and give consumers confidence that they are "secure". It's a political and corporate sham to push an agenda.

Well if you don't believe that, there's no hope lol. Basically based on the size of one's tin foil hat, they can believe whatever they want.

In fact you're entire last sentence smacks of the traditional "tin foil conspiracy". What you don't see can hurt you.

Snowden did bring unsavory government practices to the public, but that doesn't mean every company in the US has allowed the NSA to plug into their computer system, or installed back-doors on their devices to aid wire-tapping.

 

[sunking101]

Smartphones are the best spying devices known to man, and what's more we actually pay for the privilege to be spied upon. Our masters must be guffawing heartily that we pay for our handsets plus a monthly airtime subscription.

 

[mazdamiata210]

Yet there was legal rangling that went on for 2 months.
Why not just ask apple once? then go to exisiting client Cellebrite, Israel.

With the iPhone iCloud data already with the FBI - the iPhones data on the device since the last backup to iCloud was clearly crucial to the case - then why wait 2 months?

As I said, it was a show for the consumers who use these products so we don't lose trust in Apple.
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Snowden did bring unsavory government practices to the public, but that doesn't mean every company in the US has allowed the NSA to plug into their computer system, or installed back-doors on their devices to aid wire-tapping.

Then you obviously didn't do much research into what Snowden leaked and what the cryptology and security world has said since the leak.

 

[I7guy]

As I said, it was a show for the consumers who use these products so we don't lose trust in Apple.
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Then you obviously didn't do much research into what Snowden leaked and what the cryptology and security world has said since the leak.

Or I did and that is my opinion. But how big is the tin foil hat here.

 

[mazdamiata210]

Or I did and that is my opinion. But how big is the tin foil hat here.

There is no hat. It's black and white proof lol. Apple gave access to the NSA. If you think they just one day said sorry no more access for you then you are mistaken.

 

[IowaLynn]

Secure smart phones needed by those that really need it to conduct government or financial bussiness turn to devices to do the job but are not your under $10,000 and consumer grade phones.

And really is a small price to pay to have secure communications.

 

[I7guy]

There is no hat. It's black and white proof lol. Apple gave access to the NSA. If you think they just one day said sorry no more access for you then you are mistaken.

Proof of what? No doubt things are going on and IMO its out of control, but can you say exactly what apple is giving to the NSA, if anything? Do you have any proof or just casting wide net of hyperbole?

 

[mazdamiata210]

Proof of what? No doubt things are going on and IMO its out of control, but can you say exactly what apple is giving to the NSA, if anything? Do you have any proof or just casting wide net of hyperbole?

Seriously? Did you not pay attention to anything about PRISM? If that's what we know, then what don't we know? What is Apple giving to the NSA? If it is online, the NSA has it. Pictures, messages, emails, videos, phone calls, online profiles, banking info, online purchases, you name it - they have it.

 

[I7guy]

Seriously? Did you not pay attention to anything about PRISM? If that's what we know, then what don't we know? What is Apple giving to the NSA? If it is online, the NSA has it. Pictures, messages, emails, videos, phone calls, online profiles, banking info, online purchases, you name it - they have it.

Prove it. How is Apple getting the pictures off my phone to send to the NSA. What backdoor is there in the end to end encryption whereby Apple is siphoning off my messages to get to the NSA? Phone calls, yeah, courtesy of Verizon not Apple.banking info, courtesy of the IRS. What exactly is Apple sending and how are they doing it?

 

[mazdamiata210]

Prove it. How is Apple getting the pictures off my phone to send to the NSA. What backdoor is there in the end to end encryption whereby Apple is siphoning off my messages to get to the NSA? Phone calls, yeah, courtesy of Verizon not Apple.banking info, courtesy of the IRS. What exactly is Apple sending and how are they doing it?

Apple has the encryption keys used to encrypt your stuff, the NSA has access to those servers... Seriously do some research lol I'm not going to inform you on how Apple and almost every other major communications/electronic company is working with the NSA. I did the research and spent hours reading and learning. If you want to know, you do it too.

http://bfy.tw/98J0

 

[I7guy]

Apple has the encryption keys used to encrypt your stuff, the NSA has access to those servers... Seriously do some research lol I'm not going to inform you on how Apple and almost every other major communications/electronic company is working with the NSA. I did the research and spent hours reading and learning. If you want to know, you do it too.

http://bfy.tw/98J0

That doesn't answer the question. ( I don't click on obfuscated links) saying they have the keys and hand everything over is not an answer.

 

[timeconsumer]

Prove it. How is Apple getting the pictures off my phone to send to the NSA. What backdoor is there in the end to end encryption whereby Apple is siphoning off my messages to get to the NSA? Phone calls, yeah, courtesy of Verizon not Apple.banking info, courtesy of the IRS. What exactly is Apple sending and how are they doing it?

I don't think he/she can prove that Apple is providing this information to the NSA, just as you cannot prove that they aren't. You're both likely wasting your time discussing this.

 

[I7guy]

I don't think he/she can prove that Apple is providing this information to the NSA, just as you cannot prove that they aren't. You're both likely wasting your time discussing this.

Exactly. Someone stating this as an opinion is very different than stating this as a "fact". We likely will never know.

 

[magicMac]

In reality, iCloud is more secure than a USB hard drive

 

[joeblow7777]

Apple may be spying on you. Google may be spying on you. The government may be spying on you...

I know that saying if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be worried isn't the best response, but that's sort of what it boils down to. Am I going to avoid the convenience of online services and modern communication because someone who has no reason to pick me out of a sea of millions might be able to see my vacation pics, or read the entirely mundane messages I send to family and friends, or where I last used Apple Pay to buy take-out? The simple truth is that almost none of us are worth the effort and resources to spy on.

 

[BeautifulWoman_1984]

In reality, iCloud is more secure than a USB hard drive

Wow really?

I've never heard that before.

How is it more secure?

 

[Apple_Robert]

Wow really?

I've never heard that before.

How is it more secure?

In order to access your iCloud, someone has to know your email address and password. And if you have two-factor authentication turned on, (and I hope you do) it also requires having access to a trusted device.

A USB drive is more readily accessible to more people than just yourself. And unless you have the drive encrypted, the data contained therein can be harvested. USB drives can also fail without warning, be stolen, and damaged due to fire, water and other acts of God.

 

[BeautifulWoman_1984]

Thank you!

I just turned on "two-factor authentication", but I'm not sure how it makes my device more secure?

 

[Critycal]

If you buy a smartphone these days you have to pay for it with your personal information. The most common operating systems are iOS and Android. So you will have to make a "tough" choice. Giving your personal details to a manufacturer (Apple), or to a marketeer (Google)? It is up to you

 

[baypharm]

Well if you don't believe that, there's no hope lol. Basically based on the size of one's tin foil hat, they can believe whatever they want.

In fact you're entire last sentence smacks of the traditional "tin foil conspiracy". What you don't see can hurt you.

Snowden did bring unsavory government practices to the public, but that doesn't mean every company in the US has allowed the NSA to plug into their computer system, or installed back-doors on their devices to aid wire-tapping.

"Allowed the NSA to plug into their systems"? The U.S government can and does monitor all cellular activities, emails, journals, etc. Go back and re-read some of my postings from years ago....their capabilities are far more advanced that what most of us know or want to believe. Keep your data off the cloud at all costs. And do not rely on hard drives/flash drives either.

 

[I7guy]

"Allowed the NSA to plug into their systems"? The U.S government can and does monitor all cellular activities, emails, journals, etc. Go back and re-read some of my postings from years ago....their capabilities are far more advanced that what most of us know or want to believe. Keep your data off the cloud at all costs. And do not rely on hard drives/flash drives either.

That is not what I said. I don't know if the NSA is plugged into my isp VZW or not, my guess yes, but the statement was with regard to apple. Of course it's easier to say the government has more advanced programs than what we know, rather than anything else.

 

[5268282]

I "trust" Apple more than Google. Apple wasn't built upon ads and marketing and then evolve into software like Google.

I was a heavy user of Catch Notes (which Apple purchased) and use no other service. I put more trust into Apple's ecosystem then having a third party service like Evernote or any other note application out there. You have no idea how secure those app's servers are.

That fact that Apple hasn't been "hacked" is also reassuring, unlike other big tech companies.