iPhone X Face ID is crap....

[Tsuchiya]

Touch ID wasn’t perfect but it was pretty damn close. Enough that most of the time I barely noticed it on my 7 Plus.

Considering shortening my passcode just for convenience, constantly entering a 6 digit pin because Face ID doesn’t want to play nice is a pain in the ass.

 

[PieTunes]

If you just believe anything a PR company spokesperson says then I got a good price on a bridge for you

And 9/11 was an inside job, and vaccines cause autism.

Apparently the large company/group/organization can’t be trusted because of the simple virtue of them being a large evil entity whose allegedly sole motive is to screw people over and lie and cheat and steal or whatever to get our money. So let’s instead trust others who have no hand in the actual development or research of the product in question.

 

[Applejuiced]

It’s a far better source than somebody posting on an Internet forum with no inside sources

But obviously it's one sided source listening to PR statements from the company
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being a large evil entity whose allegedly sole motive is to screw people over and lie and cheat and steal or whatever to get our money.

And you find that hard to believe why?
Companies look after their own interests, not yours.

 

[ipponrg]

And 9/11 was an inside job, and vaccines cause autism.

Apparently the large company/group/organization can’t be trusted because of the simple virtue of them being a large evil entity whose allegedly sole motive is to screw people over and lie and cheat and steal or whatever to get our money. So let’s instead trust others who have no hand in the actual development or research of the product in question.

If you've worked in tech companies whether as an engineer or as product, you would know that PRs are usually a half-truth spin on things. It's like attending an All Hands meeting or talking to a consultant

Not saying Apple is lying, but I would take those as a grain of salt.

 

[eoblaed]

I’ve had my X for just under a week. So far FaceID has been exemplary so much more reliable than TouchID ever was for me at least.

Perhaps this lends some credibility to the idea that newer devices have better FaceID performance? Who knows?
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Interesting I’ll jsve to try with with my QC35s to see I can replicate.

Nah.

I’ve had my X since launch day and FaceID has been nearly perfect for me since then. Same with my son.

I have no idea why the OP has so many issues with his. That’s clearly not the typical user experience.

 

[newellj]

biting into a big sandwich and trying to unlock at the same time.

You get the prize for discovering the most novel way to trip up FaceID.

 

[HeatherA]

A lot of people (myself included) do not have problems with FaceID if they hold the phone pointed towards their face, from a foot to an arms length away from their face. Mine will work 99% of the time like that. The issue most of us have, is when the phone is in other situations. If it is not pointed towards your phone.

For example. You are sitting at an office desk with the phone on a wireless charger. Before, with TouchID, one could simply leave the phone flat on the table, use the TouchID to view everything on their screen. This is impossible with FaceID, one would have to lean over the table, to get their face in view of the FaceID sensor.

Anther example, laying in bed/couch. If you have the phone off angle you have to move the phone and your face to get it into view of the sensor.

Last example (there are more than 3 real world examples), if you have a car mount, that points towards the back fo the car/truck/SUV without it being angled towards you. You now have to remove the phone from the mount to unlock the phone. Before anyone goes crazy, use the situation where you pull over, are parked, and need to enter a GPS address in Apple Maps.

The iPhone X has a brilliant OLED display, one of the major benefits to an OLED display is viewing angle. By not having as wide a FaceID sensor angle as the effective angle of the screen, it becomes an adjustment. I personally have no doubt that the viewing angle will improve either via Software or Hardware. In the end, there will be less and less situations where FaceID requires a certain set of parameters. It just would have been nice, if when we bought a $1K+ phone, we had the option of using a TouchID in addition, to the new generation 1 FaceID tech.

Interesting that you would say that... I had two experiences where I was blown away... one I had my hand half covering the phone and wasn't even trying to unlock it so it was at a weird angle from my face and it unlocked, the other was laying in a pitch black bedroom last night and marveling at how well it was unlocking. My experience today has been about 90% perfect unlocking with 10% failure. Not too bad for my first full day with the phone.

 

[PieTunes]

And you find that hard to believe why?Companies look after their own interests, not yours.

I’m quite aware. Everyone, every person, every entity, is looking out for their own interests. If that’s the case, why bother trusting any source? Why bother trusting the people who say that Apple (allegedly) was going to put Touch ID under the glass but changed it last minute (allegedly)? Why should people believe their word over Apple’s? I don’t blindly follow or believe the word of anyone, Apple or otherwise, without proof, and so far Apple’s proof is a bit more concrete than alleged rumors from outside sources. Whatever the case, I love the ease of use of Face ID, it’s fast and almost flawless and unobtrusive for me, just like Touch ID was fast and almost flawless and unobtrusive.

 

[44267547]

It’s a far better source than somebody posting on an Internet forum with no inside sources

When I read quotes like "Face ID was rushed" and "touch ID was ditched last minute", there is zero credibility behind statements like this on a tech forum. Nor does anyone work on Apples engineering team to even make a statement like that. Statements like that are just resentment from those upset about touch ID.

 

[JT2002TJ]

When I read quotes like "Face ID was rushed" and "touch ID was ditched last minute", there is zero credibility behind statements like this on a tech forum. Nor does anyone work on Apples engineering team to even make a statement like that. Statements like that are just resentment from those upset about touch ID.

Just wondering... Yes people are speculating that, FaceID was rushed, and TouchID was ditched. Do you have any proof that it wasn't? Or are you speculating just like they are...

This is macROUMORS, right? Not macFACTS...

 

[44267547]

J Do you have any proof that it wasn't? Or are you speculating just like they are...

Please don't play this what if game. If you have been paying attention at all in the last two months, then you would know Apple interviews and comments they have talked about vastly about Face ID altogether. And when you say "They", You mean How both Craig Federighi and Dan Riccio both have discussed Face ID and amount of in research and development that they invested into it. Or simply that they did experiment with touch ID under the display, as Face ID was always the primary goal and they been in touch ID once Face ID was operating as intended. That's a ridiculous assumption that anyone would say Face ID was rushed. ESpecially given testing it's security enhancements thoroughly.

Some like to think they truly know behind the scenes of what Apple does and how much time they invested millions of dollars of engineering into Face ID. But just because they decided not to use touch ID, everybody pushes their ownnarrative on Apple as to why they chose Face ID.

And if you reply to this post, please don't rebuttal with something silly like "How do you know you're not lying or being truthful? " I would suggest you back research this topic before insinuating anything.


Source:
https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_and_observations

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/31/apple-dismisses-touch-id-under-display-rumors/amp/

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/15/i...ers-some-burning-questions-about-face-id/amp/

 

[deuxani]

Just wondering... Yes people are speculating that, FaceID was rushed, and TouchID was ditched. Do you have any proof that it wasn't? Or are you speculating just like they are...

The proof is in the iPhone X. FaceID works so well, not just for a 1st generation feature, but as an authentication feature and TouchID replacement by itself. And on top of that, if you think about the complexity of the tech and software behind it, how can you even think of a word as "rushed" to describe it. To create something as sophisticated, quick and working so smoothly takes months/years. So to me that's enough "proof" that FaceID is not rushed.

"Proof" that TouchID under the screen wasn't ditched last minute is seen in any other phone on the market. Where are the under screen fingerprint scanners? They don't exist on the market. That tech isn't near ready and even newly rumoured 2018 phones won't have it. This tech (even now and in the near future) is not working quickly enough, it causes colour difference in the screen and it is not ready for mass market production, so obviously Apple could've never been seriously considering this till the last minute (which would be somewhere in June or July, almost a half year ago).

On top of that, when you have to prepare not a couple of thousand, but millions of phone, you can't just last minute decide to change your entire plans and replace something as important as your authentication method. But of course anyone can believe what they want. Some believe the earth is flat too, no way of convincing them otherwise.

 

[Jmausmuc]

I love Face ID. It works almost perfectly for me.
Especially now, in winter, it is amazing not to have to take my gloves off.

 

[JT2002TJ]

The proof is in the iPhone X. FaceID works so well, not just for a 1st generation feature, but as an authentication feature and TouchID replacement by itself. And on top of that, if you think about the complexity of the tech and software behind it, how can you even think of a word as "rushed" to describe it. To create something as sophisticated, quick and working so smoothly takes months/years. So to me that's enough "proof" that FaceID is not rushed.

"Proof" that TouchID under the screen wasn't ditched last minute is seen in any other phone on the market. Where are the under screen fingerprint scanners? They don't exist on the market. That tech isn't near ready and even newly rumoured 2018 phones won't have it. This tech (even now and in the near future) is not working quickly enough, it causes colour difference in the screen and it is not ready for mass market production, so obviously Apple could've never been seriously considering this till the last minute (which would be somewhere in June or July, almost a half year ago).

On top of that, when you have to prepare not a couple of thousand, but millions of phone, you can't just last minute decide to change your entire plans and replace something as important as your authentication method. But of course anyone can believe what they want. Some believe the earth is flat too, no way of convincing them otherwise.

Do you think that Volkswagen Audi Group (VAG) planned to fake the emissions for their diesel vehicles from the initial design phase? Or do you think it was a last minute, we have to release these vehicles, but we can't pass the EPA's emissions test thing?

Even in one of the largest manufactures in the world, plans change up until the last minute, and sometimes not for the best...

 

[Jmausmuc]

Do you think that Volkswagen Audi Group (VAG) planned to fake the emissions for their diesel vehicles from the initial design phase? Or do you think it was a last minute, we have to release these vehicles, but we can't pass the EPA's emissions test thing?

Even in one of the largest manufactures in the world, plans change up until the last minute, and sometimes not for the best...

Have you looked at the implementations from other manufacturers?
I am pretty sure it took a long time to develop Face ID. It would be almost impossible that Apple developed this as a second thought.

 

[newellj]

Have you looked at the implementations from other manufacturers?
I am pretty sure it took a long time to develop Face ID. It would be almost impossible that Apple developed this as a second thought.

Gad, that is so self-evidently true that it shouldn't even need to be said. I have user complaints about FaceID, but they have nothing to do at all with the basic tech itself. Apple has clearly been working on this for years, and there is absolutely nothing about this that suggests that it was released before it was ready for release as a mature technology. Even all of Apple's financial and human resources couldn't whip up FaceID in a year.

 

[deuxani]

Do you think that Volkswagen Audi Group (VAG) planned to fake the emissions for their diesel vehicles from the initial design phase? Or do you think it was a last minute, we have to release these vehicles, but we can't pass the EPA's emissions test thing?

Even in one of the largest manufactures in the world, plans change up until the last minute, and sometimes not for the best...

So how was this reference relevant to my post (or the entire discussion for that matter)? If it's is a comparison, then it doesn't make any sense. Did you even read any of my points? I tried to argue why there is no reason to call FaceID rushed. Of course some companies make some changes at the last minute in some cases, but not including TouchID under the screen wasn't one of them.

 

[44267547]

Do you think that Volkswagen Audi Group (VAG) planned to fake the emissions for their diesel vehicles from the initial design phase?

And this comment has no relevance at all in comparison to Face ID with a car analogy. Not even close. You're not factoring the amount of time and millions of dollars of research and development into Face ID, contrary to what you believe is "last-minute".

 

[macsrcool1234]

fully agree with this post. it has gotten better over time but i still spend far more time putting my code in then with touchid
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FaceID > TouchID

FaceID is the present and the future.

cringe

 

[macsrcool1234]

And this surprises you why?

Uh, because touchid doesn't have the same limitation?

 

[JT2002TJ]

So how was this reference relevant to my post (or the entire discussion for that matter)? If it's is a comparison, then it doesn't make any sense. Did you even read any of my points? I tried to argue why there is no reason to call FaceID rushed. Of course some companies make some changes at the last minute in some cases, but not including TouchID under the screen wasn't one of them.

How do you know the bold part? You have just as much proof as everyone else’s speculations.

You miss understood my point. It wasn’t that FaceID was last a last minute addition, to was that TouchID was a last minute exclusion. I am not saying it is true, I am saying it is as plausible as your theory that Apple never intended to include it from the beginning.

The VAG reference was proof that, plans can change up until the last minute. Who knows, it is quite possible that in the 23rd hour it was decided that their prototype with TouchID under the glass didn’t perform to an acceptable standard and was scrapped.

I have 0 issues with my FaceID, AS LONG AS I use it within a foot to an arm’s length of my face, and within a few degrees of pointed directly at my face. I have no doubt they worked on it for years, and personally think they did a good job for a 1st gen. There will no doubt be significant improvements with the next iteration of FaceID.

 

[newellj]

Back on topic...

At the suggestion of one of the posts here, I rescanned my face today and I did it differently than the several times I've done it previously. I held the camera literally all the way out at arm's length. I'd done the earlier scans fairly close up, with my face filling the scan circle. At arm's length, my face seemed surprising small in the circle.

It's hard to say for sure, but the scanning seems to be a little more tolerant. I'll try to keep tabs on how FID runs over the next few days.

 

[eyeseeyou]

When it works it awesome.

When it doesn’t I think, this never happened with Touch ID unless my finger was dirty or wet.

 

[- rob -]

The X is a good phone, but Face ID is not as reliable as Touch ID on the iPhone 7.

I bet Apple has plenty of data to show this, too.

 

[ajguckian]

Only issues I've had with FaceID is in bed, with my face half buried in my pillow trying to open it. Probably not a bad thing. The best part for me is how easy it is to open after working out and getting sweaty. I could never get touch ID to work the 10-20 minutes after a workout or shower.

On the Bluetooth front, only issue I've had is with my Garmin 920xt. I've had to reset the connection a couple of times. very good chance that's Garmin's fault though.