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Was this (video) a fair method to compare Face ID with Touch ID?

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TechNismo

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Many people have performed comparison tests between Face ID and Touch ID second generation. There are not as many videos using first gen Touch ID. Thus, I made a small video of a comparison test with the iPhone 5s Touch ID vs iPhone X Face ID (Both first generation hardware). The test includes speed, advantages, disadvantages and cool features about Face ID and Touch ID. Hope you guys enjoy the video, please proceed reading after watching the video (if you have time to do so).
Video Timing:
Speed Test- 0:27
Advantage/Features of Touch ID- 1:51
Advantage/Features of Face ID- 2:39
Conclusion- 3:49
First of all, what are your opinions/thoughts? Second, when doing this experiment, I was having a hard time finding out if turning off “Require Attention” actually helps speed Face ID up, and if it makes it a bit faster than Touch ID first gen. Kept getting different results (Starts at 1:20, in the video). Third, is this a fair method to compare Face ID with Touch ID? Lastly, after seeing these results, Face ID is not actually all that slower, than first generation Touch ID, thus I believe Apple will improve Face ID over time. All in all, I just made this video for fun. Hope you guys enjoyed it. What should I film next?
 
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Vermifuge

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Having used a plus with Touch ID for many years moving to the X was a breeze. I would say when you have raise to wake enabled along with Face ID the phone is often unlocked before needing to access it.
 

Hal~9000

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Not a dealbreaker but I’m hoping that sometime in a future iOS update that Apple allows the option to have FaceID not only unlock the phone... but also go straight to the home screen as well without having to deal with swipe to unlock.

Right now it’s hard to beat the speed of TouchID when “rest finger to open” is enabled in the accessibility settings. This enables you to be at the home screen. Makes it so your phone is ready to go as soon as you look at your device without the extra step of the swipe to unlock.
 

TechNismo

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Would it be that hard to just tell us the findings instead of making us watch a long video?
Not everyone will believe the results, unless there is prof. Just stating the results will end up turning the discussion into an argument of what people "believe" because anyone can say they tested it out and make up facts/results.
And jump straight to 4:25 in the video. It is a conclusion that highlights the results, if you just want to see that. That should save you the time!
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Not a dealbreaker but I’m hoping that sometime in a future iOS update that Apple allows the option to have FaceID not only unlock the phone... but also go straight to the home screen as well without having to deal with swipe to unlock.
The only thing at worries me about this is that it is going to keep unlocking even when you just want to check the time. With Touch ID, you can raise to wake or use the power button to turn on the display and view notification and the time even with "reset finger to open" turned on. But with Face ID, any of these turning on the display options, will also cause the phone to unlock, since your looking at the display.
 
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Hal~9000

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The only thing at worries me about this is that it is going to keep unlocking even when you just want to check the time. With Touch ID, you can raise to wake or use the power button to turn on the display and view notification and the time even with "reset finger to open" turned on. But with Face ID, any of these turning on the display options, will also cause the phone to unlock, since your looking at the display.

That’s why I said I hope they simply have it as an option ;)

Most customers would probably not use it since it would be off by default and buried by the settings... but it would be nice to have for those who don’t care about seeing notifications on the lock screen and would rather just get to their home screen without the additional swipe to unlock.

Minor of course and not a dealbreaker, but still just a future hope of mine :)
 
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TechNismo

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This. I can't stand watching tech videos in general - if I hear one more person say "with that being said" in a futile effort to sound intelligent, I think I'll rip my face off.
Mute the volume, jump straight to 4:25 in the video. It is a written conclusion of the results, of what each performed well in. Hope that helps!
 

Hal~9000

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This. I can't stand watching tech videos in general - if I hear one more person say "with that being said" in a futile effort to sound intelligent, I think I'll rip my face off.

I’ve come to groan at most YouTube phone “reviews” as well over the years. Most simply regurgitate the spec sheet while providing no additional information beyond whatever marketing Apple feeds them. Only a few give additional helpful information not covered in the keynote via genuine testing (exp: Erica Griffin). Worst for me is why they say general nonsense like “battery life is good”... ummmm... HOW GOOD? What the hell does that even mean for me if you can’t even tell me what the screen on time was or settings you were using
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I get it though. Most are just trying to develop a following and I’m not busting their chops too much, just that a lot of YouTube reviewers don’t provide any real substance or opinions... simply regurgitation for page clicks.

P.S. the video OP linked doesn’t fall under my groan category since it’s actually providing somewhat beneficial info via testing... mainly was just on my soapbox about “review” videos :p
 

zipster

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I have the X and Face ID is definitely more cumbersome than Touch ID, for sure. I DO like that the notifications aren't revealed until it detects your face -- great feature.
 
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Vermifuge

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The only thing at worries me about this is that it is going to keep unlocking even when you just want to check the time. With Touch ID, you can raise to wake or use the power button to turn on the display and view notification and the time even with "reset finger to open" turned on. But with Face ID, any of these turning on the display options, will also cause the phone to unlock, since your looking at the display.

The X has OLED, Apple could enable an always on time and date display. Option 2: get an Apple Watch LOL.
 

gpoop

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Not a dealbreaker but I’m hoping that sometime in a future iOS update that Apple allows the option to have FaceID not only unlock the phone... but also go straight to the home screen as well without having to deal with swipe to unlock.

Right now it’s hard to beat the speed of TouchID when “rest finger to open” is enabled in the accessibility settings. This enables you to be at the home screen. Makes it so your phone is ready to go as soon as you look at your device without the extra step of the swipe to unlock.

Your problem is solved by doing the following:

1)swipe up first
2)that's it

face ID flashes and opens your phone to the home screen
 

TechNismo

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Why not just post the written summary here, then? This is, after all, a forum for discussion, not a source of traffic for your YouTube channel.
Since the summary is a image file I cannot easily copy and paste it here. I tried to screen shot them and post it here, using "Upload File" and kept getting a message saying this:
Screen Shot 2018-01-04 at 6.25.53 PM.png
Funny enough it didn't say the file was too large, when uploading this screen shot.
How do I lower the resolution in the Mac OS "Preview" Application, to make the pictures a smaller file?
 

TechNismo

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Would it be that hard to just tell us the findings instead of making us watch a long video?
Why not just post the written summary here, then? This is, after all, a forum for discussion, not a source of traffic for your YouTube channel.
Omg what is the conclusion already? Some of us can’t watch videos at this time.
Sorry for the delay! The file was to big because it was a png, since I was adding text/images on the picture. Now it is all converted so here you guys go:
Face ID Results.jpg Touch ID Results.jpg Tie.jpg
 

mavis

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Thanks for the reply.

So, to summarize, you're saying that FaceID is roughly as fast on the passcode screen as the much slower, older TouchID scanner found in the iPhone 5s (and iPhone 6) but is slower with Tap to Wake enabled? Wow, sounds like a winner!

* for the record, I love my iPhone X and FaceID (in most cases) works about as well as TouchID (and in some case, much better - with gloves on, obviously, after a shower, etc) but you're comparing it to an old iPhone with an old scanner, with who-knows-how-many fingers scanned (think about it - TouchID is much slower when it's comparing a finger being scanned to 4-5 sets of data - saved fingerprints - than just one) ... also, several of the features you listed as benefits of FaceID are actually benefits of the TrueDepth Camera System (as is FaceID, actually) ... not to be a jackass but yeah - it's a small but significant distinction. And THIS is why I don't watch most 'tech review' videos on YouTube. Lol
 

TechNismo

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but you're comparing it to an old iPhone with an old scanner, with who-knows-how-many fingers scanned (think about it - TouchID is much slower when it's comparing a finger being scanned to 4-5 sets of data - saved fingerprints - than just one)
Now thinking about it, that might be another benefit for Face ID. Especially with First Generation Touch ID, oils and and junk can pile up in the sensor over time (cause 5s, SE, 6 aren't water proof), causing it to slow down, but Face ID most likely won't have such issues overtime. And also in reality, when life gives someone lemons, they usually use it all to make lemonade. As in, when one has the ability to store more finger prints, they usually take advantage of that and do so by adding other fingers on their hands for easy access (a lot of my friends do this). But your point is true!

also, several of the features you listed as benefits of FaceID are actually benefits of the TrueDepth Camera System (as is FaceID, actually)
Lol, not to be a jacka*s myself, I said in the vid that thanks to the Face ID sensors (which is what i meant by TrueDepth Camera System) such additional features are inclusive. I thought its appropriate to add those features, since the video was a full-out comparison. If Apple hadn't planned to have Facial Recognition System for the X, they would have not included the sensors at all. So really, those additional features are their due to the Face ID system. However, thanks for your feedback!
 

mavis

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Now thinking about it, that might be another benefit for Face ID. Especially with First Generation Touch ID, oils and and junk can pile up in the sensor over time (cause 5s, SE, 6 aren't water proof), causing it to slow down, but Face ID most likely won't have such issues overtime.
Sorry, but no - that's not going to happen. As for scratches and so on, Apple used sapphire on the sensor to prevent this ... ;)


Mission: Social Media Superstar

Result: Fail
That's harsh ... but made me laugh. :) Anyway, I think I've put too much time into this thread already ...
 
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PBz

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I never unlock my phone upside down.

I OFTEN unlock my phone with TID while phone is flat on a desk.

TID is crazy fast for me.. way faster than my wife's X with FID.

FID won't unlock for my wife if hair is blocking part of her face... and not a lot.. on the ride home recently she showed me that just some hair pulled from the side.. over her cheek prevents FID from working..

FID not there for me just yet.. my $0.02

Manicures go a long way if you are into YT tech videos.
 

bushman4

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First generation Touch ID left a lot to be desired and didn’t work all that great
The next generation of Touch ID was refined and polished. While the first generation of FaceID works well there will be a big improvement in the next generation of phones in 2018
 
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