Face ID vs Touch ID

[jtrue28]

But we can set up 5 different fingers. Gotcha.

 

[staggerlee41]

Here's a thought - There is not a single consumer who has used Face ID yet, so let's reserve what it's good for, and not good for, until that happens.

This is pretty much where I am with this whole situation. I'lll reserve judgement until Face ID is and has been in use by the masses. It's obvious Apple believes this is the future and even if it has shortcomings at the onset of the technology, it will improve. For now, I'll just enjoy my 8+ with old school TID technology.

 

[Knowimagination]

But we can set up 5 different fingers. Gotcha.

I mean you have 10 fingers and 1 face, so with Touch ID apple only supports 50% of your digits. Now with Face ID they support 100% of your face.

I get that people would store other peoples prints in their phone, but that was never what it was designed for which is why apple hasn't added multiple faces to Face ID.

 

[44267547]

I think this subject has no real definitive answer to everyone's preferences. It's simply what someone appreciates from touch ID and what Face ID can offer. But no one here has experienced Face ID to make a true evaluation of how it actually works efficiently. I think come November 3, the feedback will be much more interesting to see what iPhone users like/dislike about Face ID.

 

[Bane-Thunder]

I mean you have 10 fingers and 1 face, so with Touch ID apple only supports 50% of your digits. Now with Face ID they support 100% of your face.

Looool dude that is funnyyy

But also so true

 

[teknikal90]

sucks
my wife and i have access to both our phones

 

[IGotOne]

If you read the history of the X design, Face ID was only implemented because they couldn't find a way to integrate Touch ID under the OLED display since there was no home button.

They spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours trying to implement Touch ID before they gave up and settled for Face ID instead.

If APPLE's first choice was Touch ID, you'll never be able to convince me that Face ID was anything but a last ditch compromise to not have to delay the X another year. It'll be fine, but it is so clearly inferior that even Apple tried to not use it.

 

[Bane-Thunder]

If you read the history of the X design, Face ID was only implemented because they couldn't find a way to integrate Touch ID under the OLED display since there was no home button.

They spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours trying to implement Touch ID before they gave up and settled for Face ID instead.

If APPLE's first choice was Touch ID, you'll never be able to convince me that Face ID was anything but a last ditch compromise to not have to delay the X another year. It'll be fine, but it is so clearly inferior that even Apple tried to not use it.

But what you’re saying makes no sense.

The iPhone already has Touch ID so of course it would be first choice that’s the safest bet to make in the world. But if it don’t fit into your vision of a new device then you scrap it an find something better.

They now believe Face ID is the better. So let’s see it in our hands before you throw the book at it.

 

[ah1488]

All reports say it will work at an angle.

thanks for the reply! i was worried that it wouldn't work unless it was straight on.

 

[Nimoy]

If you read the history of the X design, Face ID was only implemented because they couldn't find a way to integrate Touch ID under the OLED display since there was no home button.

They spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours trying to implement Touch ID before they gave up and settled for Face ID instead.

If APPLE's first choice was Touch ID, you'll never be able to convince me that Face ID was anything but a last ditch compromise to not have to delay the X another year. It'll be fine, but it is so clearly inferior that even Apple tried to not use it.

We don't know exactly what went on with Apple's decision making. Maybe they always believed that FaceID was the future but were trying to keep TouchID (under the display) as a temporary bridge until people got comfortable with it. OR maybe FaceID began its life as a panicked alternative to TouchID but ended up working far better than expected, which convinced Apple to abandon TouchID altogether and fully embrace FaceID. The point is, there's not a whole lot you can infer for certain from the rumours.

 

[IGotOne]

But what you’re saying makes no sense.

The iPhone already has Touch ID so of course it would be first choice that’s the safest bet to make in the world. But if it don’t fit into your vision of a new device then you scrap it an find something better.

They now believe Face ID is the better. So let’s see it in our hands before you throw the book at it.

They didn't start building the X with the idea that Face ID was better. They tried, and they tried hard, to keep Touch ID.

There are multiple reports over the last two years of the struggles they had in trying desperately to keep Touch ID.

Then, as the launch rapidly approached, they folded and had to come up with an alternative. That alternative was Face ID.

Think of it this way: If you ask the girl you want to take to the prom if she would go with you and she says "I don't know, I might not be able to go, but if I can it will be with you for sure!", you would probably wait to see if she could. As prom approaches, she tells you she can't go (family, emergency, you're too ugly... whatever), so you ask someone else who says yes. Hooray!

You didn't get to go with who you wanted, and even though you might still have a good time, the date that you take was NOT the one you wanted to bring.

Face ID is the consolation date. PERIOD.

(this may or may not have been a true story...)

 

[Nimoy]

They didn't start building the X with the idea that Face ID was better. They tried, and they tried hard, to keep Touch ID.

There are multiple reports over the last two years of the struggles they had in trying desperately to keep Touch ID.

Then, as the launch rapidly approached, they folded and had to come up with an alternative. That alternative was Face ID.

Think of it this way: If you ask the girl you want to take to the prom if she would go with you and she says "I don't know, I might not be able to go, but if I can it will be with you for sure!", you would probably wait to see if she could. As prom approaches, she tells you she can't go (family, emergency, you're too ugly... whatever), so you ask someone else who says yes. Hooray!

You didn't get to go with who you wanted, and even though you might still have a good time, the date that you take was NOT the one you wanted to bring.

Face ID is the consolation date. PERIOD.

(this may or may not have been a true story...)

But what if the consolation date turns out, upon getting to know her, to be even more desirable than your first choice?

 

[nrvna76]

I mean you have 10 fingers and 1 face, so with Touch ID apple only supports 50% of your digits. Now with Face ID they support 100% of your face.

I get that people would store other peoples prints in their phone, but that was never what it was designed for which is why apple hasn't added multiple faces to Face ID.

How do we know that’s not what it was designed for? These random scenarios people come up with are ridiculous. This is a clear downgrade though. I suspect they will fix in later iterations.

They didn't start building the X with the idea that Face ID was better. They tried, and they tried hard, to keep Touch ID.

There are multiple reports over the last two years of the struggles they had in trying desperately to keep Touch ID.

Then, as the launch rapidly approached, they folded and had to come up with an alternative. That alternative was Face ID.

Think of it this way: If you ask the girl you want to take to the prom if she would go with you and she says "I don't know, I might not be able to go, but if I can it will be with you for sure!", you would probably wait to see if she could. As prom approaches, she tells you she can't go (family, emergency, you're too ugly... whatever), so you ask someone else who says yes. Hooray!

You didn't get to go with who you wanted, and even though you might still have a good time, the date that you take was NOT the one you wanted to bring.

Face ID is the consolation date. PERIOD.

(this may or may not have been a true story...)

Trolling..? There are clear and conflicting reports that say they tried or that they were always all in on faceid. Now reports suggest they are years ahead of android due to faceid. Regardless of why, this is clearly their direction now. They may add back in the future because eventually you will likely use multiple technologies to verify identity.

For the price I feel the x should have had both in some fashion.

 

[IGotOne]

We don't know exactly what went on with Apple's decision making. Maybe they always believed that FaceID was the future but were trying to keep TouchID (under the display) as a temporary bridge until people got comfortable with it. OR maybe FaceID began its life as a panicked alternative to TouchID but ended up working far better than expected, which convinced Apple to abandon TouchID altogether and fully embrace FaceID. The point is, there's not a whole lot you can infer for certain from the rumours.

That would potentially be true if there weren't dozens of reports to the contrary. This wasn't a "rumor", this was a well documented problem Apple was experiencing because of eliminating the home button.

Until they gave up, there was no mention of Face ID anywhere. No leaks, no parts, no rumors.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, sure... it COULD be a swan, but it's pretty obvious to everyone (sans Face ID apologist), that Face ID was cobbled together after it became clear Touch ID wouldn't be ready under the screen for the launch of the X.

There were dozens of reports about it. It wasn't just a "rumor"
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How do we know that’s not what it was designed for? These random scenarios people come up with are ridiculous. This is a clear downgrade though. I suspect they will fix in later iterations.



Trolling..? There are clear and conflicting reports that say they tried or that they were always all in on faceid. Now reports suggest they are years ahead of android due to faceid. Regardless of why, this is clearly their direction now. They may add back in the future because eventually you will likely use multiple technologies to verify identity.

For the price I feel the x should have had both in some fashion.

Please show me a report that states they were "always" working on Face ID for the X. Not recently, but from the start...

 

[Macalway]

I was just wondering about banks, about how long it will take to get up and running with face ID.
I would imagine they will need to update also, and they are very, very, slow to adopt new things. Any new tech is only as good as it's actually adopted, right? I would be somewhat impatient with this change, I'm afraid.

Not sure how this is going to go down. Any ideas?

(my due diligence )

 

[IGotOne]

I was just wondering about banks, about how long it will take to get up and running with face ID.
I would imagine they will need to update also, and they are very, very, slow to adopt new things. Any new tech is only as good as it's actually adopted, right? I would be somewhat impatient with this change, I'm afraid.

Not sure how this is going to go down. Any ideas?

(my due diligence )

No one knows. They do tend to trust Apple though, so it'll likely be a non-issue with app security. Face ID will be fine, but it will definitely have quirks and minor issues of it's own though. Those are the drawbacks of the compromise they had to make, but hopefully it won't be significant. I certainly don't see it as a "selling feature" though, and if you watched the keynote they sure tried hard to make it seem like it was...

 

[Phone Junky]

Makes a world of difference if you are in a high-pressure situation such as a bank robbery and just looking away for a split second could mean life-or-death.

That possible scenario in itself justifies the greatness of TouchID.

My Glock will serve me far better in that situation than TouchID.

 

[Macalway]

No one knows. They do tend to trust Apple though, so it'll likely be a non-issue with app security. Face ID will be fine, but it will definitely have quirks and minor issues of it's own though. Those are the drawbacks of the compromise they had to make, but hopefully it won't be significant. I certainly don't see it as a "selling feature" though, and if you watched the keynote they sure tried hard to make it seem like it was...

Thanks, but I'm looking for feedback from businesses who have made statements about adopting it. I really don't know what's going on. I Google 'My bank' + face ID, etc. and get SOL.

Which worries me, as like I said, waiting for somebody to get onboard might be about as long a wait as .......getting the X itself . Which reminds me, I probably don't have to worry as its will be LONG time for that......

 

[nrvna76]

That would potentially be true if there weren't dozens of reports to the contrary. This wasn't a "rumor", this was a well documented problem Apple was experiencing because of eliminating the home button.

Until they gave up, there was no mention of Face ID anywhere. No leaks, no parts, no rumors.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, sure... it COULD be a swan, but it's pretty obvious to everyone (sans Face ID apologist), that Face ID was cobbled together after it became clear Touch ID wouldn't be ready under the screen for the launch of the X.

There were dozens of reports about it. It wasn't just a "rumor"
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Please show me a report that states they were "always" working on Face ID for the X. Not recently, but from the start...

You can be as matter of fact as you like. Still doesn’t mean it’s the truth. All I am saying is there were reports that contradict what you keep saying. I don’t particularly care if there were less than those that said they abandoned it, just that they existed.

I don’t need a report that states anything. Common sense works just fine for me. How could any company cobble together a technology at the last minute that cannot be matched by any competition? A technology that reportedly has said competition scrambling to catch up.

Maybe they wanted both in the phone..? I have no idea, I don’t work there.

Btw, they bought Primesense in 2013. I’d wager they worked on this for years.
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Thanks, but I'm looking for feedback from businesses who have made statements about adopting it. I really don't know what's going on. I Google 'My bank' + face ID, etc. and get SOL.

Which worries me, as like I said, waiting for somebody to get onboard might be about as long a wait as .......getting the X itself . Which reminds me, I probably don't have to worry as its will be LONG time for that......

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-apps-supporting-touch-id-will-support-face-id-2017-9

 

[staggerlee41]

Regardless of which technology they started with when planning for and designing X, the result is Face ID in the X and Face ID in the future. Nobody but Apple knows that now. The public may or may not ever know. It could be a flop or it could be a move that, even if done by chance, goes down in history. Like a sports team who trades just before a deadline or one who doesn't...and then goes on to win a championship. Or one who loses. We'll see in the not so distant future I suppose. It's going to be interesting watching this technology grow and advance.

 

[iSayBoourns]

With TouchID, you can unlock your phone even while its in your pocket (or in the dark) & its usable. One hand, one step.

With FaceID, you must pull out your phone, maneuver it to view your face, swipe up from the bottom. And then its usable. Two hands (most likely) and THREE steps.

Makes a world of difference if you are in a high-pressure situation such as a bank robbery and just looking away for a split second could mean life-or-death.

That possible scenario in itself justifies the greatness of TouchID.

The step of having to look at the phone for FaceID only is nonsense, and only used as a way for pro TouchID users to inflate the process to make TouchID look better.

Here’s why:
You still have to look AT your device to use it. So technically that step is required in both cases.

TouchID:
- pull out phone
- place finger on TouchID
- look at phone to use
(Steps one and two are interchangeable in their order)

FaceID:
- pull out phone
- look at phone to use (which also acts as authentication)
- swipe up

Same amount of steps required. Swipe up replaces having to place your finger on a specific spot of the device. Looking at your device is not an extra step for FaceID, as I’ve said, you have to look at the phone regardless of any scenario (otherwise, why are you unlocking to begin with?)

You’re also purposely adding that FaceID “most likely” require two hands? Why? Is it because you’re attempting to make FaceID look worse to fit your argument better? TouchID makes the device magically one handed?

Also you add TouchID as working in the dark. FaceID also works in the dark.
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You're making things up to try to justify your feelings.

FaceID will not require the use of two hands and three steps. The phone is barely larger than a current iPhone 6/7/8.

It's as simple as lift the phone, look at it, then swipe up. If it doesn't work, keep on looking at it.

I hate how TouchID forces me to take my thumb off the button if there's an unsuccessful read. And if it fails a second or third time it gets really irritating.

And in a high pressure situation like a bank robbery, I won't be looking at my phone.

My attention will be focused on the front sight of my handgun superimposed COM over the slightly out of focus robber, my trigger finger gently taking up slack in the trigger until the gun fires.

Not to mention that it’s likely if you’re in a high pressure situation like a bank robbery where it’s life or death, your hands might be sweaty and render TouchID useless anyways.
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They didn't start building the X with the idea that Face ID was better. They tried, and they tried hard, to keep Touch ID.

There are multiple reports over the last two years of the struggles they had in trying desperately to keep Touch ID.

Then, as the launch rapidly approached, they folded and had to come up with an alternative. That alternative was Face ID.

Think of it this way: If you ask the girl you want to take to the prom if she would go with you and she says "I don't know, I might not be able to go, but if I can it will be with you for sure!", you would probably wait to see if she could. As prom approaches, she tells you she can't go (family, emergency, you're too ugly... whatever), so you ask someone else who says yes. Hooray!

You didn't get to go with who you wanted, and even though you might still have a good time, the date that you take was NOT the one you wanted to bring.

Face ID is the consolation date. PERIOD.

(this may or may not have been a true story...)

So you’re suggesting that Apple, at the last moment, magically whipped up technology never used in a smartphone (3D mapping your face for a more secure authentication) out of thin air? Riiiight.

 

[Raist3001]

maybe FaceID began its life as a panicked alternative to TouchID but ended up working far better than expected, which convinced Apple to abandon TouchID altogether and fully embrace FaceID.

This is exactly what I believe. No one will be able to convince me that FaceID was always the clear choice for the iPhone X. If that were the case, apple would have abandoned TouchID and concentrated solely on FaceID. Truth is, FaceID was being developed along side TouchID in the event apple could not find a way to embed TouchID into the screen.

FaceID will most likely work far better then we all expect.

 

[Ntombi]

I was just wondering about banks, about how long it will take to get up and running with face ID.
I would imagine they will need to update also, and they are very, very, slow to adopt new things. Any new tech is only as good as it's actually adopted, right? I would be somewhat impatient with this change, I'm afraid.

Not sure how this is going to go down. Any ideas?

(my due diligence )

Thanks, but I'm looking for feedback from businesses who have made statements about adopting it. I really don't know what's going on. I Google 'My bank' + face ID, etc. and get SOL.

Which worries me, as like I said, waiting for somebody to get onboard might be about as long a wait as .......getting the X itself . Which reminds me, I probably don't have to worry as its will be LONG time for that......

They have already said that any app that works with Touch ID will automatically work with Face ID. The way they set up the API is that the app asks for verification, and the phone then asks the user for Touch/Face ID, and sends back a “verified/not verified” response. The app doesn’t care, or know, which biometric process was used.

The only way your bank would be able to pull support from a Face ID verification is to pull support from both and go back to a password.

 

[Macalway]

Thanks, thanks,....

Just what I was hoping, but didn't think was the case. I might have waited otherwise.

Now for the Oct 27 crunch

 

[Ladybug]

I am not pro Touch ID or Face ID because I never use Touch ID to begin with.

But you mentioned OP that people are screaming in opposition to Face ID when they haven't used it yet? That's a good point but if you turn the argument around, you also can't claim how good it is because you haven't used it yet either.

I think people should just buy what they want and are comfortable using. There is no wrong answer here.