Fanboyism

[KeriJane]

I like and buy the stuff for the ease of use and the OS, but Apple products are overpriced, not as much as some may think they are, but they are overpriced for what you get.

When I bought my 2008 MBP, I was excited. I was thinking Id be getting a laptop that would last a good 3-5 years before I had any problems. Well, once it hit two years the optical drive failed.

I also dont like Apples way of trying to exert control over users who purchase their stuff, i.e. closed OS's on iphone and ipad. The apps available for these on the app store are a joke for the most part. The full potential of these items are only realized when they are jailbroken..

Dont get me wrong, I love Apple products, but they just arent all that some make them out to be.

Hello.


Aha... "Overpriced" is such an over-abused word.
Last time I checked, Price = What Seller will Take meets What Buyer will Pay.
Price too High = No Deal.
Apple doesn't seem to have any problem selling products at their price so, Price = Fair.
If you think Price is too high, Do Not Buy!
If you want to play the "Brand X charges this much" game, please go buy Brand X.


You're condemning an entire MacBook Pro because of an Optical Drive Failure a year after the warranty expired? If it's that big of an issue for you, why didn't you buy AppleCare?
How do we know what you've done to it? An Optical Drive can fail for all sorts of reasons, not all of them Apple's fault.
It's a shame that you've experienced a failure but stuff breaks. Now if the Logic Board had gone, THAT would be Bad. Again, not necessarily Apple's fault but Bad.


What you call "Apple exerting Control over Users" is just their little way of protecting their reputation and profits.

Imagine if iPhones and iPads were "Open" to anything at all. Flash alone would kill battery life and perceived reliability, thus increasing Dissatisfaction, Returns and Warranty repairs. There goes Profits and Reputation.

Or maybe open them up to File Sharing, Illegal Gambling, Pron, or whatever. Do you think Apple wants Lawyers pestering them all day? Maybe lose a Lawsuit or two?

Apple doesn't "Close" systems to control your life... they do it to protect themselves from the actions of others.

If you don't like it, buy something else or Jailbreak it. Either way, Apple is not responsible for your actions.


Believe it or not, I'm not being an Apple Fangirl here! The same principles apply to ALL companies, not just Apple.
Even the ones selling inferior, Windows-infected products.


Have Fun
Keri

 

[KeriJane]

"fanboy" is another of those terms that should be retired. It has no real meaning; it's only used by lazy people as a pejorative to discredit someone who makes a positive comment about something.

People should be able to make positive comments about Apple (or anyone else) without having to qualify it with "...but I'm not a fanboy--here are some off-topic things I don't like about them"

Hello.

"Fanboy" / "Fangirl" are perfectly good terms that have no need of retirement or apology. Like many other perfectly good words, they can be used in a negative or positive manner.

They're also easier to spell than "Cheerleader" and get the point across with just one word.

I say go ahead and unabashedly make your positive comments. Do not worry about dredging up some negative things to say in the interests of appearing "fair".

There's no pleasing the critics so my advice is to not try. Just say your piece.

Member of the Apple Cheerleading Squad,
Keri

 

[citizenzen]

"fanboy" is another of those terms that should be retired.

I'll agree with this.

Some want to take people who like a product and then exaggerate their loyalty to absurd levels. Just like conservatives have done by trying to paint Obama as the "Messiah" of liberals.

Uhhh... no.

Obama is just another politician, albeit a better choice than most any conservative. And Apple is just another computer, albeit a better choice than most any PC.

 

[notjustjay]

My definition of "fanboy" is someone who takes the side of a company without any reasonable rational basis for making that decision. And it's not just Apple. I have a friend who works at Home Depot and I feel he takes an unreasonable interest in the company. There's loving your job, and then there's... being a fanboy. Every time I do a home renovation or purchase something construction or house related, he'll ask "Did you buy it at Home Depot?" or say "Ah, but if you were to buy it at Home Depot, we'd be able to offer you installation services" or something inane like that. When pressed, he can offer no real rational reason for trying to persuade me to buy everything at Home Depot -- he just really, really likes the company (or likes representing the company as an employee -- same thing). You'd think he was on commission, or a shareholder, but he's not. I call that being a fanboy.

They will also buy "blindly" from the company without objective evaluation. A DeWalt fanboy will need a new drill and immediately run out and buy a DeWalt drill, without even looking to see what Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, Ridgid are offering, and whether or not one of those brands just might offer better quality or a better price. It's simply unthinkable to own a tool that's not painted yellow.

I like Apple. I own Apple products. And to some extent, Apple products beget more Apple products -- they work well together and that can be a swaying factor. But I still try to look at everything objectively. (Just like if I already have DeWalt cordless tools, the fact that I can share the batteries and chargers might be a huge factor in leaning me toward more DeWalt tools -- but that still won't stop me from considering other brands.) I recognize that Apple products -- and the company itself -- have faults. Something most fanboys refuse to acknowledge.

 

[citizenzen]

My definition of "fanboy" is someone who takes the side of a company without any reasonable rational basis for making that decision.

So by your definition, "fanboys" are insane.

Anybody want to admit to insanity?

 

[miles01110]

So by your definition, "fanboys" are insane.

Anybody want to admit to insanity?

Based on your posting history nobody should expect you to have anything productive to add to this discussion. You're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Also, notjustjay's definition of a fanboy is someone who follows blindly. Insane? Maybe. Ignorant? Definitely.

 

[Stella]

So by your definition, "fanboys" are insane.

Anybody want to admit to insanity?

I wouldn't say insane, but instead, "tunnel vision".

 

[KeriJane]

So by your definition, "fanboys" are insane.

Anybody want to admit to insanity?

That's just your take of notjustlays definition.

Other people could take a less extreme definition like Wikipedias:

fan(person) boy/girl - A fan, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person with an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for something. Fans of a particular thing or person constitute its fanbase or fandom. They often show their enthusiasm by starting a fan club, holding fan conventions, creating fanzines, writing fan mail, or promoting the object of their interest and attention.

Liking something or someone a lot does not necessarily indicate Insanity.

If you have any preference for a specific Car or Sports Team, you'd fall into this category too!

For me, other than Apple products it's priceless figurines, specifically Giuseppe Armani.
Oh, and IKEA furniture.

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Have a Fun kind of InSanItY,
Keri

 

[roadbloc]

Aha... "Overpriced" is such an over-abused word.

No it isn't. Just because people buy it, it doesn't mean it isn't overpriced. After-all, we are only 10/11% of the market share.

For the price of a Mac Pro, you could build something twice as powerful. That means Apple's profit is higher than other hardware companies. True, OS X does deserve a little more than Windows, but not as much as they are getting. And there is nothing else you are paying for except maybe a lovely cloth to wipe your screen with (which was what came with my macbook).

That, to me, is overpriced.

Have fun.
Roadbloc.

 

[notjustjay]

Other people could take a less extreme definition like Wikipedias:

fan(person) boy/girl - A fan, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person with an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for something.

There's a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. I'm a fan of Apple products, sure. I like 'em, use 'em, recommend 'em to others, I even hang out on Apple related websites. I'm a fan, but not a fanboy.

 

[citizenzen]

Based on your posting history nobody should expect you to have anything productive to add to this discussion.

lol. I have a history.

And my moms said i'd never amount to anything.

 

[KeriJane]

No it isn't. Just because people buy it, it doesn't mean it isn't overpriced. After-all, we are only 10/11% of the market share.

For the price of a Mac Pro, you could build something twice as powerful. That means Apple's profit is higher than other hardware companies. True, OS X does deserve a little more than Windows, but not as much as they are getting. And there is nothing else you are paying for except maybe a lovely cloth to wipe your screen with (which was what came with my macbook).

That, to me, is overpriced.

Have fun.
Roadbloc.

Then..... Don't Buy One!
Go right ahead and build your twice as fast computer.

But for the rest of us who consider the Mac Pro to be an invaluable tool....
It's a Great Value.
For Us, the people that utilize even a tiny portion of its vast potential.



Just because it's "Overpriced" for YOU doesn't mean that other people consider it so.
Just look at what used ones go for. Low Depreciation is a pretty good indicator of Value.

Mac Pro:
One of the great all-time BARGAINS in the computing world. (Keri's Definition)

Have Fun on a Rainy Day, Debate!
Keri

 

[KeriJane]

There's a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. I'm a fan of Apple products, sure. I like 'em, use 'em, recommend 'em to others, I even hang out on Apple related websites. I'm a fan, but not a fanboy.

Well, we can work on that and get you up to speed.

Care for some Kool Aid?
It's Cherry Flavor!

Have Fun,
Keri

 

[KingYaba]

$5 says the writer wrote up this article after visiting 4chan's technology board.