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Fastest Mac GPUs with full EFI boot screens, etc, GTX570 & GTX580

As I consider to build myself a hackintosh, I wanted to ask if an EFI-flashed GTX570 2560MB gives me any improvement over a stock PC one used in a hackintosh.
Otherwise, it might make sense to sell the card and get e.g. a GTX580 3GB (I don't wanna use Kepler cards since I need the machine for video editing and therefore more CUDA power).
 
El Awesome said:
As I consider to build myself a hackintosh, I wanted to ask if an EFI-flashed GTX570 2560MB gives me any improvement over a stock PC one used in a hackintosh.
Otherwise, it might make sense to sell the card and get e.g. a GTX580 3GB (I don't wanna use Kepler cards since I need the machine for video editing and therefore more CUDA power).
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As you may have guessed, the EFI won't be read or seen in a Hack. So you might very well be better off with a standard card in a Hack. The PCIE being locked at 1.0 is a function of Apple Hardware, so you will also sidestep that little bullet too.
 
MacVidCards said:
As you may have guessed, the EFI won't be read or seen in a Hack. So you might very well be better off with a standard card in a Hack. The PCIE being locked at 1.0 is a function of Apple Hardware, so you will also sidestep that little bullet too.
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Hmm... so I've been reverse engineering and rebuilding my hackintosh that was put together for me (ML 10.8). Am I to guess correctly that my 1.28GB GTX570 has no EFI bios chip on it?

I can dump an off the shelf PC GTX 580 in there and it will work the same?
 
DJenkins said:
Hmm... so I've been reverse engineering and rebuilding my hackintosh that was put together for me (ML 10.8). Am I to guess correctly that my 1.28GB GTX570 has no EFI bios chip on it?

I can dump an off the shelf PC GTX 580 in there and it will work the same?
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Unless there is someone who has created a Hack that actually boots via EFI, I don't see why not.
 
HDMI Audio

@MacVidCards,
Do you know how to get HDMI audio to work with these cards? I have a GTX 570 running in my 5,1 Mac Pro, and while 2 monitors work great, I don't have the HDMI audio option in sound preferences. Is this something your firmware can do? I'm running OS X 10.8.2. I've read some instructions on the hackintosh forums about this, but I'm not sure if it applies to a real Mac Pro.
 
HDMI Audio will only work via drivers.

Many cards now include the hardware but Apple doesn't write or include drivers.

Some people have found ways to Hack the drivers but this is something that has to be done for each and ever OS update.

The device id of the HDMI audio chip can not be changed via firmware. The drivers that exist in the OS only look for certain device id's. So to enable Audio via HDMI requires driver hacks, not firmware hacks.

If the Quadro 4000 had included Audio via DP we might have had a shot, but AFAIK, it did not.
 
My macvidcard 570 is going well. We are getting a new Mac Pro and the vendor has advised getting a single slot card for the display screens and just using the GTX570 for cuda-related Premiere Pro work. What would be a good single-slot non-cuda card that can run in tandem with the 570? I assume an ATI would conflict with the display drivers? My old GT120 won't run the rez on the dual Dell 2711's.
 
powervideo said:
My macvidcard 570 is going well. My old GT120 won't run the rez on the dual Dell 2711's.
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Are you using a DP to DVI adapter?

if it is an OEM Apple GT120 it can run those displays either via DVI and TRUE DP.

Or via DVI and Dp to DVI DUal Link ACTIVE adapter.

Many people get cheap passive adapters, they won't work for anything larger than 24" (1920 x1200)
 
And I have recently uncovered some shady dealings by "BizLink"

They sell DP to DVI and MDP to DVI that are stamped "Active" while they most certainly are NOT.

The DP to DVI adapter in fact does not even work correctly at all. It seems not to pass the EDID properly to card. So when it DOES send an image to the display it offers no other choices of resolution since it does not know what display it is workig with.

The MDP to DVI works better, but these are in fact PASSIVE adapters with the word "Active" formed into their cases. VERY shady. A true ACTIVE adapter is creating the signal using electronics, and thus requires a USB cable for power.

DP contains "Legacy" support for DVI in single link mode. All passive adapters do is pass this through.
 
...and according to Nvidia's site - the GT120 has a max res of 2560x1600 and multi monitor support - same as gtx570. So this card should run your two monitors fine.
 
MacVidCards said:
And I have recently uncovered some shady dealings by "BizLink"

They sell DP to DVI and MDP to DVI that are stamped "Active" while they most certainly are NOT.

The DP to DVI adapter in fact does not even work correctly at all. It seems not to pass the EDID properly to card. So when it DOES send an image to the display it offers no other choices of resolution since it does not know what display it is workig with.

The MDP to DVI works better, but these are in fact PASSIVE adapters with the word "Active" formed into their cases. VERY shady. A true ACTIVE adapter is creating the signal using electronics, and thus requires a USB cable for power.

DP contains "Legacy" support for DVI in single link mode. All passive adapters do is pass this through.
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Yes I think I have a dodgy adaptor. :(

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I'm reading on the Reduser forum now that for CUDA acceleration to work fully on Premiere Pro, it must be enabled on the GPU that drives the primary displays. Other programs like Resolve require a separate card like the GT120 and a Cuda-enabled cards like the GTX570. It's hard to get firm accurate confirmation of this.
 
nubeee purchase performance decision question for Macvidcards

I have a 2008 macpro 3,1

looking strongly at your dual dvi gtx 570 2.5 gigs ram for my best performer given I heavily use After Effects 6 (Cuda) Photoshop (cl) "Hi" End 3d.

that card seems fine but I need every minutes worth of life from this box...
so here is my question since I "can" wait a few months if needed.

- The NEW cards from Nvidia... 670 and 680 specs are drool worthy Cuda wise...
can you give a power 'Animator' not a power 'hacker' an idea of what your
thoughts are on these cards making it into your awesome hands and 'adjusted'
to work in MY box but also work like 'better' versions of the 5 series cards your doing your magic on now. Any comments including best guess is welcome... I am 95% sure im a customer of yours its just a matter of when... thank you...
 
OPEN GL performance issues with gtx 580?

Im not getting any response related to this issue so ill try posting it here.

I am a whisker away from getting the dual dvi gtx 570 2.5 gigs of ram

for my 2008 mac pro 3.1 Cuda is number one.... however.... my second

most needed capability is open gl performance... it is "acceptable" now with my gt8800 card... my question is will it get worse with an upgrade like this.

one other person with my set up on this site can't seem to get that aspect working well. With as much 3d as I do and particle illusion is all open gl I need "some" kind of reassurance that this is NOT an issue with the 3.1 mac pro's.... im not trying to be a pest here, but I need to make financial decisions asap... im also here in LA\hollywood area if it makes things easier
testing or setting up the card.... thanks...
 
MacVidCards said:
And I have recently uncovered some shady dealings by "BizLink"

They sell DP to DVI and MDP to DVI that are stamped "Active" while they most certainly are NOT.

The DP to DVI adapter in fact does not even work correctly at all. It seems not to pass the EDID properly to card. So when it DOES send an image to the display it offers no other choices of resolution since it does not know what display it is workig with.

The MDP to DVI works better, but these are in fact PASSIVE adapters with the word "Active" formed into their cases. VERY shady. A true ACTIVE adapter is creating the signal using electronics, and thus requires a USB cable for power.

DP contains "Legacy" support for DVI in single link mode. All passive adapters do is pass this through.
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I think you may be confusing single-link active mdp adapters with dual-link active mdp adapters. Single-link active adapters will drive up to 1080p monitors and can be used to drive up to 4 monitors on say an ati 6870. If you want greater than 1080p you'll need an active dual link adapter typically. Dual has USB power single doesn't
 
supernovavfx said:
Im not getting any response related to this issue so ill try posting it here.

I am a whisker away from getting the dual dvi gtx 570 2.5 gigs of ram

for my 2008 mac pro 3.1 Cuda is number one.... however.... my second

most needed capability is open gl performance... it is "acceptable" now with my gt8800 card... my question is will it get worse with an upgrade like this.

one other person with my set up on this site can't seem to get that aspect working well. With as much 3d as I do and particle illusion is all open gl I need "some" kind of reassurance that this is NOT an issue with the 3.1 mac pro's.... im not trying to be a pest here, but I need to make financial decisions asap... im also here in LA\hollywood area if it makes things easier
testing or setting up the card.... thanks...
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Why don't you buy it and test it before getting it flashed? The card will work just fine with 10.7.5 or 10.8.2 with the corresponding NVIDIA driver, you just won't have a boot screen. Test it out for a couple of days, and if you like the performance, you can send it to MVC to be modified and flashed. Nobody else is going to be able to tell you how well the specific applications you're interested in will run with this card, so your best option is to just test the card before you void the warranty and make the decision. I suspect you'll find the GTX 570 is a huge upgrade over what you have right now, for both OpenGL and OpenCL.
 
MacVidCards said:
And I have recently uncovered some shady dealings by "BizLink"

They sell DP to DVI and MDP to DVI that are stamped "Active" while they most certainly are NOT.

The DP to DVI adapter in fact does not even work correctly at all. It seems not to pass the EDID properly to card. So when it DOES send an image to the display it offers no other choices of resolution since it does not know what display it is workig with.

The MDP to DVI works better, but these are in fact PASSIVE adapters with the word "Active" formed into their cases. VERY shady. A true ACTIVE adapter is creating the signal using electronics, and thus requires a USB cable for power.

DP contains "Legacy" support for DVI in single link mode. All passive adapters do is pass this through.
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Active does not necessarily need USB. You are getting single and dual link adapters confused.

Typically when talking about OSX you would be concerned with a mDP -> DL-DVI active adapter. However the adapter you looked at is certainly a mDP -> SL-DVI active adapter.

The reason for needing a single link active adapter is because AMD video cards can support only 2 legacy (non-DP) outputs. So for users who need 3 legacy outputs they need an active adapter which the Bizlink is. It is designed to work for multi-monitor/eyefinity setups and is certified by AMD.

btw Bizlink is also known as Accell
 
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lixuelai said:
Active does not necessarily need USB. You are getting single and dual link adapters confused.

Typically when talking about OSX you would be concerned with a mDP -> DL-DVI active adapter. However the adapter you looked at is certainly a mDP -> SL-DVI active adapter.

The reason for needing a single link active adapter is because AMD video cards can support only 2 legacy (non-DP) outputs. So for users who need 3 legacy outputs they need an active adapter which the Bizlink is. It is designed to work for multi-monitor/eyefinity setups and is certified by AMD.

btw Bizlink is also known as Accell
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Whatever you want to call it, it isn't working.
 
MacVidCards said:
Whatever you want to call it, it isn't working.
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You are accusing a company of lying in their marketing when the accusation is baseless and is more due to your confusion than anything else.

To remind you of your own statement:

They sell DP to DVI and MDP to DVI that are stamped "Active" while they most certainly are NOT.
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And here is the AMD whitelist:

http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/eyefinity-dongles.aspx

Of course you can accuse AMD of being a party in this conspiracy :D
 
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I've got a GTX 570 and GT 610 installed in my Mac Pro. I've been getting kernel panics these last few weeks, since the 10.8.2 update and/or the latest nVIDIA drivers. The screen will lock up, no KP info screen displays and then screens go dark. Sometimes the machine will successfully reboot, but other times the power light stays on but nothing more happens and it needs a hard reboot.

I can't seem to find the source, but it appears to only happen when I'm in Safari browsing, and maybe only during loading embedded videos. I've spent a fair amount of time under Da Vinci resolve, for example, and it never locked up then.

I've attached a txt file of the kernel panic log, if anyone wants to have a look I'd appreciate it because I get the basics but don't know if I'm missing anything.
 

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I'm having the same problem with system freezing, seemingly since 10.8.2 update. The last messages in console are usually:

NVDA(OpenGL): Channel exception! exception type = 0xd = GR: SW Notify Error

Mine is a 4,1 Mac Pro updated to 5,1 6-core with unmodified GTX 570. I've seen a few mentions of this error from hackintosh users and people with retina macbook pros. I've tried some of the suggestions such as deleting AGPM kext and avoiding Chrome.


initialsBB said:
I've got a GTX 570 and GT 610 installed in my Mac Pro. I've been getting kernel panics these last few weeks, since the 10.8.2 update and/or the latest nVIDIA drivers. The screen will lock up, no KP info screen displays and then screens go dark. Sometimes the machine will successfully reboot, but other times the power light stays on but nothing more happens and it needs a hard reboot.

I can't seem to find the source, but it appears to only happen when I'm in Safari browsing, and maybe only during loading embedded videos. I've spent a fair amount of time under Da Vinci resolve, for example, and it never locked up then.

I've attached a txt file of the kernel panic log, if anyone wants to have a look I'd appreciate it because I get the basics but don't know if I'm missing anything.
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beto2k7 said:
PCI card info cannot be read if the card doesn't have an efi chip.
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Where did you get the information about "special efi chip"? :confused:

muthma said:
I hope this is an easy one. The system i am running is mpb17' mid 2011 with thunderbolt. On the thunderbolt port i have a th05 from bplus and inside the pice slot is a gtx 580 3gb. Software wise i am running 10.8.1 with native as well as 10.7.4 drivers.

The problem i have is that when i click in system profiler on pci cards it says that it can not read the info from the card.

What am i doing wrong? Many thanks for your help!
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Did you succeed with your TH05+OSX configuration? If yes, what are the news?
 
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