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Well except Windows 10 of course which is a worthy equal to MacOS
I've used them both, for anyone who likes Apple macOS is still Mac and Windows 10 is still windows. Being a Mac user I personally have no inclination to go to windows. I prefer the feel and experience of macOS. Windows can't even begin in offering that to me.
 
I've used them both, for anyone who likes Apple macOS is still Mac and Windows 10 is still windows. Being a Mac user I personally have no inclination to go to windows. I prefer the feel and experience of macOS. Windows can't even begin in offering that to me.

Oh well! I suppose lot's of us are resistant to change. You speak in the past tense, I use both daily hence why I say there's little if nothing to choose between them, a view now borne out by increasing numbers of Mac users.

Sadly though macOS is becoming less and less Mac and more iOS which is a very poor move. Add to that Apple's lack of innovation and failure to upgrade their desktop hardware and it's getting increasingly difficult to see a future for the "proper" Mac desktop experience.
 
Oh well! I suppose lot's of us are resistant to change. You speak in the past tense, I use both daily hence why I say there's little if nothing to choose between them, a view now borne out by increasing numbers of Mac users.
I've used Windows 10 a few times, El Capitan on a daily basis, but use Windows 7 on a regular basis for work.

I don't claim to be an expert on Windows 10, but I'm not dying to switch over. Mac has been too good to me over the years, I just love using it. At least this current 5K iMac is giving me one of the best computing experiences I've ever had, so there's that.

Sadly though macOS is becoming less and less Mac and more iOS which is a very poor move. Add to that Apple's lack of innovation and failure to upgrade their desktop hardware and it's getting increasingly difficult to see a future for the "proper" Mac desktop experience.
This is completely accurate, I would say I agree with everything you've said here.

I have noticed the gradual move to an iOS-like experience, something that I do not at all support. When the makers of a desktop OS are making an effort to make the OS more similar to a smart phone OS, there is a big problem. That is a big problem in my opinion.

If Apple wants to appeal to the casual market, I actually don't necessarily have an issue with them doing that, but it is only when they leave the pro market behind (which is what they're doing).

They are leaving the 'pro' market behind and this is something that I strongly oppose, they need to make an effort to appeal to both sectors of the market if they must.
 
Isn't getting rid of cables and adapters all over the place the whole concept of an AIO? Surely Apple are taking us backwards to their future?

I just meant it's less annoying on an AIO since you don't have to carry the dongles everywhere you go.

I still wouldn't want to buy any.
 
iMac 2017 might drop USB A, SD slot, DP...
I'm actually looking forward to it.

I made up my mind to ditch the old tech I have been clinging to for a decade and renew it all, if the iMac goes USB-C-only on the next revision. Sure, I might need one dongle for old-style USB, but only briefly.

People make a lot of noise about this stuff, but the future is coming and I'd love if everything goes to the new, universal, slim socket that carries max data.
 
Thinking about the amount of cables I will need is a bit depressing.

I would need to get.

1 x USB C to USB A Hub
2 x USB C to Micro USB (one very short, one ~3 feet long)
1 x USB C to Mini USB (Camera)
3 x USB C to USB A Adaptors
2 x USB C to Lightning

Adaptors could replace all those cables but I don't like the idea of multiple connections for a single cable and it would be a cable management nightmare.

Obviously I wouldn't have all that stuff plugged in at once but I want to have some extras, especially adaptors in case a cable fails when I need it.

The depressing bit is all those things will not benefit at all from USB C. I'm not against moving forward, stepping into the present/future, etc etc but I do prefer it in small doses.
 
to the OP - how are you enjoying your new iMac? I am finding myself in a similar predicament.

I have a 2008 iMac that my kids use, but it is being inconsistent with booting up lately and I think it is on its last legs. I use a late 2012 iMac, which I love and have no *need* to upgrade. However, if my kids need a new computer, then I will get a new one for me, and hand my 2012 down to them.

I love the ports and set up on my existing iMac. It seems that the 2015-16 models are still the same as the 2012 models in terms of ports. Would I find the 2016 to be significantly faster than my 2012 model? I use Photoshop, Bridge, and Lightroom daily and concurrently, plus Mail, Firefox, etc. (I've upgraded it to 32 GB RAM and would do the same on a new model). We thought about upgrading my computer in September, but held off to see if there was anything announced at the October release. I honestly don't think my 2008 model will last till March/April when the new iMacs are hoped for, but if worse comes to worse, my kids can share my 2012 for a few months if the 2008 just completely dies.

Normally I'd be excited by an upgrade, and the difference from moving to the 2008 to the 2012 was massive. I just don't feel like I'm going to get a similar boost so upgrading seems lackluster and almost a waste of money.
 
If apple replace all the i/o on the iMac for USB-C their decisions are completely beyond my understanding. It may be the future, but we are in the present and we are talking about a DESKTOP. The more connectivity you have on it without compromising form factor there's really no reason to sacrifice anything, in my opinion. Nobody wants dongles for every device. And honestly, apple is the only one I've seen so far standardizing USB-C...they CAN wait until the rest comes around before removing support for any other connections...They done similar with Thunderbolt and Firewire, never saw those taking off outside apples ecosystem either.. I would say Thunderbolt is nice but pretty much a failure to apple. They seem to think they have more overall impact on the industry than they actually have.
 
Other than having one ethernet connector, I'm all in favor of standardizing on USB-C. Time moves on, and when I spend my $3000 next year I want something different than what I bought 6 years ago. In the long run, it will mean less dongles rather than more.
 
OP, enjoy your iMac. I'd love for Apple to get up off their collectively pompous butts and make their products soar again.

Right now, my 2013 27" iMac (built in 2015) is just fine. I was drooling all over some of the Macbook and MBP deals this weekend, but I'll hold off especially since my usage is a joke these days.
 
Thinking about the amount of cables I will need is a bit depressing.

I would need to get.

1 x USB C to USB A Hub
2 x USB C to Micro USB (one very short, one ~3 feet long)
1 x USB C to Mini USB (Camera)
3 x USB C to USB A Adaptors
2 x USB C to Lightning

Adaptors could replace all those cables but I don't like the idea of multiple connections for a single cable and it would be a cable management nightmare.

Obviously I wouldn't have all that stuff plugged in at once but I want to have some extras, especially adaptors in case a cable fails when I need it.

The depressing bit is all those things will not benefit at all from USB C. I'm not against moving forward, stepping into the present/future, etc etc but I do prefer it in small doses.
You need one USB-C hub and no new cables at all.
 
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Other than having one ethernet connector, I'm all in favor of standardizing on USB-C.

"So why do you want that ethernet connector? 1 Gbps ethernet is a legacy standard, the latest WiFi standards are theoretically faster (on theoretical days when the wind is in the right direction, there aren't 100 other WiFi networks in range and nobody is microwaving their dinner) and USB-C/TB3 ports are ideal for attaching 10Gbps ethernet (if it ever becomes affordable)"

...is what the apologists will say when the 2017 iMac comes out with 2xTB3 on the 21.5", 4xTB3 on the 27", no ethernet, no SD slot, no optical out, soldered-in RAM, soldered-in SSD... but hey, it will be available in space grey and be 10% thinner and, if you're really lucky, Apple might release a new keyboard with a touch bar, no number pad and the keys inexplicitly shoe-horned together as if they had to fit on a 12" laptop...

Hoping to be proven wrong on this one but, ask yourself, what would the guy who designed the new rMBP do?

Now, I want multiple USB-C on any new computer I buy - its the future - but on a machine like the iMac, especially the 27", there's no reason why that it shouldn't have space for 4 x TB3/USB-C, 2 x USB-A, Ethernet, SD and audio.

I just meant it's less annoying on an AIO since you don't have to carry the dongles everywhere you go.

Quite true - one of the things putting me off the new rMBP is that I'd need slightly different cables and dongles for home, work and on-the-road to replicate my current "just plug in the cables on the desk" experience, or, to actually get an upgraded experience, separate docking stations for home and work - and the price of that that starts to add up rapidly to a significant fraction of the total outlay, especially if you don't want to risk frying your Mac with a cheap cable. Cabling up for a stationary iMac wouldn't be so bad. But, conversely, on a desktop machine, there's no sane reason to dump still-useful connectors to save space.

Also, 4 ports (4xTB3/USB-C) is less than 8 ports (4xUSB A, 2xTB2/miniDP, 1xEthernet, 1xSD). I counted it, twice. Now, those 4 new TB3 ports might have more theoretical bandwidth than the 8 old ports put together, but say you've currently got an Ethernet cable, a second display, a TB backup drive, a wired keyboard or 3rd Party mouse transmitter... (make up your own variations) then, whups that's all the ports taken (even though you're only using a fraction of the bandwidth) and you suddenly need a hub... now, on a laptop you'd call it a "dock" and point to how you could connect everything and re-charge with a single wire. On a desktop - its more clutter and probably another wall-wart to power it.
 
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Just to put a bit of perspective, we complain when apple does not seem to "innovate", and give us something that is forward thinking, but then when they roll out new Macs, with USB-C ports, we complain because they were quick to drop legacy ports.

I hope they don't drop the SD card port, but other then that, a simple USB-C hub will suffice for the majority of people.
 
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This was an interesting read except they still have OS X. It's still the best product of it's type.

There is no computer OS that can compare and I think as long as they still put out computers running it, people will buy. They don't even have any remote competition in terms of OS.

I can count ALL the reasons I still use Apple:

1. OS X
2. Logic Pro X (but I love Cubase on PC too so this is a weak reason to stay)

Apple no longer leads in innovation, performance, connectivity, upgradability or build quality.

Modern high-end Windows PCs are built as well as Apple these days.

I'll give Apple 2-3 years to release a touchscreen iMac, otherwise I'm out. I have faith that they will add it since touch is inevitable. Unfortunately Apple's giant ego doesn't want to look like they are copying Microsoft. So who knows when it'll be released...
 
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This was an interesting read except they still have OS X. It's still the best product of it's type.

There is no computer OS that can compare and I think as long as they still put out computers running it, people will buy. They don't even have any remote competition in terms of OS.

That's totally ridiculous and so fanboi. Most rational people will now readily concede that Windows 10 is just as competent as MacOS. Really this type of comment is so weak now and quite frankly should be consigned to the school playground.

It has no place in serious debate and makes it much harder to take anything else the poster may write seriously.
 
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