I don't think that is a good suggestion: there is a big shift towards mirrorless, and I think if you start afresh it's the perfect opportunity to evaluate whether you need a mirror in your camera or not.
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I hear what you are saying, I am a mirrorless shooter having moved from Canon DSLR. It is a better fit for me but that doesnt make 2 years experience with a particular model moot for the OP, and the OP is doing exactly what you say. They are evaluating. I am offering my perspective, my opinion, choose to accept or disregard, so it is a very good suggestion with all due respect.
Now, lenses outlast bodies and right now, any investment in glass will not be wasted. If the OP buys a DSLR today, and makes great pictures with it, it will not stop making great pictures because the market wants to buy mirrorless exclusively.
The camera body will depreciate, the glass can always be sold. The body will eventually need replaced. In the future when that day comes, then yes mirrorless may well be the way to go at that time but my A7Rii already adapts nicely to Canon glass AND most any other for that matter today so there is no reason to believe that the lenses will become defunct. By the time the OP needs to replace the body, then Canon may well have woken up and made a compelling mirrorless. My point is, the future is still to happen, The OP is sensible, they are seeking advice but right now, the camera being an extension of the photographer, key is to know your equipment and how to exploit it, then given all else equal in that any FF camera will be awesome regardless, then I believe the answer for the OP is to continue with Canon.
You are entitled to disagree but it doesnt make my suggestion good or bad. It is just that - a suggestion, a perspective from someone who has owned more cameras than they originally anticipated they would.
I think you've made a lot of good points, until you got to mirrorless. The OP has a Canon dslr that's hardly small and light. Yet no comment about looking for a lighter load.
I shoot Fuji, came from a D800. I did it for a smaller package as I travel months every year. I'm happy, I travel lighter. But ask me about any other parameter of the mirrorless world that's remotely superior to a dslr and I'd tell you nothing. The AF is far behind, lens pools are no where near as well populated, bodies change constantly -- seldom with comparable control sets, control sets are far behind dslr's which have decades of supporting Pro's and have optimized their control sets. I can easily move from one Nikon body to another, glance at the buttons and know how they work. I can't even figure out how to navigate the difference in AF or MF between my 2 Fuji bodies as well as their different style MF focusing rings in their lenses -- which cause buttons to change functionality between settings on the lenses as well as between the lenses. I started my journey with Sony. Fuji is heaven compared to Sony. Plenty of high quality lenses, usable jpegs, better control sets.
While your comment may be good, it's not relevant to this thread.
I have to disagree with you: Going mirrorless is an industry trend, and lots of photographers are switching away from dslrs to mirrorless cameras. From the tone of the OP's posts, it seems to me that it didn't occur to him to consider a mirrorless camera. And when you start afresh, you have a unique opportunity to pick a system based on merits and personal preference rather than inertia. I think it's be foolish not to consider mirrorless cameras at this stage.
Mirrorless cameras have evolved to the point where they are so much more than good enough in the areas that you mention. The AF of my X100s is so much better than that of the Sigma DP1 that I used to own, mirrorless cameras have come a long way. The OP is interested in the essentials when it comes to lenses, and most camera makers satisfy his needs here.
but no one is saying don't consider them. Also, the trend of the industry is one thing, but it doesn't mean you have to do it. Hell the trend here in the UK is to buy smaller more efficient cars yet you still see people driving big engine sports coupes and SUVs. The trend is just that, it is a statistical indicator of directionality. It is not a law or a rule.
Like I said, I shoot Sony FF mirrorless having moved here from DSLRs but I did that for reasons of portability and subsequent increased likelihood of using my camera. The OP gives the impression that their photography is more than just as an enthusiast user so again, I think there is merit in continuing with what they know.
You mirrorless fanatics are becoming insufferable. Really...give it a rest for five minutes.
Please. I've so far owned 6 reasonably expensive mirrorless cameras. Take away small and light and there are only disadvantages vs the OP's current kit. The AF on your X100T may be better than the old X100 (I've had both) or your DP1, but its very deficient compared to my XT1 which happens to be orders of magnitude worst than my old D800 once I select AFC.
Judging from the OP's comments, he is graduating from a Canon intensive school. I'm assuming he's looking for a working camera system that will serve him in a professional role. Things like flash systems, control set functionality and consistency between bodies and all sorts of peripherals compatibility are important considerations. I can't imagine a Pro starting out with mirrorless at this point in its development. Pro's that are well established in a genre that permits using mirrorless may make that move for a lighter load. But this is not the case with respect to the OP. You do him a disservice suggesting moving to mirrorless when the purchase of a simple slave flash system can turn into a major research task with few, if any, solutions.
Perhaps you misread my posts and we are arguing about nothing: I have only said that it would be wise for the OP to consider mirrorless cameras as an option in addition to dslrs.
I own a dslr (a D7000), so you don't have to explain to me how much better a good dslr is in this department, trust me, I know. Every time I take out my dslr I can feel the difference. But for a lot of people the AF in non-dslrs have gotten so good that the advantages outweigh the downsides. That's why – before giving my recommendation – my first question was what the OP intends to use his cameras for. And he didn't mention things like sports or other action-laden genres, and so I merely suggested to include mirrorless cameras in his considerations.
I cannot speak for all mirrorless systems, by my two Speedlights work just fine in manual mode on my Fuji, and I can even trigger my other Speedlight. Of course, I'd have to get a Fuji or Fuji-compatible flash to be able to use TTL, but honestly I don't need that. To get an idea how “difficult” it is to use a flash on a mirrorless camera, have a look at David Hobby's strobist.
Thats cool. Just your posts were questioning my suggestions as if I were actively discouraging mirrorless which i am not as a mirrorless shooter myself.
Sorry, I should have been more clear: I was encouraging to look beyond Canon and include other brands such as Nikon, Pentax, Sony and Fuji, irrespective of whether they are dslrs or mirrorless cameras. I can see how you can read it as “look at mirrorless cameras” instead.
You guys are all off base. The OP has to go with a Nikon dslr. Where else do you get a really cool red swoosh? It's all that matters.
Quality isn't as important to others as it is to us Nikon owners
Lol... you like to stoke the fires of controversy don't you?
If we are talking red details... then lets bring Leica back in the mix too... AND they are mirrorless...
no AF issues on Leica.... because there is no AF to have issues with! [doublepost=1452951131][/doublepost]
Quality isn't as important to others as it is to us Nikon owners
Of course not.... because WE all get quality as a given.... you guys have to work at it.... ooof!!! there's a line drawn
Its just a joke!!!
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Don't get me wrong.... I am laughing here. Every fibre in my body is telling me yell SONY MIRRORLESS is the future! but I am trying not to be a fanboy...
I actually think Sony are doing good things at the moment. Even as a Nikon guy, having a new kid on the block pushing the envelope, it means the existing players have to up their game.Lol... you like to stoke the fires of controversy don't you?
If we are talking red details... then lets bring Leica back in the mix too... AND they are mirrorless...
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Of course not.... because WE all get quality as a given.... you guys have to work at it.... ooof!!! there's a line drawn
Its just a joke!!!
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Don't get me wrong.... I am laughing here. Every fibre in my body is telling me yell SONY MIRRORLESS is the future! but I am trying not to be a fanboy...
Looks like Nikon have done that with the D5/D500. I'm sure Cannon will do something similar.
The biggest issue right now with mirrorless systems is the lack of lenses. You can get adapters but nothing beats native glass for your camera if you use auto focus. That being said the native lenses that are available for mirrorless are excellent (with Sony's line while limited being priced extremely well for their performance). Any system will be great but if building anew it makes sense to go with the industry trend of mirrorless. If you can live with manual focus you can utilize fantastic legacy lenses on the Sony A7 range from the likes of Minolta, Nikon, Leica, Zeiss, and so on with inexpensive adapters.I never thought Sony could be a major player in the camera world but their excellent products push others to innovate as well.
Who needs a "red swoosh" when you can have a "red ring" around the best glass??? LOL. I had to say it.
Who needs a "red swoosh" when you can have a "red ring" around the best glass??? LOL. I had to say it.
I think you need to be over on webmd.com if you want to discuss your red ring.... thats a whole different issue right there!
Quality isn't as important to others as it is to us Nikon owners
ROFLMAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you need to be over on webmd.com if you want to discuss your red ring.... thats a whole different issue right there!
LOL. That made my day!
Look at my signature. If my photos are crap, it's not the gear letting me down! Just the muppet behind the lens!
Plus Nikon is better than Cannon because I say so!
Look at my signature. If my photos are crap, it's not the gear letting me down! Just the muppet behind the lens!
Plus Nikon is better than Cannon because I say so!
Couldnt agree more....
Though you two can slug it out all you want... We Sony shooters will be out making art when you are finished...
Couldnt agree more....
Though you two can slug it out all you want... We Sony shooters will be out making art when you are finished...
Yeah right!