Finally 1920x1080p screens.

[Beeplance]

I don't understand why we need such ultra-clear screens on a mobile device, it's not a HD TV btw. The iPhone 5's current resolution of 1136 by 640 is enough for me, it's already very clear. As a matter of fact, saw this post the other day regarding retina displays.

The human eyes and 300 DPI claim came from the desktop publishing world, where it's generally accepted that ANY image or artwork printed above 300 lines per inch in screen is considered "continuous," as in human eyes can no longer discern the screen dots that make up the image at that resolution. Go grab a print-out from your typical laser printer, and hold it 8-12" away from your eyes, and tell me if you can see ANY of the pixels that make up solid letters. You can't. It is actually generally accepted that human eyes can not discern anything above approximately 240 lines per inch screen when printed and viewed from a normal reading distance, therefore anything above that will be a complete waste.

Since display pixels are capable of generating image in a different way than traditional offset printing screens, it's an easy correlation to make that anything over 240 pixels per inch on a screen will also be impossible to detect as far as the edges of the pixels are concerned. So from a desktop publishing professional's stand point, retina displays are in fact high definition enough to reproduce images that are impossible to detect the edges of pixels just like a high-end printer.

When retina display technology was first defined, it was in fact referring to how the new iPhones and iPads' screens are equivalent or superior to PRINTED pages.

Apparently, I don't need anything clearer than a printed page. If Apple's gonna lose any customers because of this, it'll probably be only you.

 

[VinegarTasters]

You couldn't pay me to walk around with one of those idiotic huge phones. The 4" screen is the max for me. I still cant believe people are dumb enough to buy huge phones. Why not just pick up a giant block phone from 1980?

I laugh at people who actually think the Note is cool. What a joke.

I know how you feel, but have you actually used one? While iPhone is trying to sell one 4" phone that is too tall too narrow. Samsung is selling Note 2, Galaxy S3, and a bunch of other sizes. It looks like for them the best sellers are the galaxy S3 and the Note 2. Both are 4.8" and 5.5" (both beyond 4" screen of iPhone 5). They sell more phones than iPhone (JUST SAMSUNG! not including other android phones like the HTC Droid DNA that I think will overtake Galaxy S3). Combined, just these two Samsung models sell more than the ONLY ONE MODEL of iPhone 5. If you take iPhone 4S and older models into consideration, then Galaxy SII and NOTE 1 over takes them as well. So this will be a loss game for Apple if they don't wake up and see the light...

LARGE SIZE SCREENS SELL MORE THAN NARROW/SMALL SIZE SCREENS! This is the trend going forward and there is no "catching up" because the momentum is exponential going forwards for large size screens. If Apple does not come up with an answer to large size screens, they will be the minority, like button phones becoming minority to touch screens.

But the good size is 5" at 1080p. I think HTC made a good call. It is better than Galaxy S3 (and of course iphone 5) because of the 1080p screen (that is if you take out slow java out of the equation).

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I don't understand why we need such ultra-clear screens on a mobile device, it's not a HD TV btw. The iPhone 5's current resolution of 1136 by 640 is enough for me, it's already very clear. As a matter of fact, saw this post the other day regarding retina displays.



Apparently, I don't need anything clearer than a printed page. If Apple's gonna lose any customers because of this, it'll probably be only you.

There are a lot of real smart people who knows about dpi.

Look here for summary:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364871,00.asp

A printed page is now currently at 1400dpi for laser printers. Why? Because people can see the dots at 600dpi and 300dpi. If they COULDN'T see it, why push for 1400dpi? Because 1400dpi is about the arms length that people can't tell between the dots when held in front of you (including 6 inches). So if printer makers are aiming for 1400dpi, why is the iPhone stuck at 326dpi at 3-4 inches?

I like Apple, but someone has to wake them up. If not, it will be a repeat of Macintosh losing to Windows. And we know how that went...

 

[as0016]

In quarter 3 of this year Apple sold only 1.8 million iphone 4s less than the samsung galaxy s3. Given that the phone was old at that point (much older than the s3), that the iphone 5 was coming out, and that the iphone 5 didcome out before the end of the quarter (and sold 6 million units in q3) I would not exactly say that the people were significantly choosing the galaxy s3 sized screen over the smaller. Also remember the difference in profit margins. Apple's profit is not only made in volume, but also in their significant margins per unit. I don't think they're exactly hurting or will hurt too significantly if they don't jump to the mondo sized screen trend quickly.

 

[wepiii]

I know how you feel, but have you actually used one? While iPhone is trying to sell one 4" phone that is too tall too narrow. Samsung is selling Note 2, Galaxy S3, and a bunch of other sizes. It looks like for them the best sellers are the galaxy S3 and the Note 2. Both are 4.8" and 5.5" (both beyond 4" screen of iPhone 5). They sell more phones than iPhone (JUST SAMSUNG! not including other android phones like the HTC Droid DNA that I think will overtake Galaxy S3). Combined, just these two Samsung models sell more than the ONLY ONE MODEL of iPhone 5. If you take iPhone 4S and older models into consideration, then Galaxy SII and NOTE 1 over takes them as well. So this will be a loss game for Apple if they don't wake up and see the light...

LARGE SIZE SCREENS SELL MORE THAN NARROW/SMALL SIZE SCREENS! This is the trend going forward and there is no "catching up" because the momentum is exponential going forwards for large size screens. If Apple does not come up with an answer to large size screens, they will be the minority, like button phones becoming minority to touch screens.

But the good size is 5" at 1080p. I think HTC made a good call. It is better than Galaxy S3 (and of course iphone 5) because of the 1080p screen (that is if you take out slow java out of the equation).

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There are a lot of real smart people who knows about dpi.

Look here for summary:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364871,00.asp

A printed page is now currently at 1400dpi for laser printers. Why? Because people can see the dots at 600dpi and 300dpi. If they COULDN'T see it, why push for 1400dpi? Because 1400dpi is about the arms length that people can't tell between the dots when held in front of you (including 6 inches). So if printer makers are aiming for 1400dpi, why is the iPhone stuck at 326dpi at 3-4 inches?

I like Apple, but someone has to wake them up. If not, it will be a repeat of Macintosh losing to Windows. And we know how that went...

What do you mean we know how that went? Mac OS X is exactly what it was intended to be. Clearly they wanted it to only work on their own hardware, unlike Microsoft. Take a look at their cash reserves and their stock listing. I'm pretty sure they are doing ok. What the hell are you even talking about anyway? No business person or serious adult (probably the majority of iphone owners) would continue to use an iphone if it was 5 inches. It looks silly. Apple is not gonna change what they do because of your post, any fad, or any other stupid reason. They are going to continue to do what has gotten them where they are. Just buy whatever big phone you were talking about and move on. We will see you back after awhile when you realize how silly you look holding a laptop up to your face.

 

[bradkb]

I dont and cannot understand the need for a huge screen, I did fall for specs and screen size without much thought.

I used to be blackberry through and through, had one for years, was old faithful, but then I saw blackberry lose its way, and other innovation occur.

My wife had an android and I had a play, and liked it.

Then the Motorola Droid Razr Maxx came out promising great battery life and I thought at last a smartphone that could give me the battery life that my old blackberry could.

Sadly the screen was too big. The phone had the same footprint size as the galaxy s3, and to be honest it made the phone clumsy. The amount of times I dropped it getting it out of my pocket.

Way too big. So I started to shop around again, and the iPhone5 came out.

Love it, perfect size, not too big, not too small.

After all, its a phone, I can check email, look something up on the web, text, and maybe play a few games, use satnav if lost, do you really need much more?

 

[darster]

Eh... actually 1080p means something below 1 1/2 feet (length of your arm holding phone)

Wrong.
http://www.digital-digest.com/articles/HDTV_Viewing_Distance_Calculator_Guide_page1.html

 

[Beeplance]

You know, VingerTaster, if you trying to reason with us/convince us that 1080p screens are better, you're better off saving your energy. It may be better, but most people here as well as out there are already satisfied with the iPhone's retina display because its already very clear. If you want a phone with a 1080p display, go ahead, no one is stopping you. But you should stop convincing people that that 1080p screen is good for THEM.

 

[JediZenMaster]

You don't get it do you? I am an Apple fan. I bought 2 iPhones, and was about to buy the iPhone 5, until these 1080p screens came out. If someone like me (who hates android because of the slow java, but may be warm to them releasing android+ with pure C/C++ code), has second thoughts, it says something is seriously wrong with the direction of Apple knowing what customers want.

Its like this: The iPhone came out and changed the industry, with each phone now having touch screen. The 1080p with glorious gaming came out and now all phones have 1080p display for camera/games/etc. While Apple is now the one who is behind, stuck in thumb length width screen.

All phones have 1080 displays? This thread is full of something and it is not win.

First of all You are not the voice of anyone but yourself so when you say people are demanding 1080p displays. The so called spec obsessed nerds don't count because they are a minority as opposed to majority.

There is only one 1080p phone released in the us the others are pretty much 720p ips displays and most of those have coulors that are very saturated and not realistic looking like on the iphone see the (galaxy s3 for a prime example)

 

[VinegarTasters]

Wrong.
http://www.digital-digest.com/articles/HDTV_Viewing_Distance_Calculator_Guide_page1.html

Thanks for this. I used the calculator for 1080p for 5" screen, and it came up with .65 feet (about 8-10 inches in front of you). THAT is the perfect size for viewing movies and gaming held in front of you. Of course if you hold it at 6 inches, higher DPI (up to 1000dpi) would be better. The article doesn't take into account perfect eyesight and scientific study, so at 12 inches it matches 477dpi and 1100dpi at 6inches that I posted in the previous article at pcmag.

Note that these resolutions (477 and 1100 dpi) are way higher than 326dpi of iPhone 5. These are all within arms length, and Apple needs to seriously consider bigger screen to take advantage of more pixels. There are studies that say people want more pixels and bigger screens. If Apple is still stuck with one or two people thinking they can predict that everyone only wants thumb length width screens, then they are in for one hell of a wakeup call. I think the stocks are falling currently, so maybe this is good, as it will shake them up and face reality. Get some reality check before a repeat of the blunders of not getting ahead of the trend.

 

[Beeplance]

Thanks for this. I used the calculator for 1080p for 5" screen, and it came up with .65 feet (about 8-10 inches in front of you). THAT is the perfect size for viewing movies and gaming held in front of you. Of course if you hold it at 6 inches, higher DPI (up to 1000dpi) would be better. The article doesn't take into account perfect eyesight and scientific study, so at 12 inches it matches 477dpi and 1100dpi at 6inches that I posted in the previous article at pcmag.

Note that these resolutions (477 and 1100 dpi) are way higher than 326dpi of iPhone 5. These are all within arms length, and Apple needs to seriously consider bigger screen to take advantage of more pixels. There are studies that say people want more pixels and bigger screens. If Apple is still stuck with one or two people thinking they can predict that everyone only wants thumb length width screens, then they are in for one hell of a wakeup call. I think the stocks are falling currently, so maybe this is good, as it will shake them up and face reality. Get some reality check before a repeat of the blunders of not getting ahead of the trend.

Contrary to your belief, Apple stocks is not falling solely because they failed to release a phone with a 1080p display. You must be so naive to even come up with such a thought.

 

[SomeDudeAsking]

Apple has already been left behind and lack innovation. The Android companies are innovating faster and better at this point. Apple really can't use a 1080p screen for an iPhone because iOS and all iOS can't adapt to it without being rewritten. They are screwed either way because of inflexibility due to technical reasons or because of the Apple superiority complex.

 

[bradkb]

Apple has already been left behind and lack innovation. The Android companies are innovating faster and better at this point. Apple really can't use a 1080p screen for an iPhone because iOS and all iOS can't adapt to it without being rewritten. They are screwed either way because of inflexibility due to technical reasons or because of the Apple superiority complex.

Apple cant do it? Really? Latest iPad resolution... is that not running iOS? Just because they haven't does not indicate that they cannot.

 

[Bahroo]

It looks like the industry finally caught up with demand.

1920x1080p screens at 5"

These phones have them:
HTC Droid DNA
Sony Xperia Yuga/Odin

If Apple doesn't wake up, and release a 5" screen supporting 1920x1080p, I am afraid they will finally lose all the customers. If someone like myself is willing to jump ship for this screen and put up with the slow java on android, it says something about the direction Apple not knowing what customers want.

They will lose all customers because they dont make a 5 inch phone which only attracts a certain cliche of people? What kind of logic do you have ?

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I dont and cannot understand the need for a huge screen, I did fall for specs and screen size without much thought.

I used to be blackberry through and through, had one for years, was old faithful, but then I saw blackberry lose its way, and other innovation occur.

My wife had an android and I had a play, and liked it.

Then the Motorola Droid Razr Maxx came out promising great battery life and I thought at last a smartphone that could give me the battery life that my old blackberry could.

Sadly the screen was too big. The phone had the same footprint size as the galaxy s3, and to be honest it made the phone clumsy. The amount of times I dropped it getting it out of my pocket.

Way too big. So I started to shop around again, and the iPhone5 came out.

Love it, perfect size, not too big, not too small.

After all, its a phone, I can check email, look something up on the web, text, and maybe play a few games, use satnav if lost, do you really need much more?

Yeah your right, coming from a GS3 I found it to be just a bit too big even though it was nice looking at web content. If it was smaller the GS3 would much better

 

[Salukipilot4590]

I have never met a person outside of this forum who is demanding a larger iPhone.

I'd like one...the 5 is definitely nice but I wouldn't mind a larger screen.

Not complaining though.

 

[malias4]

I think now with ipad mini on stage iphone screen will stay as it is for a couple of years

 

[tjl3]

At 6 inches... you can see dots at 1000dpi.

At 12 inches... you can see dots at 500dpi.

The Retina display is clearly not at full potential (326 dpi). The 443dpi of 1080p screen at 6 inches is fine. While the Retina would be lacking at such close distance, with dots too big.

Your eyes are way too good at 20/15 or better... But to be honest my 20/20 vision (probably a bit worse) is fine w/ the current resolutions.

I guess, realistically, HTC and Sony can't fall any further.

 

[Zwhaler]

You couldn't pay me to walk around with one of those idiotic huge phones. The 4" screen is the max for me. I still cant believe people are dumb enough to buy huge phones. Why not just pick up a giant block phone from 1980?

I laugh at people who actually think the Note is cool. What a joke.

Just because you dislike larger phones doesn't mean they're a joke. I think the Note 2 is awesome. I used an iphone for 4 years. I had the iphone 4 for 2 and a half years, and iOS 6 felt like a step backward as someone that relies heavily on maps. People want choice. If you want Apple to make almost all the choices, and go with their product. I like the fact that my phone is a straight up beast and can handle whatever I throw at it including true multitasking without hiccups. Battery life is also much better than the iphone.

I'm not anti iphone, I just want a choice in these matters that are important to me. Everyone I've talked to that switched to the Note from the iphone said they'd never go back. Add me to that list until apple puts out a more competitive offering. They want you to own an iphone and an iPad. The note is like having an iPad mini that's more compact, and higher res, has adobe flash and can make calls as a bonus.

 

[aznguyen316]

Battery life was dismal on the Droid. Read the Verge review.

I've only seen the Verge make this claim about battery life...

From all else I'm seeing very good and on par and often better than the Galaxy S3 which has been noted for its strong battery. 3.5-4hours screen time for the DNA is very good IMO.

 

[Prime85]

Just because you dislike larger phones doesn't mean they're a joke. I think the Note 2 is awesome. I used an iphone for 4 years. I had the iphone 4 for 2 and a half years, and iOS 6 felt like a step backward as someone that relies heavily on maps. People want choice. If you want Apple to make almost all the choices, and go with their product. I like the fact that my phone is a straight up beast and can handle whatever I throw at it including true multitasking without hiccups. Battery life is also much better than the iphone.

I'm not anti iphone, I just want a choice in these matters that are important to me. Everyone I've talked to that switched to the Note from the iphone said they'd never go back. Add me to that list until apple puts out a more competitive offering. They want you to own an iphone and an iPad. The note is like having an iPad mini that's more compact, and higher res, has adobe flash and can make calls as a bonus.

My iPhone 5 battery lasts much longer then my S3. Also note 2 does not have Flash. No more flash from 4.1 and up

 

[GroundLoop]

The good thing about android is that you don't have to rely on Google for everything. If you want flash, you can still get it on jelly bean if you install the ICS version of the .apk, but it isn't supported officially.

I somewhat agree with the op in concept, just not the specifics. More and more people do want larger, higher resolution screens than what the iPhone is providing. I do not think that 1080p is a driver yet, but there will be many more 1080p phones next year at the 5" size, including the rumored GS4. IOS is going to have some difficulty adapting to changing user desires due to how it handles graphics at different resolutions. Don't get me wrong, android isn't perfect either, but it handles these changes better than iOS at this point in time.

If apple could double their resolution from 1136x640 to 2272x1280, I am sure they would. But with the current IOS architecture, that would have to be apple's next step if they were to make a larger, higher resolution phone.

 

[cynics]

My iPhone 5 battery lasts much longer then my S3. Also note 2 does not have Flash. No more flash from 4.1 and up

Just side load it. Literally takes seconds to enable flash on 4.1 - 4.2 if you still want to use it....

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What do you mean we know how that went? Mac OS X is exactly what it was intended to be. Clearly they wanted it to only work on their own hardware, unlike Microsoft. Take a look at their cash reserves and their stock listing. I'm pretty sure they are doing ok. What the hell are you even talking about anyway? No business person or serious adult (probably the majority of iphone owners) would continue to use an iphone if it was 5 inches. It looks silly. Apple is not gonna change what they do because of your post, any fad, or any other stupid reason. They are going to continue to do what has gotten them where they are. Just buy whatever big phone you were talking about and move on. We will see you back after awhile when you realize how silly you look holding a laptop up to your face.

Only a child would pick form over function and think using a phone that is ONE INCH taller then an iPhone an less then that wider "looks silly". Adults pick the device that works best for there lifestyle. My phone preference (IPhone 4S) has nothing to do with how I thought people would think I looked while using it, now that would be silly....

 

[matttye]

Who holds their phone at 6" from their face? Seems very close...

I'd rather have a lower resolution screen that still looks great and doesn't destroy battery life.

 

[Rogifan]

What's the battery life on th DNA and how much does the phone weigh? c|net said its the best Android phone on Verizon, but the Verge didn't give it a great review (outside of the display). But hey I'm all for any other Android maker providing Samsung some competition.

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Apple has already been left behind and lack innovation. The Android companies are innovating faster and better at this point. Apple really can't use a 1080p screen for an iPhone because iOS and all iOS can't adapt to it without being rewritten. They are screwed either way because of inflexibility due to technical reasons or because of the Apple superiority complex.

Ok serious question is this 1080p screen going to look better than the screen on the iPhone 5 to most people? I look at my iPhone 5 today close up and I cannot discern individual pixels. At what point is this something that's more for spec sheet bragging rights than anything else?

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The Samsung Note II (5.5 inch display) is even bigger than 5". And that phone is currently selling 3 MILLION a month. Samsung now commands close to 65% of all smartphones, with Apple and the rest dividing up the pie. All I am asking is a 5" with 1080p screen. I don't know what is up with Apple. Are they blind to the demand? Who made up that stupid rule about thumb length being max width of screen?

Can you provide a link or a source for the Galaxy Note selling 3 million per month? Did that come from Samsung?

 

[VinegarTasters]

Ok. Lets get to the point. ALL Blu-ray movies and Television shows either fall into 1280x720 (HD) or 1920x1080 (Full HD) resolution.

A 1920x1080P display would show FULL HD movies without any shrinking or expanding of the movie to fit the screen. A regular HD movie will fit in either (1080p or 720p display) without any resizing. But you can expand it to fit 1080p display, which is normally done in the GPU.

The bitter pill is this: ALL HD and FULL HD movies would need to shrink to fit existing phones out there (including iPhone 5). The iPhone 5 can't display either without resizing movies. Resizing movies changes the original pixels, which would make the movie less enjoyable. A 1920x1080p display can play both (HD and FULL HD) just fine. Shrinking is worse than expanding. Shrinking you lose pixels. Expanding you don't lose any. This is why 1080p is the holy grail of resolution. You don't need to shrink 1080p blu-ray movies. What you get in the film is what you see in the screen.

Even PlayStation 3 and XBox 360 games can ALL fit into 1080p display without losing pixels (that is if the game engine can run fast enough on the hardware). Casual games has no problems either.

Now, here is the killer... Android needs to get rid of Java as a requirement. Put the layer between the metal and the app pure C/C++ or assembly. Otherwise, no matter how fast Android handset manufacturers make the phone, C running on iPhone will blow it away with just small changes in hardware. You can add in Java at the app layer via compatibility. But allow apps that can totally bypass the slow java layer (including interfaces and all in-between APIs). Call it Android+ or whatever, but if Android wants to think ahead and ALSO beat Microsoft, then it needs to do this.

Otherwise, Windows Phone will end up beating both Apple and Google once their app offerings picks up (they allow metal to app with pure C/C++/Assembly OS layer). This time around Microsoft has enough resources to copy Apple's good parts and Google's good parts. In this case higher resolution (like HTC), and better software (not stuck with Objective-C or the slow Java in Android, but C/C++).

Ok I've started enough 3 way bickering for now. Hope these companies gets it before it becomes only a monopoly (looks like Windows until Android wakes up to slow Java and slow apps that can't compete with Apple). Apple MIGHT be relevant if they would only get their act together.

 

[cynics]

What's the battery life on th DNA and how much does the phone weigh? c|net said its the best Android phone on Verizon, but the Verge didn't give it a great review (outside of the display). But hey I'm all for any other Android maker providing Samsung some competition.

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Ok serious question is this 1080p screen going to look better than the screen on the iPhone 5 to most people? I look at my iPhone 5 today close up and I cannot discern individual pixels. At what point is this something that's more for spec sheet bragging rights than anything else?

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Can you provide a link or a source for the Galaxy Note selling 3 million per month? Did that come from Samsung?

The imagines will be larger and of higher quality yes....I doubt it will be extremely noticeable though. When smashing 1920x1080 down to a screen that fits in your pocket its going to look very sharp....in the end size makes a bigger difference to me, a video is more enjoyable on a 4.5"+ devices vs 3.5" - 4.0" with not as much regard to quality....