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Zaft

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For me, lag is having to open apps in iOS to get the same info available via widgets on an Android home screen. Same thing for having to access control/notification menus to toggle something that's one-touch on-screen in Android. I'm constantly checking NBA scores on the Gametime app widget. It would drive me nuts to have to open the app every time to do the same in iOS.

...adding, my Moto x 2014 on VZW Lollipop is virtually lag free, with only the occasional home screen re-draw (running Nova launcher).

IOS has widgets now in the notification bar. Accessible from anywhere.
 

jamezr

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IOS has widgets now in the notification bar. Accessible from anywhere.

sure....how do they work? Can you change them and position them anywhere you want? they are widgets. But they are more work to get to than a widget on a home screen that displays information without having to make any extra effort.
 

Zaft

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sure....how do they work? Can you change them and position them anywhere you want? they are widgets. But they are more work to get to than a widget on a home screen that displays information without having to make any extra effort.

I consider it a plus that it can be accessed anywhere. For example if I'm in an app I can swipe down instead of going back to the home screen.

Anyway android has that also. Point is IOS has widgets that work well.
 

jamezr

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I consider it a plus that it can be accessed anywhere. For example if I'm in an app I can swipe down instead of going back to the home screen.

Anyway android has that also. Point is IOS has widgets that work well.

They work....but the promise of the extensions and future functionality has not evolved. With Android widgets you can create a widget from just about any app you install. then you can place it in the place it will be the most useful to you.
 

Zaft

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They work....but the promise of the extensions and future functionality has not evolved. With Android widgets you can create a widget from just about any app you install. then you can place it in the place it will be the most useful to you.

Wont argue there, you can pretty much do anything with them, including putting them on the notification bar.
 

rmsanger

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And another thread turns into iOS v Android

this I find those type of discussions to be the least valuable use of time.

Its best to compare Android on different applications on phones across the platform that this stupid discussion.
 

Robisan

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And another thread turns into iOS v Android

Or we could be discussing a different way of looking at lag.

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Its best to compare Android on different applications on phones across the platform that this stupid discussion.

So that's ok but comparing how an app (and its widget) works in Android vs iOS puts you on the fainting couch with the vapors?
 

MRU

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Or we could be discussing a different way of looking at lag.

Nope. Its the usual trope as soon as anyone mentions lag on android instead of discussing it the defences go up and iOS is spat out.

Some Android devices lag - a physical delay between pressing an icon or object on screen and the resulting launch/animation that follows.

Heck YouTube app itself has long been a notable example of an app on nearly all android devices where there is a physical delay when pressing icon and app launches.

Some Android Skins lag more than others not just in launching apps but in general UI fluidity.

Its just the way it is. Things are improving with raw horsepower doing the work on non stock devices. But it still rears its ugly head...
 

Zaft

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Nope. Its the usual trope as soon as anyone mentions lag on android instead of discussing it the defences go up and iOS is spat out.

Some Android devices lag - a physical delay between pressing an icon or object on screen and the resulting launch/animation that follows.

Heck YouTube app itself has long been a notable example of an app on nearly all android devices where there is a physical delay when pressing icon and app launches.

Some Android Skins lag more than others not just in launching apps but in general UI fluidity.

Its just the way it is. Things are improving with raw horsepower doing the work on non stock devices. But it still rears its ugly head...

Sense is one of the fastest skins of android I have tried.
 

MRU

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Sense is one of the fastest skins of android I have tried.
Yep HTC went back to the starting block. They literally scrapped everything before and built Sense 5 from scratch.

In the process they created an android skin which almost matches stock android in both fluidity, and even memory / ram usage.

Its proof that it is entirely possible for Samsung to do a new touchwiz properly, however whilst S6/6e touchwiz is an improvement, its clear its just new launcher on top of all the old legacy Touchwiz as ever.

Heck Tizen on low power hardware is very nippy, just further proof that building something from scratch can pay dividends.

LG's emotion ux is similarly bloated and built on legacies of old.

Even my Z2 whilst generally smooth suffered lag within its UI especially in the app drawer and when browsing widgets. Yet it was still faster & fluid than Touchwiz on S5.

My nexus isn't immune to lag. Swiping away apps fast in recents screen will sometimes cause a pause / stutter or residual artefact hanging briefly.

I never understood why YouTube on android continues to exhibit a delay from press to launch regardless of device or skin.
 

bubulol

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Yes people seem to be paradoxical
While they claim, benchmarks sucks, its for geeks, my iphone doesnt need much more specs and in the other hands, they keep analyzing every single lag they can see from interface
I really dont care about lag issue since i have most of high premium smartphone, i never observed any lag issue on Xperia, iPhone even Galaxy S serie...
 

jahall05

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S6 speed

I have an S6 and it doesn't lag like the previous Samsung devices have...it still hiccups every once in a while, but definite improvement. I also found that if you go to developer options and lower the animation speeds to 0.5x for all the animation settings it seems way faster.
 

Zaft

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I only played around with the S6 in the store, but it's a big improvement over the gs5 for speed. Not sure if I noticed lag per say, Samsung is going in the right direction.
 

Robisan

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Nope. Its the usual trope as soon as anyone mentions lag on android instead of discussing it the defences go up and iOS is spat out.

Some Android devices lag - a physical delay between pressing an icon or object on screen and the resulting launch/animation that follows.

Never said they didn't. However, like most things in life, there are benefits and drawbacks to the options available. Furthermore, there are broader ways of looking at lag than your narrow definition. I'll thank you to not ascribe (false) motivations to my posts, nor appoint yourself arbiter of what's permitted discussion.
 

MRU

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I'll thank you to not ascribe (false) motivations to my posts, nor appoint yourself arbiter of what's permitted discussion.

And in making such a disingenuous statement, it is you that is actually doing that very thing your claiming I have done.

Oh well, at least I understand the concept of Irony.
 

Robisan

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Nope. Its the usual trope as soon as anyone mentions lag on android instead of discussing it the defences go up and iOS is spat out.

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And in making such a disingenuous statement, it is you that is actually doing that very thing your claiming I have done.

Oh well, at least I understand the concept of Irony.

Perhaps you should learn the concept of self-awareness.
 

MRU

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Perhaps you should learn the concept of self-awareness.


Maybe you should understand context a little better.

Your quoting a post that wasn't referring to your post specifically - but pointing out that as soon as anyone starts a thread on lag with an android device, users start pulling in iOS into the discussion as some form of countering the argument / complaint - when it has no relevance.

Android lag should be discussed in context of other android devices, but instead we get the usual recourse of 'iOS lags' or 'I don't see lag - therefore it can't exist at all ' style of counter points that always crop up when someone raises this very subject.
 

Robisan

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Maybe you should understand context a little better.

Your quoting a post that wasn't referring to your post specifically ...

Now you're devolving into sheer comedy. Here's your comment again, including the intro quote:

Originally Posted by Robisan

Or we could be discussing a different way of looking at lag.

Nope. Its the usual trope as soon as anyone mentions lag on android instead of discussing it the defences go up and iOS is spat out....

Can't imagine how someone could think you were referring to a post of mine... :rolleyes: Not to mention that it was my post (@#25) that raised the "usual trope".
 

MRU

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Now you're devolving into sheer comedy. Here's your comment again, including the intro quote:



Can't imagine how someone could think you were referring to a post of mine... :rolleyes: Not to mention that it was my post (@#25) that raised the "usual trope".
So despite me explaining the context and that despite quoting you to show I was replying to you - that my statement wasn't explicitly about you (surprisingly not everything is) but posters in general bringing iPhone into this - you still insist on telling me what my post means.

Ironic because

I'll thank you to not ascribe (false) motivations to my posts, nor appoint yourself arbiter of what's permitted discussion.

Amazing that you still don't get the irony. Bless.
 

Technarchy

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The last phone I had which was laggy was the Samsung Galaxy S4. It was horrible and I dumped it as soon as I could afford to do so.

The S5, iPhone 6, Note 4 and S6 were all smooth performers. I don't regard the occasional hiccup or frame drop as laggy. iPhones are not special in this area. They too are guilty.

Lag to me is prevalent through the UI, UX, app loading, task switching and touch responsiveness. Where most of the experience feels like it is long after an input is made.

An S6 example of real lag is Briefing. It's terrible and I never use it because it's so laggy. The flipboard app is way better.
 
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lowendlinux

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I don't notice much if any lag on my phone but I don't swoop and swipe much. Like on my I use search to find the stuff I need so really I just open the app drawer and hit the magnifying glass. I'd imagine though that lag for FPS and delay when opening stuff has more to do with RAM and storage access speed than the OS underpinnings.
 

Robisan

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So despite me explaining the context ... that my statement wasn't explicitly about you (surprisingly not everything is) but posters in general ...

Right. You disparage people in general who use the "usual trope," but it wasn't "explicitly" (though it clearly was implicitly) about me, even though but for my post at #25 you wouldn't have had cause to post your comment at all. Nope, not about anything I wrote. Umm, ok, got it. :rolleyes:

...adding, unlike your usage at #41, this would be a correct example for the word disingenuous, except, bless your heart, I think you actually believe your nonsense.

(Anyway, we're way off topic. Sorry for the interruption.)
 

rui no onna

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Lag to me is prevalent through the UI, UX, app loading, task switching and touch responsiveness. Where most of the experience feels like it is long after an input is made.
Same here. One of the reasons I've steered clear of Samsung TouchWiz. Granted, the latest experience I've had was with a co-worker's Galaxy S4 which is a couple of generations old.

I like Android well enough but I stick as close to vanilla as possible (e.g. Nexus, Moto, etc) as I find it offers better performance compared to heavily skinned versions.
 

Technarchy

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Same here. One of the reasons I've steered clear of Samsung TouchWiz. Granted, the latest experience I've had was with a co-worker's Galaxy S4 which is a couple of generations old.

I like Android well enough but I stick as close to vanilla as possible (e.g. Nexus, Moto, etc) as I find it offers better performance compared to heavily skinned versions.

No denying the S4 was a dreadful experience. Mine lasted 3 months before the iPhone 5S replaced it.
 
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