First A14 Geekbench Result from Ice Universe on Twitter

[fokmik]

There’s a new iPad Air 4 benchmark available on Geekbench, this time with Metal score. The A14 chip scored 12571 in Metal score, which is related to its graphical power. This puts the new iPad Air 4 at the top of the Metal ranking, as the A12Z Bionic chip of the 2020 iPad Pro scored 11665.





Here are some comparisons:

• A14 Bionic (iPad Air 4): 12571
• A12Z Bionic (2020 iPad Pro): 11665
• A12X Bionic (2018 iPad Pro): 10860
• A13 Bionic (iPhone 11): 7308
• A12 Bionic (iPad Air 3): 5242

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This doesn't appear to be a macOS game. This runs on iOS.

Sorry, It is called league of legends

 

[thingstoponder]

again, im playing this game safe...what can we get at the minimum...we dont know what and how big the diff will be...for now are just rumours. If you make your hopes too hight, your disappointment will be bigger

Im being safe and just extrapolating based off past chips. If you were correct and an a14z only had 20% more performance than the a14 then Apple Silicon would be fundamentally broken. It would be a disaster for them to have that poor of performance scaling in their architecture. And again, the a12z is 70% percent faster than the a12. Predicting that an a14z would be around that number over an a14 is a conservative guess on my part.

but again, remember, those big mac chips will not come into the macbook/macbook air family....those will come next year into the 16" mbp, bigger imac

You don't know that. Nothing has said that they will reuse existing iPhone and iPad chips for Macs. Its just users speculating they will to save costs even though we already know they have three Mac specific chips and are working on the next gen chips. For what its worth leakers on Twitter are saying they will not use the a14x on Macs. They should be taken with a grain of salt but I give them more credibility than people speculating on forums.

So, dont expect the next macbook air, or the base imac to have more than 50% than the a14 like i said
but again, i hope i will be wrong...but again, i dont see Apple put money into an specific, different chip just for macbook air, i see the macbook air to have similar A14/A14X chip....since even with that, will crush the current Intel macbook air, from cpu raw power, to the igpu raw power, heat, and battery life

Why wouldn't they make a chip just for the MacBook Air? It's their top selling model. If anything we should worry that they won't make specific chips for higher end models that don't sell as much. There is no way they will ship an a14 MacBook Air, and even if they used the a14x like you're saying then it will be more than 50 percent faster than the a14. It just doesn't make sense why you think they'll put a phone chip in the Air. The Intel chips in the Air take so much more power than iPhone chips.

It also doesn't necessarily have to be an Air specific chip if they also reuse the same 8+4 chip with the Air and the Pro. Just clock the Pro higher and there's your performance boost. Keep the Air at 3GHz, and Maybe cut down the GPU to lower performance than the Pro. That chip will also probably go into the Mac mini anyways, so it's not an Air specific chip per say. I expect them to use the same chips between a lot of Mac Models. What I do not expect them to do is reuse the same chips between a lot of iOS and Mac models. I think their ambitions are higher than that. The only Mac I could see using an iPad chip is the MacBook because it is fanless.

 

[fokmik]

And you know all about from where?
At least i make mu assumptions based on leaks
The base macbook is the closest to the base A14 chip
Apple will not place the same chip in the macbook air with the 16” macbook pro
End of discussion from my part because its an useless one without any official evidence
Again 50% more performance into the 14” mbp compared to this base a14 is huge compared to the current intel 13” mbp and thats where apple will hit
And it is huge to have almost double the perf, no high heat and better battery usage
What you said is just what im saying about diff clock speeds...all are based on the new 5nm arhitecture
Again macbook air will have the closest chip to the a14 and apple will build from there
For me its clear it will be huge for the little guys, for me the question is about those macs that use dGpu amd like 27” imac, 16” macbook pro and so on
I need to see the custom made gpu next year

some people on forum and on twitter can be some that already have dev kit mac mini, we have for sure at least 3 on forum that i known. From the world of unknown where are you in, its clear you are not the 4th. those only in private talk. If you have a friend , close one with the dev kit you should talk with him, its a lot to find out

 

[thingstoponder]

And you know all about from where?

About the 3 Mac chips and the 8+4? Bloomberg. Gurman has gotten everything right about his Apple Silicon reporting so far. Apple, also said there will be a family of Mac chips. Its not impossible they will reuse iOS chips but its pure speculation and based off nothing.

At least i make mu assumptions based on leaks

No you're not. You're vastly underestimating performance. 20% increase from a14 over a14z makes no sense.

The base macbook is the closest to the base A14 chip

An 14x would be a better comparison from a power usage perspective, and even then you would get big battery life increases and massive performance increase.

Apple will not place the same chip in the macbook air with the 16” macbook pro

I never said the Air will have the same chip as a 16 inch MacBook Pro. I think the 16 inch Pro will have its own chip that may be shared with the 27 inch iMac. I think it's very likely the Air and 13/14 inch Pro will share a chip and that's what I said in my previous post.

End of discussion from my part because its an useless one without any official evidence

We're on MacRumors. What else would we be discussing if not speculation and rumors? Im just trying to persuade you to my side.

Again 50% more performance into the 14” mbp compared to this base a14 is huge compared to the current intel 13” mbp and thats where apple will hit

And it is huge to have almost double the perf, no high heat and better battery usage
What you said is just what im saying about diff clock speeds...all are based on the new 5nm arhitecture

Of course it would be a big increase, but that's not the point. I'm not arguing 50 percent wouldn't be a big increase, Im arguing that the performance increase would be far higher than that and that's a conservative estimate. The point is that a 4+4 a14z would have far higher performance than 20% over an a14, and a 8+4 Mac chip would be far higher performance than 50% over an a14. Your numbers are just not realistic.

For the third time, an a12z has 70% performance over the a12. Expecting an a14z to only be 20% performance over an a14 has no basis in reality. I will keep repeating this until you address my point. Why would an a14Z be such a small increase in performance with double the performance cores?

Again macbook air will have the closest chip to the a14 and apple will build from there

That's just your speculation though, you're saying it "will" happen like its a fact. No Bloomberg report or even twitter rumor has said that. You are valuing your guesses over Mark Gurman's reporting. Gurman said 3 Mac chips that will start at 8+4 cores.

Look. You should be glad you're wrong on this. The real Macs will blow away your speculated numbers. ?

 

[jeanlain]

Sorry, It is called league of legends

That's an openGL game I think. Interesting.

 

[JohnnyGo]

Apple did a huge presentation about Apple Silicon. They said that they will design SOCs for their Macs like they do for any other hardware.

Their examples? AppleWatch S line, Airpods, Apple tv, iPhone and iPad.

IMHO a new line of SOCs is coming. Performance will blow any current Intel CPUs particularly in graphics.

Will this SOC be a superset of the A14 (more cores) like the iPad? Will it run at higher clocks given termals / larger batteries? Will they have different SOCs for laptops v desktops, consumer vs pro lines ? Those are all interesting question.

Using the same SOC from iPhone or iPad in the new AS MacBook? Don’t think so!

 

[mr_roboto]

The one part of the Mac product line where it might make sense for Apple to literally use an iPad chip is a hypothetical new Macbook. The I/O lines up, the platform TDP budget is similar, the battery capacity is similar, the screen size is similar, on and on.

Anything larger with more ports, the need to drive more external displays, more pixels to push on the built-in display, and so forth ought to be a chip with more I/O and more compute.

Now, all that said, these things don't actually preclude Apple from using one mask set to make two nominally different chips. Packaging matters! You can (and industry frequently does) differentiate two versions of the same silicon design by having one use a cheaper package with fewer pins, meaning less I/O, possibly less power budget (fewer pins to get the power in, worse power distribution on the package substrate), and so on. The differentiation can also include yield harvesting. Say you have four cpu cores, and sometimes you get defects in one, well you can harvest those as 2-core die and put them in the cheaper package.

 

[thingstoponder]

Apple did a huge presentation about Apple Silicon. They said that they will design SOCs for their Macs like they do for any other hardware.

Their examples? AppleWatch S line, Airpods, Apple tv, iPhone and iPad.

IMHO a new line of SOCs is coming. Performance will blow any current Intel CPUs particularly in graphics.

Will this SOC be a superset of the A14 (more cores) like the iPad? Will it run at higher clocks given termals / larger batteries? Will they have different SOCs for laptops v desktops, consumer vs pro lines ? Those are all interesting question.

Using the same SOC from iPhone or iPad in the new AS MacBook? Don’t think so!

Thank you. Macrumors forums seems to be the only place not taking Apple for their word about a separate family of Macs chips. We don’t even know if their iPhone and iPad chips will be compatible with Macs. Presumably they will drop unneeded features like the motion coprocessor and other stuff not needed in a Mac. Current chips also do not support virtualization which is coming to Apple Silicon Macs. Now, They could build virtualization into every chip and they could waste silicon space on unneeded features for devices that weren’t meant to run those chips, but why? They’re going to want to come out swinging and prove everyone wrong who thinks x86 is some superior architecture and who think Apple can’t make a world class GPU. Why would they half-ass it with phone chips in Macs, especially right out the gate? If you’re gonna expect them to be lazy and complacent, that wouldn’t be with the first round of Apple Silicon Macs.

They’re the richest company in the world. It’s not some crazy thing to expect them to make a new set of chips. The biggest cost is already accounted for which is r&d and architecture design, and that’s spread across all their devices. Making separate masks for new chips is not cheap by any means but it’s nothing compared to the latter expense. Nvidia made 9 different dies for their previous generation of GPUs.

 

[mr_roboto]

Thank you. Macrumors forums seems to be the only place not taking Apple for their word about a separate family of Macs chips. We don’t even know if their iPhone and iPad chips will be compatible with Macs. Presumably they will drop unneeded features like the motion coprocessor and other stuff not needed in a Mac. Current chips also do not support virtualization which is coming to Apple Silicon Macs. Now, They could build virtualization into every chip and they could waste silicon space on unneeded features for devices that weren’t meant to run those chips, but why?

They demoed an A12Z iPad chip running Linux in a VM on a DTK. I don't know where you get the idea that current iPhone and iPad chips don't support virtualization.

Virtualization doesn't require much silicon, it's very low overhead.

 

[aednichols]

They demoed an A12Z iPad chip running Linux in a VM on a DTK. I don't know where you get the idea that current iPhone and iPad chips don't support virtualization.

Virtualization doesn't require much silicon, it's very low overhead.

The DTK does not support virtualization.

Apple described the virtualization demos as running on "an Apple Silicon Mac", not necessarily the DTK. And the machines themselves were naturally hidden from view.

 

[mr_roboto]

Thanks, for whatever reason I thought all the demos in the WWDC videos were being shown on a DTK.

 

[aednichols]

Thanks, for whatever reason I thought all the demos in the WWDC videos were being shown on a DTK.

Reasonable, they never came out and said so, left us to deduce it.

 

[thingstoponder]

Yeah they never explicitly said the DTK was running the Parallels VM in the keynote. That was a separate segment from when Craig was demoing Final Cut and other Apple apps and he said it was on the DTK. Also in the platform state of the union they demoed VMs again and said it was running on prototype hardware that supported virtualization.