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Other First phone "ever"with 10 bit HDR DV @59Mbps 4.2.0... am I missing something?

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Of course it's not the first phone with 10bit HDR, that was Sony Xperia XZ2 two years years ago. It was Sony who worked together with Qualcomm to bring that feature into Snapdragon CPU. Samsung and LG have jumped aboard one year after but for some reason only these three have remained the only players to offer 10bit video recording up until now. Both of them do it differently though, Sony uses HLG which is compatible with HDR and non HDR displays which means you can view the video even if you have regular screen but you do get HDR effect if you view it on HDR screen. Samsung and LG do it in HDR10/HDR10+ format which requires you to have HDR screen. Same thing will be apply to Apple with Dolby Vision (competitor to HDR10+ format), you would need a device that can playback Dolby Vision HDR content.

Sony remains the only manufacturer to offer 4K 10bit HDR in 120fps.
 
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Coffee_Time said:
Do we miss something about this new 10 bit HDR? Waiting for more infos from you guys...
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To answer your question LG V30 has 10bit image sensor and it does record in 10bit but then compresses it to 8bit output file and thus it can be viewed on any display but there will be no HDR effect on HDR compatible display.
 
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vladi said:
Of course it's not the first phone with 10bit HDR, that was Sony Xperia XZ2 two years years ago. It was Sony who worked together with Qualcomm to bring that feature into Snapdragon CPU. Samsung and LG have jumped aboard one year after but for some reason only these three have remained the only players to offer 10bit video recording up until now. Both of them do it differently though, Sony uses HLG which is compatible with HDR and non HDR displays which means you can view the video even if you have regular screen but you do get HDR effect if you view it on HDR screen. Samsung and LG do it in HDR10/HDR10+ format which requires you to have HDR screen. Same thing will be apply to Apple with Dolby Vision (competitor to HDR10+ format), you would need a device that can playback Dolby Vision HDR content.

Sony remains the only manufacturer to offer 4K 10bit HDR in 120fps.
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vladi said:
To answer your question LG V30 has 10bit image sensor and it does record in 10bit but then compresses it to 8bit output file and thus it can be viewed on any display but there will be no HDR effect on HDR compatible display.
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Actually LG was the first one to use true 10 bit HDR color depth since 2016-2017, Sony was behind that. LG g7-v30,v40, v50 all can do 4K, v60 can even do 8K 10 bit HDR and also 4k 60fps.
And no, it doesnt compress it to 8 bit, its true REC2020 - bt2020nc ....
So where leaves that Apple??? 🤣
 
Also, what doesnt add up is that Dolby Vision requires 12 bit color depth!!!
So whos lying here? I know that iphones Smart HDR from past years was not a genuine HDR, but Im feeling this 10bit Dolby is also a little HOAX! 🤣🤣 Or they were wrong in the presentation....
 
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Not to mention that LG is also recording 10bit HDR in RAW format! See HVC1 codec specs ...
 
Only on SD845 you were able to have true 10bit output. Everything else before it was output to 8bit despite image sensors being 10bit.
 
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vladi said:
Only on SD845 you were able to have true 10bit output. Everything else before it was output to 8bit despite image sensors being 10bit.
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Lg g7, v40 were sd845 released in february 2018. probably produced at late 2017... so? were at late 2020 and apple is introducing this as the first in Any smartphone EVER. Lies again. How are they getting away with this its beyon my logic...
 
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If you guys would actually look things up instead of blindly bashing Apple. You would see even the iPhone X has HDR display. It was explicitly stated that they were talking about Dolby Vision when they said "first device".

Dolby website also lists it as the first device capable of capturing, editing, and sharing.

www.dolby.com

See more. Feel more. Create in Dolby Vision.

Create Hollywood-style cinematic videos with Dolby Vision, featuring incredible brightness, & darker shadows exclusively on iPhone 12, enabled with Vimeo share.
www.dolby.com www.dolby.com
 
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But apple clearly said 10 bit, not 12 bit. AFAIK Dolbi Vision required 12 bit color depth. Someone is misleading us...
 
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xWhiplash said:
Look at Dolby's website and many articles. 12 bit is not REQUIRED, but its up to 12 bit support. Just like Dolby Vision has 10,000 nits support. It doesn't mean its not Dolby Vision without 10,000 nits.
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then its the same thing as HDR10 from sony lg and samsung.
 
Even on Apple's website, as well as Dolby themselves state the iPhone 12 (at least the Pro's) can shoot in 12 bit...

iPhone 12 Pro jumps from 8- to 10‑bit HDR recording, capturing 700 million colours for much more lifelike video. Then it goes one better, recording in Dolby Vision.
 

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Coffee_Time said:
then its the same thing as HDR10 from sony lg and samsung.
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Nope not the same, Dolby Vision is a higher quality format.

Dolby Vision implements its metadata on a frame-by-frame basis, which makes it ‘dynamic HDR’ while HDR10 is static.

This means that if you are watching an HDR movie on an HDR display, HDR10 will set the same metadata for the entire film. In contrast, Dolby Vision can change information such as color and brightness dynamically, thus making the viewing experience more immersive.

12bit is irrelevant as no tv supports more than 10bit at the moment.
 
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Even on Apple's website, as well as Dolby themselves state the iPhone 12 (at least the Pro's) can shoot in 12 bit...

iPhone 12 Pro jumps from 8- to 10‑bit HDR recording, capturing 700 million colours for much more lifelike video. Then it goes one better, recording in Dolby Vision.
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Ahahahah LG, Sony and Samsung are supporting 1.07 billion colors and Apple only 0,7. Sneaky bastards! 😂
 
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James Craner said:
Nope not the same, Dolby Vision is a higher quality format.

Dolby Vision implements its metadata on a frame-by-frame basis, which makes it ‘dynamic HDR’ while HDR10 is static.

This means that if you are watching an HDR movie on an HDR display, HDR10 will set the same metadata for the entire film. In contrast, Dolby Vision can change information such as color and brightness dynamically, thus making the viewing experience more immersive.

12bit is irrelevant as no tv supports more than 10bit at the moment.
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No it's not the higher quality because it uses only 0,7 billion colors 🤣
 
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xWhiplash said:
Did you guys watch a different video? Its not the first phone ever for 10bit HDR. Its the first for 10 bit Dolby Vision that can record, edit and share all in one device.

10bit HDR and 10 bit HDR Dolby Vision are not the same.
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Yea, they must be using a Dolby Vision LITE version with only 0.7 billion colors, where others are using 1.07 billion. True dolby vision 12 bit is like 64 billions colors. 64,not 0.7! So this must be that apple just paid Dolby some cash to use their name in the keynote... 😂
 
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