Flash - Apple don't take risks

[mtnDewFTW]

Think of all Apple products. They usually never put brand new parts into their computers or any other devices for that matter.
In a way, that could mean that they don't want to experiment with new things that they don't know for a fact will work.
Think about it, Blu Ray on iMacs, better video cards, etc.
They don't take those risks, because they want something that's still new, but that they'll know for a fact WILL work, for most people anyway.


So, seeing how Flash is really not fail proof yet, I can see why Apple don't want to risk implementing it into their portable devices, such as the iPad.

I'm not sure if this makes much sense to everyone, but it really had me thinking

 

[zemzabob]

Think of all Apple products. They usually never put brand new parts into their computers or any other devices for that matter.
In a way, that could mean that they don't want to experiment with new things that they don't know for a fact will work.
Think about it, Blu Ray on iMacs, better video cards, etc.
They don't take those risks, because they want something that's still new, but that they'll know for a fact WILL work, for most people anyway.


So, seeing how Flash is really not fail proof yet, I can see why Apple don't want to risk implementing it into their portable devices, such as the iPad.

I'm not sure if this makes much sense to everyone, but it really had me thinking

What about the new A4 chip in the ipad?

 

[miles01110]

Your "argument" has more holes than the Titanic.

So, seeing how Flash is really not fail proof yet, I can see why Apple don't want to risk implementing it into their portable devices, such as the iPad.

What exactly is "failproof" ? Can you really discuss an appropriate piece of computer technology that cannot fail?

 

[decksnap]

'Failproof'? When you suck for that long it's just 'Fail'. Nothing new to the suckage.

 

[calderone]

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/06/16-month-old-bug-continues-to-crash-flash/

 

[killerrobot]

I'm not sure if this makes much sense to everyone, but it really had me thinking

Really not making any sense to me.
I think I'll take a hit of whatever it is that you're smoking though.

 

[Hankster]

Their lack of Flash support is losing them buyers and profits.

There is not one person who is planning on buying the iPad who would not buy it if it supported Flash.

There are many people who are not planning on buying the iPad who would buy it if it did support Flash.

 

[WytRaven]

The iPad itself is an enormous risk. Apple is attempting to create a market that so many others have failed to create.

Despite the fact that I believe Apple is going to succeed, and deservedly, it is still a very big gamble on their part.

 

[Sketh]

Their lack of Flash support is losing them buyers and profits.

There is not one person who is planning on buying the iPad who would not buy it if it supported Flash.

There are many people who are not planning on buying the iPad who would buy it if it did support Flash.

Wrong. There are plenty of people, myself included who would disable Flash if it were on the iPad.

So while I'm still buying it, I'm not going to use flash.

 

[Zyniker]

Their lack of Flash support is losing them buyers and profits.

There is not one person who is planning on buying the iPad who would not buy it if it supported Flash.

There are many people who are not planning on buying the iPad who would buy it if it did support Flash.

+1

I would like to see Flash implemented as an option in the Settings of the device. A setting that, when toggled to 'on', would present the user with a large message in brightly coloured text stating, quite clearly, that: "Activating Flash support will likely produce a noticeable decrease in battery life and performance."

 

[Gav2k]

Jobs has already stated that apple isn't pitting blueray into there devices yet because there isn't a set standard yet which to me seams reasonable. DVD media is stable blueray is not with different versions coming over the next months.

 

[Cinemagic]

Their lack of Flash support is losing them buyers and profits.

There is not one person who is planning on buying the iPad who would not buy it if it supported Flash.

There are many people who are not planning on buying the iPad who would buy it if it did support Flash.

This includes me. I'd really like the iPad. But I'd use it for web surfing. I hate web surfing on my iPhone because, unlike what Steve Jobs said, it is NOT the real Internet. Like it or not, Flash is extremely prevalent on the Internet. If you want to surf the Internet today, your browser needs to support Flash. During the demo, Steve Job's iPad couldn't completely display the NY Times. WTF - I was a tablet that can actually do something right. Maybe HP's Slate will get it right. Unfortunately, I'm not a big Windows fan.

 

[Zyniker]

This includes me. I'd really like the iPad. But I'd use it for web surfing. I hate web surfing on my iPhone because, unlike what Steve Jobs said, it is NOT the real Internet. Like it or not, Flash is extremely prevalent on the Internet. If you want to surf the Internet today, your browser needs to support Flash. During the demo, Steve Job's iPad couldn't completely display the NY Times. WTF - I was a tablet that can actually do something right. Maybe HP's Slate will get it right. Unfortunately, I'm not a big Windows fan.

While I may agree with you...I'm relatively certain the portion of the New York Time's site that wasn't displayed correctly was an advertisement. Does a lack of ads really decrease your enjoyment of your Internet experience?
You "was [sic] a tablet that can actually do something right"? How about the fact that this tablet isn't even out yet and we aren't fully aware of what it can do? Further, we have some ideas of just what it is capable. I'm plenty certain it will be able to do quite a few things 'right'.
Perhaps we'll all get lucky and the iPad will become popular enough that sites will redesign around their lack of Flash.

 

[aaquib]

"Fail-proof"? Flash is standard on 98% of computers, including Macs. I'd say it's pretty damn "fail proof".

 

[ukyo229]

Their lack of Flash support is losing them buyers and profits.

There is not one person who is planning on buying the iPad who would not buy it if it supported Flash.

There are many people who are not planning on buying the iPad who would buy it if it did support Flash.

they want to see the majority of adverts on the internet, costing them much battery power? lol

or websites that don't provide any real information and just have flashy intros?

or maybe you mean the people who sit around all day playing pissy flash games or the losertube crowd?

flash sucks, and provides nothing to people who really need to use the internet oppose to those who have nothing better to do

 

[Zyniker]

"Fail-proof"? Flash is standard on 98% of computers, including Macs. I'd say it's pretty damn "fail proof".

Windows is also 'standard' on a high percentage of computers...would you then contend that Windows is "fail proof"?

 

[Roessnakhan]

Even the iPhone OS isn't "failproof". I've had apps crash, even the Apple-coded ones. Flash should be included, but an option could also be present to disable it.

 

[PlayHard]

Even the iPhone OS isn't "failproof". I've had apps crash, even the Apple-coded ones. Flash should be included, but an option could also be present to disable it.

+1 on giving us the option. But I know Steve's too stubborn to ever allow that.

Originally I was all for getting the iPad, but I installed ClickToFlash on my MBP just to see how my Safari usage would suffer without Flash. A lot of the sites I visit regularly use it and not just for ads. Last night I wanted to check some new restaurants and 3 of them had their sites done in Flash. Now, you can argue that Flash is evil and that sites will eventually need to move away from it but the reality is it's widely used. Now, I'm not sure if I'll wait it out on the iPad.

 

[FrankieTDouglas]

So, seeing how Flash is really not fail proof yet, I can see why Apple don't want to risk implementing it into their portable devices, such as the iPad.

As in, it's been a standard player in web content for... 10 years now? 15? It's so common online that I can't even remember a time that it didn't exist.

I'm typing on a Macbook right now, one of Apple's portable devices. And in a side window, I'm about to check out a Strongbad Email. Luckily, this Apple portable displays Flash.

And for the person who tried to put down web-based flash games... okay? How many games in the app store are ports from games originally found online via Flash? You're only trying to put it down because Steve Jobs doesn't like it. Grow up and be your own person.

 

[foiden]

Well, in regards to that. The laptops have stronger resources and a more sophisticated Safari in order to deal with flash. Especially the new one in Snow Leopard. With that, it actually handles the flash safer than IE does for the PC. Plenty of times, some badly coded flash pretty much brings even my best PC to its knees, taking forever to not only recover, but even to get around to closing the browser process that it is in after I actually told Windows to shut down the process.

I'm not sure if they have enough resource, in those little devices, to provide Flash support to it. On the other hand, I think if there was some way for them to come to an agreement and include flash, I'd like to see how they'll pull off Iphone's touch screen support across all the flash apps retroactively. That is, coded in a way that it'll work and map correctly even for Flash apps already written.

 

[smetvid]

For those of you who would turn off Flash at least you would have that option. What if the rest of us want to turn Flash on? We cannot as it stands right now. The thing with Flash is that nobody ever forced anybody to use Flash. You always have the option of removing it if you want. That is the whole point of it being a plugin you have a choice. Apple doesn't want anybody to have a choice and that in my opinion doesn't make a gret internet experience. Everybody also assumes plugins end with Flash but they do not. There will always be some form of technology add on that HTML cannot do. Apple cannot and will never develop every technology the world will ever use. All we Flash users are saying is at least give the world an option to use what they want with the web.

Currently there are sites built around Windows Media and Silverlight and Shockwave as well. Maybe some of you have never used those sites but that doesn't mean it is true for everybody. The target market I see for this device is the corporate world which does live in a very Microsoft focused world. They may make use of web pages that actually use Silverlight for whatever reason. I'm not saying Silverlight is a good idea and personally I think it is as useless as Bing but the fact is people use it for whatever sick and twisted reason instead of Flash.

If HTML 5 is going to be better then fine let it be better by allowing the people to make that choice. If HTML 5 really is the utopia of the web then eventually people will stop using Flash and Silverlight and everything else.

 

[EssentialParado]

smetvid- I cannot believe you have the audacity to show such hypocrisy after my response to you in your Flash thread yesterday. A response which you still haven't put forward a counter-argument toward… I assumed that meant you understood my points, but instead you're just filtering through all the threads and continuing to post your pro-Flash stance as if your job at Adobe depended on it.

 

[mooblie]

Think of all Apple products. They usually never put brand new parts into their computers or any other devices for that matter. ...

Really? USB as standard? Firewire as standard? ADC (Apple Display Connector)? ADB (Apple Desktop Bus)? Dropping the serial port? Dropping the floppy drive? How far back into Apple's history do you want to go for examples of new parts in Macs? Or radical dropping of old parts?

I don't think your argument holds up.

 

[wrxdrunkie]

For those of you who would turn off Flash at least you would have that option. What if the rest of us want to turn Flash on? We cannot as it stands right now. The thing with Flash is that nobody ever forced anybody to use Flash. You always have the option of removing it if you want. That is the whole point of it being a plugin you have a choice. Apple doesn't want anybody to have a choice and that in my opinion doesn't make a gret internet experience. Everybody also assumes plugins end with Flash but they do not. There will always be some form of technology add on that HTML cannot do. Apple cannot and will never develop every technology the world will ever use. All we Flash users are saying is at least give the world an option to use what they want with the web.

Currently there are sites built around Windows Media and Silverlight and Shockwave as well. Maybe some of you have never used those sites but that doesn't mean it is true for everybody. The target market I see for this device is the corporate world which does live in a very Microsoft focused world. They may make use of web pages that actually use Silverlight for whatever reason. I'm not saying Silverlight is a good idea and personally I think it is as useless as Bing but the fact is people use it for whatever sick and twisted reason instead of Flash.

If HTML 5 is going to be better then fine let it be better by allowing the people to make that choice. If HTML 5 really is the utopia of the web then eventually people will stop using Flash and Silverlight and everything else.

QFT. Having an option is always nice.

While I am still getting an ipad, I would love to have the choice of those plugins.

My honest opinion? Its easier to sell to partners having flash disabled, and it makes itunes one of your only alternatives. People like At&t are happy because they can be assured that there network wont be clogged from people watchin things like hulu, or movie studios, assuring them the only way to consume their content on the ipad is through the itunes store, etc.

In the end, it is all about the money, and Apple probably just thinks their current structure gives them the best opportuninty to make money and be successful.

 

[MikhailT]

Their lack of Flash support is losing them buyers and profits.

There is not one person who is planning on buying the iPad who would not buy it if it supported Flash.

There are many people who are not planning on buying the iPad who would buy it if it did support Flash.

Such crap. Most people barely care about Flash if there's alternative to it.

iPhone has no flash and yet, it's the probably the biggest revenue maker for Apple, with over 45 million iPhone/iPod Touch sold.

Apple hates Flash because it can not control or own the source code behind it. Apple is all around owning every line of source code in their operating systems. They do not want to depend on others.