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Usually when you smoke you place a pan of water somewhere to regular the temps. Usually you want to smoke in the low 200s range. After a certain amount of time depending on your meat type and weight, you wrap it and place a little liquid in the bottom of your foil or butcher's paper, you wrap tightly and put it back in for an hour or two, and then for presentation you glaze and cook for 10-15 minutes to bake it onto it. Unless you had crazy high humidity or were eating Iberico ribs, you'll end up with tougher meat.

Good ribs should have a nice light bark, minimal sauce/glaze and should not be mushy. However, the bone should easily slide out with only two fingers with minimal wiggling. This is called a 3-2-1 method but you're better off going with probe temp, look and feel.

The same applies to brisket, pork shoulder, chicken (only needs a loose covering and no silly flipping), etc. While spare ribs have meat on the top and bottom side, the top side has the most. You can use stock, sauce, ACV/water, etc. and lay the top side down on that, wrap tightly and cook more. For this you'll want to come in periodically, unwrap and observe how it's coming along. Once you develop a bark, it won't get soggy.

You can do naked ribs, provided there's incredible marbling or connective tissue observed while you were preparing it. You need to remember that slow cooking or smoking meat is a Southern thing done way back when these were tough cuts and people sought a method to make them tender without cooking it with a bunch of vegetables or in broths. My usual recommendation is, the leaner the meat, the lower your smoke interior temp should be.

I smoked tri-tip a few weeks ago and I smoked at a 175-185* F until I hit an internal of 145* F. Usually you want two probes in addition to your hood temperature gauge. I used light woods like apple to give it a mild flavor. OTOH, you don't need to smoke food either. You can use lump charcoal in your grill and set a small fire to cook meat slowly. It's not different from slow cooking in an oven. This goes against direct grilling like they do in Santa Maria, where the meat is tougher and must be sliced very thin to be edible. Still good, but this is better.

When you slow cook food you're not rendering fat. Fat renders at a much lower temperature. You're breaking down collagen fibers between muscle fibers. You can slice up a pork shoulder and fry it up and it'll be tough as hell but if you slow roast, smoke, or cook it at a low temperature for 4-8 hours, you can shred the entire thing with gloved hands.

Pork loin also benefits from this cooking method. I usually inject mine with clarified butter and herbs, though. I skip the bacon wrap and go for a pasty covering with lots of coarse herbs and spices. You can cut an inch thick slice and eat it in a sandwich or "burger" and it'll be like butter.

Resting also matters. You can learn a lot from YouTube and forums. Unfortunately, neither were really around when I first began BBQ'ing. It was mail order magazines for the most part and a lot of trial and error.


Let's just say in those haydays when I began trying without much source material I often found myself whipping my then food processor out and pulverizing badly done meat into sandwich or filling material...

@Gutwrench can provide more info than I can. Hey smokes a lot of stuff whereas I don't due to time constraints unless it's a special event.


P.S. My decision on wrapping vs naked is highly dependent on what I see when I'm trimming up whatever I'm cooking. Most times a brisket will get wrapped because we don't often get very marbled brisket out here. That and I don't feel like spending 30 minutes wading through 400 lb of brisket at Costco.
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I've often sat back amazed at how I can slow smoke a brisket for say 15-22 hours and then see it devoured in just about an hour. One the one hand it's bizarre on the other it makes me happy to see people eat it. Also the lack of leftovers makes sure I don't sneak in several midnight to daylight snacks...

Terrific and informative post.

From the perspective of our occasionally sodden, and wet and windy isles, the barbecue tradition can be somewhat alien; indeed, I confess to having harboured a bit of a prejudice against this method, as it seems to offer a refuge to a certain type of individual, intent on proving his masculinity, (yet never darkening the door of a kitchen otherwise).

Worse than the posturing, is the lamentable fact Our Barbecues seems to produce perfectly horrible food, meat that is tough, burnt, and worst of all, quite inedible, the sort that would require an implement with the strength of an electrical hedge trimmer to cut, and a task far beyond the ability of my poor teeth.

Actually, I have yet to eat meat from a barbecue that is edible - let alone tasty, but readily concede and admit that the method would not be so popular unless some culinary cultures had mastered it completely.

Nevertheless, reading this post makes me long for the soft-textured, tasty, barbecued meats described in loving detail in some of these amazing posts.
 

adrianlondon

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I have two ways of doing an easy BBQ (with a small BBQ and not much space on my balcony).

1. Asian style, where you cook very thin slices of meat briefly on a very hot BBQ, then dip in a sauce and eat each piece as you cook it. Good slices of beef and pork work well - often sold suitable for hotpot in Asian supermarkets.

2. With a lid and well after any flames have died down, so that the meat cooks all the way through keeping moisture and not burning. Of course, you can flash flame the skin (chicken) or fat (pork) if you want, but then you need to kill the flames either with a lid (and the vents closed) or as my middle eastern friends do by spraying the flames with water.

I then push potatoes into the embers once I've finished, which are wonderfully baked after a few hours in the residual heat.

We're lucky here in Switzerland as balcony BBQs are allowed, as are BBQs in most parks and down by the river. In London, my flat lease specifically bans BBQs and rules ban them in most (all?) central London parks.

Having said all this, my American friends here do the best BBQs. It's in their DNA somehow!
 

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Usually when you smoke you place a pan of water somewhere to regular the temps. Usually you want to smoke in the low 200s range. After a certain amount of time depending on your meat type and weight, you wrap it and place a little liquid in the bottom of your foil or butcher's paper, you wrap tightly and put it back in for an hour or two, and then for presentation you glaze and cook for 10-15 minutes to bake it onto it. Unless you had crazy high humidity or were eating Iberico ribs, you'll end up with tougher meat.

Good ribs should have a nice light bark, minimal sauce/glaze and should not be mushy. However, the bone should easily slide out with only two fingers with minimal wiggling. This is called a 3-2-1 method but you're better off going with probe temp, look and feel.

The same applies to brisket, pork shoulder, chicken (only needs a loose covering and no silly flipping), etc. While spare ribs have meat on the top and bottom side, the top side has the most. You can use stock, sauce, ACV/water, etc. and lay the top side down on that, wrap tightly and cook more. For this you'll want to come in periodically, unwrap and observe how it's coming along. Once you develop a bark, it won't get soggy.

You can do naked ribs, provided there's incredible marbling or connective tissue observed while you were preparing it. You need to remember that slow cooking or smoking meat is a Southern thing done way back when these were tough cuts and people sought a method to make them tender without cooking it with a bunch of vegetables or in broths. My usual recommendation is, the leaner the meat, the lower your smoke interior temp should be.

I smoked tri-tip a few weeks ago and I smoked at a 175-185* F until I hit an internal of 145* F. Usually you want two probes in addition to your hood temperature gauge. I used light woods like apple to give it a mild flavor. OTOH, you don't need to smoke food either. You can use lump charcoal in your grill and set a small fire to cook meat slowly. It's not different from slow cooking in an oven. This goes against direct grilling like they do in Santa Maria, where the meat is tougher and must be sliced very thin to be edible. Still good, but this is better.

When you slow cook food you're not rendering fat. Fat renders at a much lower temperature. You're breaking down collagen fibers between muscle fibers. You can slice up a pork shoulder and fry it up and it'll be tough as hell but if you slow roast, smoke, or cook it at a low temperature for 4-8 hours, you can shred the entire thing with gloved hands.

Pork loin also benefits from this cooking method. I usually inject mine with clarified butter and herbs, though. I skip the bacon wrap and go for a pasty covering with lots of coarse herbs and spices. You can cut an inch thick slice and eat it in a sandwich or "burger" and it'll be like butter.

Resting also matters. You can learn a lot from YouTube and forums. Unfortunately, neither were really around when I first began BBQ'ing. It was mail order magazines for the most part and a lot of trial and error.


Let's just say in those haydays when I began trying without much source material I often found myself whipping my then food processor out and pulverizing badly done meat into sandwich or filling material...

@Gutwrench can provide more info than I can. Hey smokes a lot of stuff whereas I don't due to time constraints unless it's a special event.


P.S. My decision on wrapping vs naked is highly dependent on what I see when I'm trimming up whatever I'm cooking. Most times a brisket will get wrapped because we don't often get very marbled brisket out here. That and I don't feel like spending 30 minutes wading through 400 lb of brisket at Costco.
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I've often sat back amazed at how I can slow smoke a brisket for say 15-22 hours and then see it devoured in just about an hour. One the one hand it's bizarre on the other it makes me happy to see people eat it. Also the lack of leftovers makes sure I don't sneak in several midnight to daylight snacks...

Thanks!

I have always done my ribs naked. This was my first time doing St. Louis style. I usually have gone baby back, but they have always turned out fine. I set the smoker at 225 F with my own dry rub and then wiping it every 40 minutes with an apple juice/BBQ sauce/brown sugar mixture. Always came out delicious doing it that way.
 

anika200

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Thanks!

I have always done my ribs naked.
Me too, I don't even mop mine while they are in the smoker but that is just how I roll. I always construct the simplest bbq possible and then have some dipping/glazing sauce if wanted.
Since I have bought my smoker and can control temp @ 200F or so, then almost anything turns out great hahaha.
 
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There's a benefit to spritzing or mopping. It cools the surface and then some area down since you typically keep it refrigerated. Trust me, it spoils if you think about keeping it out for 8-20 hours. Cooler meat and of course wet meat attracts smoke particulate matter readily compared to a crispy bark.
 

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Terrific and informative post.

From the perspective of our occasionally sodden, and wet and windy isles, the barbecue tradition can be somewhat alien; indeed, I confess to having harboured a bit of a prejudice against this method, as it seems to offer a refuge to a certain type of individual, intent on proving his masculinity, (yet never darkening the door of a kitchen otherwise).

Worse than the posturing, is the lamentable fact Our Barbecues seems to produce perfectly horrible food, meat that is tough, burnt, and worst of all, quite inedible, the sort that would require an implement with the strength of an electrical hedge trimmer to cut, and a task far beyond the ability of my poor teeth.

Actually, I have yet to eat meat from a barbecue that is edible - let alone tasty, but readily concede and admit that the method would not be so popular unless some culinary cultures had mastered it completely.

Nevertheless, reading this post makes me long for the soft-textured, tasty, barbecued meats described in loving detail in some of these amazing posts.

Your comments made me think of the "Frazz" comic strip from Sunday. Here is the link as I don't know how to get the image into the post.

 

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macrumors Haswell
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Reading jollof recipes; does anyone here have any good recipes?

A cousin of my mother who worked with aid agencies in west Africa in the mid to late 60s, taught me - when I was a student - a spiced rice recipe that she described as "African rice", and which I only recently realised was a version of jollof.

During a phone chat over Christmas - the lady quite very elderly now - she confirmed that her recipe was indeed, a basic version of jollof, and offers suggestions as to what to serve with it.
 

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If you are a busy person with kids and lots of things going on, a pellet smoker/grill is IMO the best way to set it, forget it and land a good product out the other end that your family and/or guests will be happy with. Great BBQ certainly requires attention, patience, and understanding of the craft but something like a Traeger is a game changer for someone who's new to smoking and or responsibilities take them away from the cold beer chest and rocking chair next to the smoker.

The closest I get to something like jollof is creole dirty rice.
 

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macrumors Haswell
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If you are a busy person with kids and lots of things going on, a pellet smoker/grill is IMO the best way to set it, forget it and land a good product out the other end that your family and/or guests will be happy with. Great BBQ certainly requires attention, patience, and understanding of the craft but something like a Traeger is a game changer for someone who's new to smoking and or responsibilities take them away from the cold beer chest and rocking chair next to the smoker.

The closest I get to something like jollof is creole dirty rice.

Any interesting recipes for Creole dirty rice?

I'm currently trying to prepare a version of jollof rice, but am always interested in tasty and unusual rice recipes.
 

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Sure

Long Grain rice - pilaf method. Cook with 1 bay leaf in stock.

Pork or Beef stock
Trinity
Garlic, minced
Boudin sausage
ground chuck
minced chicken liver
Cajun seasoning
bacon fat

In dutch oven or similar pot, Brown well the minced chicken liver in bacon fat.
Brown meats & garlic in bacon liver mixture. Add Cajun seasoning.
Sweat trinity in seasoned meat liver garlic mixture.
Fold rice back into meat trinity mixture and add small stock amounts to where mixture begins to gently bind.

You can buy Cajun seasoning or make your own ifyou have a large spice pantry. A quick recipe is equal parts:

salt
White Pepper
Black Pepper (fresh ground if possible)
Smokey paprika - like pimenton
Cayenne pepper
Garlic pow
Onion Pow
Filet Pow
Thyme
Oregano or Marjoram

If you prefer it less spicy, cut the cayenne and white pepper by 1/2 and maybe round out the profile with a bit of granulated sugar.
 
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macrumors Haswell
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Sure

Long Grain rice - pilaf method. Cook with 1 bay leaf in stock.

Pork or Beef stock
Trinity
Garlic, minced
Boudin sausage
ground chuck
minced chicken liver
Cajun seasoning
bacon fat

In dutch oven or similar pot, Brown well the minced chicken liver in bacon fat.
Brown meats & garlic in bacon liver mixture. Add Cajun seasoning.
Sweat trinity in seasoned meat liver garlic mixture.
Fold rice back into meat trinity mixture and add small stock amounts to where mixture begins to gently bind.

You can buy Cajun seasoning or make your own ifyou have a large spice pantry. A quick recipe is equal parts:

salt
White Pepper
Black Pepper (fresh ground if possible)
Smokey paprika - like pimenton
Cayenne pepper
Garlic pow
Onion Pow
Filet Pow
Thyme
Oregano or Marjoram

If you prefer it less spicy, cut the cayenne and white pepper by 1/2 and maybe round out the profile with a bit of granulated sugar.

Sounds brilliant (and exceedingly tasty); many thanks and very much appreciated.

I'll try this out over the next fortnight.
 

anika200

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Smoked Pork Chops with Mashed potatoes, mushroom gravy and fried green beans. Smoked in my good ole electric smoker.

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macrumors Haswell
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I've only just realized the title of this thread is a line from Oliver Twist the musical.

When I was trying to come up with a name for the thread title, that seemed to work best in terms of tone and content, for what I hoped that the thread would be able to discuss.

Was able to support a local neighborhood restaurant yesterday and enjoy my first ever brisket tacos. Cooked the Texan way (even here in SoCal). They were so good, I literally inhaled them.

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That looks absolutely amazing.
 
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What does that mean? I've never heard that term.
A brisket is always cut with a flat portion and a point end. Brisket flat is a fairly level section of meat, it's what you see often when brisket is cut. The point end is a rounded point portion of the meat with considerable thickness compared to the brisket flat. It's also got more intramuscular fat in it. It's the portion of the brisket used for burnt ends in some states. While a well cooked brisket is tender, the point end is even more tender when cooked correctly. I'd call it meat butter.

Also, it appears I missed the word "restaurant" in your original post and was wondering how you didn't know what a point end was if you'd made it yourself. Apologies.
 

shadow puppet

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A brisket is always cut with a flat portion and a point end. Brisket flat is a fairly level section of meat, it's what you see often when brisket is cut. The point end is a rounded point portion of the meat with considerable thickness compared to the brisket flat. It's also got more intramuscular fat in it. It's the portion of the brisket used for burnt ends in some states. While a well cooked brisket is tender, the point end is even more tender when cooked correctly. I'd call it meat butter.

Also, it appears I missed the word "restaurant" in your original post and was wondering how you didn't know what a point end was if you'd made it yourself. Apologies.
No apologies necessary. I appreciate you taking the time to explain.

I am not a huge meat eater in general but occasionally, I do crave a good meat chili, bolognese sauce, cheeseburger or tacos. This all began because I learned there's some sort of underground smoked BBQ restaurant movement going on. Many seek these pop up places out on Instagram and such. I had read a Texas Monthly article complimenting my neighborhood restaurant as one in SoCal that actually did Texan BBQ and smoked meat, right. Once I saw those tacos, I knew I needed to give them a try. I enjoyed them so much, I will definitely be back to sample more of Maple Block Meat Co.'s offerings.
 

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Summer. Hot n humid.... that could only mean one thing. It’s gumbo time!

Edit:
As requested, here’s the recipe i used (minus the crawfish). And i got myself a readymade roux.
 
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