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I was thinking internal NVMe within an enclosure, because if you buy external you can only use it as external, but if you ever want to put it inside either iMac or MBP, you could take the internal SSD out of the external case and put it inside the computer.

But wasn't sure which case to buy. (someone said USB C compatible would be good enough, if I don't get one with Thunderbolt)
Could anyone recommend one?
 
What will you be using the drive for?

because if you buy external you can only use it as external
Why is that?

I bought a 500GB Samsung X5 TB3 drive, and replaced the NVMe that came with it with a different NVMe that was larger (1TB).

I plan on using the 500GB NVMe pulled from the X5 in a different enclosure, or maybe giving it to my son to use a internal boot drive from his PC. I don't expect there to be any problems.
 
Wow, X5 is really expensive at almost $400. Speed up to 2800 which is more than 5 times faster than other SSDs.
But I would really like to see how fast it is in a side by side comparison, to see if I even need that speed, maybe just speed of 550 might be good enough for me.

I just want it to be as fast as the SSD that came with my MBP 2014.
 
Macbook Pro SSDs in 2014 are connected through a PCIe 2.0 interface. The thunderbolt ports are unto to 20 Gbps (2000 MBps). Any SSD will be limited by that.
 
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Wow, X5 is really expensive at almost $400. Speed up to 2800 which is more than 5 times faster than other SSDs.
But I would really like to see how fast it is in a side by side comparison, to see if I even need that speed, maybe just speed of 550 might be good enough for me.

While the X5 is really fast, I use it as a boot drive on my Late 2012 iMac with only TB1, so I never actually see those really fast speed.

Another thing about the X5 is that some people have reported it being throttled to USB2 speeds when used for non-stop writes of large files (100GB+).

It appears to be working as intended since it is a thermal protection feature, once the drive gets to a specific temp, it will throttle the speed to keep it from over heating.

The issue is that the firmware has that temperature threshold set too low, so it might prematurely throttle the speed.

This may have been fixed with newer firmware, but I don't know for sure.

The reason I bring it up is that if you plan on using the NVMe as a boot drive and decide to go for the X5, it would most likely be fine as boot drives tend not to have long writes of large data without break (with the exception of the first-time recovery from a backup of cloning of an existing drive).

If you plan on using the X5 for long, non-stop writes, you might want to look elsewhere, as cheaper enclosures most likely do have that issue.


I just want it to be as fast as the SSD that came with my MBP 2014.

You do not have have TB3 on your 2014 MBP, but you do have TB2.

I use TB1, and get speeds around 800MBps write and 900MBps Read with the X5. Not saying it would be exactly double with Thunderbolt 2, but you may see speeds around 1600MBps write and 1800MBps read using the X5 over TB2.

Although, I would suggest not using the X5, and maybe use an NVMe enclosure that has its own power supply.

You can use TB3 devices over TB1 and TB2 using Apple's bidirectional adapter, but this does not provide power via the bus. You must either use a TB3 dock or a TB3 device with its own power supply.


AFAIK the Samsung X5 is the exception, not the rule. Most consumer SSDs contain the same memory chips from other products (eg. Samsung T5/Samsung 860) but they'd be useless without the enclosure they come in.

Interesting, as this has not been my experience.

I am not saying you are wrong, but I have taken the drives out of every external drive I have owned, and replaced it with a different drive at some point.

I have not had any issue with doing this, but would not be surprised if there are drives out there that would only take brand specific SSDs, especially newer ones.
 
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I'm buying the external SSD to use with my iMac, but I would like the SSD to be as fast as the SSD that my 2014 MBP came with.
 
Interesting, as this has not been my experience.

I am not saying you are wrong, but I have taken the drives out of every external drive I have owned, and replaced it with a different drive at some point.

I have not had any issue with doing this, but would not be surprised if there are drives out there that would only take brand specific SSDs, especially newer ones.

How many external SSDs have you owned beyond the Samsung X5?

I think you've missed the point I was making entirely in the bolded text. This isn't like the days of old where external drives are brand A's enclosure around brand A or brand B's storage. Look at the form factor of modern consumer SSDs. They share memory chips with SATA/NVMe products but they aren't transferrable to a different enclosure.

See: Samsung T7 - https://www.anandtech.com/Gallery/Album/7478#6
 
2017 iMac

Using the USB-C ports and an external SSD you'll easily match the SSD in your 2014 MBP. Even a decent SATA SSD (Samsung 860) in a USB-C enclosure capable of 10Gbps (to maximise the SATA 3 interface's 6Gbps) would perform equally well or better than that. It was in 2015 iirc that MBP SSD speeds really bumped.
 

I get what you are saying now. I see why the OP wants to stick with enclosures with an internal NVMe.

2017 iMac
If you are just trying to get speeds similar to you 2014 MBP (write/read of over 700MBps), USB 3.2 Gen2 NVMe enclosures should more than meet those speeds. They are relatively cheap when compared to TB3 NVMe enclosures.

My only experience for the TB3 NVMe enclosures have been the Samsung X5, which you already saw how expensive they can be.

While the TB3 enclosures are more expensive, they do have some benefits over the USB drives, like TRIM support for example.
 
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OP:

If you don't want to pay for the X5, get a USB3.1 gen2 enclosure and put an nvme drive into it.

USB3.1 gen2 will give you read speeds of 965MBps or so. Not "X5 speeds", but the cost will be lower and the drive won't run as hot as do the X5's.

I used an Orico enclosure like this:

Any nvme blade SSD should do.
BE AWARE that you don't have to buy "the fastest" blade. You just need one with speeds around 1,000MBps or so. That's all the USB3.1 gen2 enclosure will deliver, so don't pay for more that you don't need.
 
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I was testing different methods of booting from external drives on my 2019 iMac (i5, 24GB RAM.) Here are the BlackMagic speedtest results of different drives I tried:

Samsung T5
Samsung T5.png

Samsung T7
Samsung T7.png
Samsung X5 (500GB)
Samsung X5.png

NVMe enclosure with TB3 connection (using Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB)
Samsung 970 EVO 500GB TEKQ Cube.png

Hope this helps.
 
The TEKQ Cube Thunderbolt 3 Enclosure
How's the temperature when using this as a bootable device? Most I'll run is Adobe's Lightroom classic + Photoshop + Lot of tabs on chrome. I've never done enclosure as bootable before and my fear is that it'll overheat and die on me :(

I have a 27" iMac 2017 with 16GB ram.


--Edit--

I just did some research on some enclosures. How come some say they're not compatible with 960 EVO? Is it the enclosure that's not compatible? Or the SSD itself (which makes no sense because you clearly got it tested...)

"For 960 EVO Plus and 970 EVO Plus are incompatible with MAC OS system"
and
"It is not compatible with 'Samsung 970 EVO Plus' and 'Samsung 960 EVO Plus"
 
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OP:

If you don't want to pay for the X5, get a USB3.1 gen2 enclosure and put an nvme drive into it.

USB3.1 gen2 will give you read speeds of 965MBps or so. Not "X5 speeds", but the cost will be lower and the drive won't run as hot as do the X5's.

I used an Orico enclosure like this:

Any nvme blade SSD should do.
BE AWARE that you don't have to buy "the fastest" blade. You just need one with speeds around 1,000MBps or so. That's all the USB3.1 gen2 enclosure will deliver, so don't pay for more that you don't need.
Thanks. Would this one work? https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-1TB-...ild=1&keywords=nvme+ssd&qid=1596636771&sr=8-9

It says up to 2000 but I guess that might come in handy if I ever decide to put it inside a Mac computer.
 
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How's the temperature when using this as a bootable device? Most I'll run is Adobe's Lightroom classic + Photoshop + Lot of tabs on chrome. I've never done enclosure as bootable before and my fear is that it'll overheat and die on me :(

I have a 27" iMac 2017 with 16GB ram.


--Edit--

I just did some research on some enclosures. How come some say they're not compatible with 960 EVO? Is it the enclosure that's not compatible? Or the SSD itself (which makes no sense because you clearly got it tested...)

"For 960 EVO Plus and 970 EVO Plus are incompatible with MAC OS system"
and
"It is not compatible with 'Samsung 970 EVO Plus' and 'Samsung 960 EVO Plus"
I'm actually using the enclosure right now. Temperature averages between 37 to 41C (according to iStat) with normal use. Not sure how it will be affected by Lightroom and Photoshop, although I do transfer and transcode videos from my TiVo and it doesn't go above 42C. The Samsung NVME has a feature that slows it down just a little when it reaches a certain temperature so there's no need to fear about it overheating. It comes with a 5-year warranty if it does die.

I think the incompatibility is with the NVME itself, and only with the EVO Plus models. I'm using the EVO only (not Plus or Pro.)
 
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I'm actually using the enclosure right now. Temperature averages between 37 to 41C (according to iStat) with normal use. Not sure how it will be affected by Lightroom and Photoshop, although I do transfer and transcode videos from my TiVo and it doesn't go above 42C. The Samsung NVME has a feature that slows it down just a little when it reaches a certain temperature so there's no need to fear about it overheating. It comes with a 5-year warranty if it does die.

I think the incompatibility is with the NVME itself, and only with the EVO Plus models. I'm using the EVO only (not Plus or Pro.)
Thank you so much. After 4 days of searching, I think I'll go with your suggestion; TEKQ with 970 EVO. Ppl recommended me ORICO, but I keep hearing about overheating. Your suggestion seems the most efficient, safest, and fair price compared to other options.
 
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I was testing different methods of booting from external drives on my 2019 iMac (i5, 24GB RAM.) Here are the BlackMagic speedtest results of different drives I tried:

Samsung T5
View attachment 940592
Samsung T7
View attachment 940593Samsung X5 (500GB)


WhAt was the brand and model of the NVMe enclosure with TB3 connection?
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NVMe enclosure with TB3 connection (using Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB)
View attachment 940596
Hope this helps.

What was the brand/model of the NVMe enclosure with TB3 connection?
 
Hi "vertical smile" I just created an account to ask this in response to what you wrote so hopefully you see this lol (if so I would appreciate any response). I have an older mac as well with Thunderbolt 1 and for awhile I've been wanting to do what it seems you've described here and whenever I look it up I've seen the same solution you've provided saying in order to use TB3 with a TB1/TB2 dock you need a TB3 dock or TB3 device with a power supply in combination with the Apple adapter since it doesn't provide power. What TB3 dock or power supply device are you using? Im wondering because the only thing I see on Amazon aren't TB3 to TB3 but they have tons of different ports and I see one that I think has a second TB3 on the back but I'm not sure if it would work (the CalDigit TS3 Plus Dock). If there's a much cheaper way to do it though I'd appreciate if anyone let me know.

From the iMac, I have a Thunderbolt 1 or 2 cable going to the Apple bidirectional adapter, and that going to a TB3 dock. From there, a TB3 cable to the X5.


For the TB3 dock, I found a CalDigit Thunderbolt Station 3 Lite on eBay for $99:

I wasn't sure if using a TB3 drive over TB1 would work, and was cautious about spending too much money on something that wouldn't work.

Now that I know it works, I would have spent a little more and purchased a different (better and more expensive) dock, or maybe powered NVMe enclosure like this one:


This is the bidirectional adapter, AFAIK, only Apple makes this, so no trying to save with a third-party adapter:

I'm not sure if it would work (the CalDigit TS3 Plus Dock)
This was one of the docks I looked into getting, but it was more expensive, and didn't want to risk spending that much unless I knew it was going to work.

If I could do it over again, I would have gotten one of the more expensive ones, or the powered NVMe enclosures.
 
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Thank you so much. After 4 days of searching, I think I'll go with your suggestion; TEKQ with 970 EVO. Ppl recommended me ORICO, but I keep hearing about overheating. Your suggestion seems the most efficient, safest, and fair price compared to other options.
You're welcome. Glad I could help.
 
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