Other For me, the iPhone 12 will have a better value for the price than the SE

[Marlon DLTH :)]

I mean, the 128gb iPhone SE costs $450 and the 128gb iPhone 12 (5.4 inch) is expected to costs $650. It has a lot better value for the price. The difference between both is huge. OLED display, 5G, dual cameras, A14 chip, bigger display on a smaller size, new design, smaller notch and bezels, Face ID, probably better battery life, etc

 

[lkalliance]

As a general rule, for any question that begins "Am I the only one...", the answer is "no."

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

I mean, the 128gb iPhone SE costs $450 and the 128gb iPhone 12 (5.4 inch) is expected to costs $650. It has a lot better value for the price. The difference between both is huge. OLED display, 5G, dual cameras, A14 chip, bigger display on a smaller size, new design, smaller notch and bezels, Face ID, probably better battery life, etc

Value is subjective and where you find value may not hold true to others.
* OLED display - there are people who prefer LCD, cannot use OLED due to PWM, etc.
* 5G - for most people this won’t matter for years. The rollout is minimal and slow.
* Dual cameras - the casual shooter who doesn’t take many pics likely won’t care.
* A14 chip - at this point, do you really think you’ll notice the difference?
* Bigger display on a smaller size - depends on the person.
* Smaller notch and bezels - that matters to people who care about design. There are people who prefer the 16:9 ratio of the bezel models where videos fit precisely natively and nothing is hidden by a notch.
* Face ID - you’ll find many who prefer Touch ID.
* Probably better battery life - some users don’t need it.

Point being, with 7.8 billion people on this planet, you’ll find plenty who will gladly use the SE and spend the extra $200 on something else.

 

[Marlon DLTH :)]

Value is subjective and where you find value may not hold true to others.
* OLED display - there are people who prefer LCD, cannot use OLED due to PWM, etc.
* 5G - for most people this won’t matter for years. The rollout is minimal and slow.
* Dual cameras - the casual shooter who doesn’t take many pics likely won’t care.
* A14 chip - at this point, do you really think you’ll notice the difference?
* Bigger display on a smaller size - depends on the person.
* Smaller notch and bezels - that matters to people who care about design. There are people who prefer the 16:9 ratio of the bezel models where videos fit precisely natively and nothing is hidden by a bezel
* Face ID - you’ll find many who prefer Touch ID.
* Probably better battery life - some users don’t need it.

Point being, with 7.8 billion people on this planet, you’ll find plenty who will gladly use the SE and spend the extra $200 on something else.

I know. But they are exceptions.

After the launch of the SE, many people are buying the iPhone XR or 11 instead of the SE because they think the extra $200 is worth the difference. So for the same reason, the iPhone 12 will be a much better value for more people than SE

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

I know. But they are exceptions.

After the launch of the SE, many people are buying the iPhone XR or 11 instead of the SE because they think the extra $200 is worth the difference. So for the same reason, the iPhone 12 will be a much better value for more people than SE

I get ya. Me, personally, if I enjoyed small phones I’d get the rumored 5.4” over the SE2 without question. But money, fortunately, is not a consideration in my case yet for many it is and that affects the view of value. Having seen the proposed overall dimensions of the 5.4” phone, for those who had the extra $200 to spare and wish the SE2 was smaller, I could see a fair amount of buyer’s remorse this fall.

 

[rui no onna]

I get ya. Me, personally, if I enjoyed small phones I’d get the rumored 5.4” over the SE2 without question. But money, fortunately, is not a consideration in my case yet for many it is and that affects the view of value. Having seen the proposed overall dimensions of the 5.4” phone, for those who had the extra $200 to spare and wish the SE2 was smaller, I could see a fair amount of buyer’s remorse this fall.

Rumors of the 5.4" iPhone 12 have abounded since before the SE2 was announced. Anyone who prefers FaceID and a bigger display in smaller chassis or just wants a change of style from iPhone 6-8 likely would have waited to begin with.

Those who still bought the SE2 likely did it for their own reasons most of which are probably mentioned in your post.

Value is subjective and where you find value may not hold true to others.
* OLED display - there are people who prefer LCD, cannot use OLED due to PWM, etc.
* 5G - for most people this won’t matter for years. The rollout is minimal and slow.
* Dual cameras - the casual shooter who doesn’t take many pics likely won’t care.
* A14 chip - at this point, do you really think you’ll notice the difference?
* Bigger display on a smaller size - depends on the person.
* Smaller notch and bezels - that matters to people who care about design. There are people who prefer the 16:9 ratio of the bezel models where videos fit precisely natively and nothing is hidden by a notch.
* Face ID - you’ll find many who prefer Touch ID.
* Probably better battery life - some users don’t need it.

Point being, with 7.8 billion people on this planet, you’ll find plenty who will gladly use the SE and spend the extra $200 on something else.

Personally, bought the SE2 because it's just a faster version of my iPhone 7 so I already know it works for me. I'll likely try the iPhone 12 to see if I can tolerate OLED because I do appreciate some of its features (5G, Night Mode and likely better battery). If the OLED display doesn't give migraines, the SE2 will be relegated to backup status.

And yes, I'm aware that I pretty much end up spending the same as an iPhone Pro combined. The thing is even the 5.8" iPhone Pro is bigger and heavier than I'd prefer whereas by virtue of size and smaller notch alone, I expect to like the 5.4" iPhone 12 better than the X/XS/11 Pro already.

 

[Ladybug]

I too am waiting for the 5.4 iPhone. Currently using an iPhone 8, and the only reason I didn’t jump on the SE2 is because I’m curious to see what 5.4 brings. I will likely get the 5.4 however if I change my mind I can always get an SE2 or a 11 pro even. I really value a smaller screen and something easy to pocket. Cameras and 5g hold no interest for me.

 

[ryankul]

These posts about a phone doesn’t exist always blows me away. I don’t think the iPhone 12 is going to be that great. I’m going to wait for the iPhone 12s because the camera is suppose to be quite a bit better.
My opinion is you buy a phone when you need it. You could always wait for phone X to come.

 

[rui no onna]

These posts about a phone doesn’t exist always blows me away. I don’t think the iPhone 12 is going to be that great. I’m going to wait for the iPhone 12s because the camera is suppose to be quite a bit better.
My opinion is you buy a phone when you need it. You could always wait for phone X to come.

We already know what the iPhone 11 is so we can expect features on the iPhone 12 to be same or better. Plus, there are a number of corresponding leaks from different sources.

In general, most people upgrade their phones when they need to. I expect there are a number of iPhone 6-8 owners (or even older) needing to upgrade this year. Whether they opt for SE2 or iPhone 12 would depend on urgency/immediate need, budget and preferences.

If the SE2 hadn't been released last month, would you have bought an iPhone 8 or would you have waited? Some users can afford to wait, others might not have that prerogative.

 

[Jyby]

Science Rules!

 

[ian87w]

I mean, the 128gb iPhone SE costs $450 and the 128gb iPhone 12 (5.4 inch) is expected to costs $650. It has a lot better value for the price. The difference between both is huge. OLED display, 5G, dual cameras, A14 chip, bigger display on a smaller size, new design, smaller notch and bezels, Face ID, probably better battery life, etc

This is typical every year, and it's a business strategy to encourage customers to "upsize" their purchase since it's just a "few hundred dollars more."

In the end, it's up to the person's budget. Some people might feel the upsized model is a better value, some people simply cannot exceed $450 to spend on a phone. Thus Apple has different iPhones at different price points.

 

[Phone Junky]

I mean, the 128gb iPhone SE costs $450 and the 128gb iPhone 12 (5.4 inch) is expected to costs $650. It has a lot better value for the price. The difference between both is huge. OLED display, 5G, dual cameras, A14 chip, bigger display on a smaller size, new design, smaller notch and bezels, Face ID, probably better battery life, etc

Won't know until it is actually released and we know the actual specs and price. Not rumors.

The supposed differences are huge for you. Different people have different wants and needs.
Some think the $300 price jump from the iPhone 11 to the Pro is a no brainer. Others say the OLED and third camera aren't even close to being worth that amount.

I know I'm not clamoring for 5G since who knows when and where it will be available and I'm not finding the speed on my phone to be lacking.

There are people still using iPhones with A8 or A9 chips and they work fine for them. Is A13 to A14 really going to be that noticeable?

Bigger display would be the only plus for me and if it is on a smaller phone, better yet. But these things aren't really known yet.

FaceID or TouchID, I don't care one way or the other. I've had both and either one works great.

Battery life is the question. Better battery life means bigger battery which means thicker heavier phone. We're not talking huge differences but I really am liking the size and weight of the new SE having used 8 Plus, X, XR.

So yes, value is subjective.

 

[TechLord]

Depends on what someone values. If I wanted a small phone I’d wait for the rumoured 5.4 and if I wanted a cheap phone I’d get the A71 which offers way more for your money imo. If someone values a combination of relative cheapness + old form factor + small phone + must have iOS then the SE can be good value for them.

 

[lkalliance]

These posts about a phone doesn’t exist always blows me away. I don’t think the iPhone 12 is going to be that great. I’m going to wait for the iPhone 12s because the camera is suppose to be quite a bit better.
My opinion is you buy a phone when you need it. You could always wait for phone X to come.

It is funny how non-existent products always outperform actual shipping products. BUT...

We already know what the iPhone 11 is so we can expect features on the iPhone 12 to be same or better. Plus, there are a number of corresponding leaks from different sources.

This is also true, and besides, this is a rumors site, this is the kind of discussion that SHOULD be happening. It's a way to express our excitement for the product!

 

[Thirio2]

I’m still using a 6s+ and considered the new SE plus a clip on lens to get telephoto capability. I think I will wait until the 12 pro has been out a while then decide between the two . I really want a telephoto lens and could care less about ultra wide. I like Touch ID, so that is not a problem with the SE. The biggest issue will be which one has better LTE performance in weak signal areas. My 6s+ still performs better in that respect than my wife’s X max.

 

[entropi]

Battery life is the question.

This! Beware! While I love the size and features of my original iPhone SE - the battery life has always been absolutely terrible! I replaced the battery in november 2018 but it didn't change anything, I still have just 50% left 4 hours in on a regular day.

I know I use my phone a lot but still (most for audio) - my previous iPhones never had any problems like this. Having the latest and fastest CPU with a "small" battery is not a good idea it seems, at least not for my use case.

The last LCD phone, iPhone 11, is now on my shoppinglist...

 

[Macloven]

I had hoped to hold out for the 12, presently using a 7. But my dad needs a phone now, so he'll get my hand-me-down 7 and I'll get the SE when it shows up. If the 12 is indeed all the rumors are stating I think $200 is a very fair price for the upgrade.

 

[mattopotamus]

I don't think you can really compare value with looking at the percent price increase. That is 30% more expensive, and the $200 is 44% the price of the SE.

Is the iPhone 12 going to be 30% better than the SE? Probably not, but that seems like a personal choice.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

* OLED display - there are people who prefer LCD, cannot use OLED due to PWM, etc.
* 5G - for most people this won’t matter for years. The rollout is minimal and slow.
* Dual cameras - the casual shooter who doesn’t take many pics likely won’t care.
* A14 chip - at this point, do you really think you’ll notice the difference?
* Bigger display on a smaller size - depends on the person.
* Smaller notch and bezels - that matters to people who care about design. There are people who prefer the 16:9 ratio of the bezel models where videos fit precisely natively and nothing is hidden by a notch.
* Face ID - you’ll find many who prefer Touch ID.
* Probably better battery life - some users don’t need it.

Honestly, these are helluva great reasons and worthwhile features to wait for the smaller iPhone 12. I'm now even more excited!

These posts about a phone doesn’t exist always blows me away. I don’t think the iPhone 12 is going to be that great. I’m going to wait for the iPhone 12s because the camera is suppose to be quite a bit better.
My opinion is you buy a phone when you need it. You could always wait for phone X to come.

The iPhone 12 will be like the iPhone 11 but better, and now finally in a smaller package.

People have been waiting for a true successor to the original SE forever, and it looks like Apple will finally deliver. This is something to wait for.

 

[rui no onna]

The iPhone 12 will be like the iPhone 11 but better, and now finally in a smaller package.

People have been waiting for a true successor to the original SE forever, and it looks like Apple will finally deliver. This is something to wait for.

The SE was just upgraded specs in an old body similar to what the current SE is.

The iPhone 12 is more of a true successor to the iPhone 5/5s (or even 4/4S).

 

[johnnylarue]

Am I the only one who likes to eat dry chocolate pudding mix out of a vintage tennis shoe?

 

[Marlon DLTH :)]

Reading all your replies, I decided to rename the thread ._.

 

[N0sh]

I think this is the year I should finally lay my 6s to rest in favor of the 12 Pro 😔

 

[44267547]

I mean, the 128gb iPhone SE costs $450 and the 128gb iPhone 12 (5.4 inch) is expected to costs $650. It has a lot better value for the price. The difference between both is huge. OLED display, 5G, dual cameras, A14 chip, bigger display on a smaller size, new design, smaller notch and bezels, Face ID, probably better battery life, etc

On a quick side-note:

you mentioned the difference ‘between models both is huge‘, and you mentioned OLED displays. Average consumers have no idea what OLED is, and Apple doesn’t even market OLED through active commercials or billboards. When consumers are considering to upgrade, yes, I agree that Face ID is a factor, the camera is major, ect, but OLED versus LCD, that’s not a selling point at all to ~99% of average consumers, but maybe to the active ~1% on tech sites alike.

{Plus, there is a small percentage/demographic of those struggle with PWM with OLED, which LCD may be the only option for them given that tendency.}

 

[lkalliance]

Average consumers have no idea what OLED is, and Apple doesn’t even market OLED through active commercials or billboards.

I think this is the most telling. If it were really important, Apple would be mentioning it specifically in commercials. Does Samsung, even?