For the price, Can’t beat the Max

[dandrewk]

The selling point of any AirPod is the integration. Other than that, there are better alternatives ”for the money” or often much less. And the integration really only becomes an issue for the 3rd device. All of the current headphones in this space do a good job switching between 2 devices. The third is when things can fall apart. Having said that, the AirPod line is perfect at this either. My AirPod Pro often get confused or “lose” one of the earbuds.

For me the real barrier for the APM is their design. They are too heavy to wear for extended periods and seem to simply not be a travel headphone. Get it to 300g or less and put them in a proper case and now we are talking.

Incidentally, those defending the case. Just stop. It is ridiculous and you know it. There is no situation in which that joke is better than a true case.

For me, auto switching is a non-issue, although I appreciate how seamlessly the APMs handle it. But it's always been about Spatial Audio. Nobody else has anything else close. I predict this will eventually become the killer feature of the APMs, especially when (as rumored) new Macs and Apple TVs bring support, along with a simultaneous announcement from Netflix.

Do you own a pair? The weight issue was predicted but has quickly become a non-factor. These are about as comfortable a pair as I've owned. The weight becomes a non-issue once you actually wear them. Clamping force is too tight for some, but that's easily adjusted.

Another thing nobody mentions. Apple's ANC creates zero pressure on the eardrums when active, and the transparent mode is much more natural sounding than the competition.

The case? Omigod, volumes have been written. I, too, thought it was stupid... right up until I actually saw it. Now I prefer them to cases supplied with every other headphone on the market. They do look a bit silly, but functionally provide as much protection as anyone will ever need (unless you think a cheap plastic clamshell provides protection). The phones are more sturdy than the competition, and the case takes up far less space than clamshells - a consideration with carry on luggage. Hardly what I would call "ridiculous".

 

[Cashmonee]

For me, auto switching is a non-issue, although I appreciate how seamlessly the APMs handle it. But it's always been about Spatial Audio. Nobody else has anything else close. I predict this will eventually become the killer feature of the APMs, especially when (as rumored) new Macs and Apple TVs bring support, along with a simultaneous announcement from Netflix.

Do you own a pair? The weight issue was predicted but has quickly become a non-factor. These are about as comfortable a pair as I've owned. The weight becomes a non-issue once you actually wear them. Clamping force is too tight for some, but that's easily adjusted.

Another thing nobody mentions. Apple's ANC creates zero pressure on the eardrums when active, and the transparent mode is much more natural sounding than the competition.

The case? Omigod, volumes have been written. I, too, thought it was stupid... right up until I actually saw it. Now I prefer them to cases supplied with every other headphone on the market. They do look a bit silly, but functionally provide as much protection as anyone will ever need (unless you think a cheap plastic clamshell provides protection). The phones are more sturdy than the competition, and the case takes up far less space than clamshells - a consideration with carry on luggage. Hardly what I would call "ridiculous".

I think spatial audio sounds cool but will end up being another one of those things that Apple introduces that doesn't really go anywhere. As others have said, there really isn't anything unique to it and many other standards exist that are far more likely to be adopted.

I do not own them. I seriously considered them, but after finding some long term reviews, it seems that many agree they really are not meant for leaving the house nor all day use. Even on this forum there are many examples of people that talk about the weight being the reason they don't stick with them or a major drawback.

I can't take you seriously on the case. I am sorry I just can't. There is no way I would trust putting APM in my bag. I do in fact believe the hardshell cases do protect headphones better than a flimsy textile that only covers a portion of the headphones. Saying otherwise is disingenuous. There is a reason there is a bustling market for cases for the APM.

Overall, I think they are decent headphones that are ultimately a Gen 1 product and not really worth the premium in their current form. If they add a case, shed at least 80 grams, and open them up a bit (EQ? Power button?), and get them closer $400, I think they would have a winner. As it is, these feel a lot like the HomePod.

EDIT: None of the major ANC headphones made in the last couple of years have a pressure issue. Having said that, it seem that APM's transparency does lead the class.

 

[dandrewk]

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[Robbosan]

I do not own them.

Enough said, lol.

 

[Phil A.]

I loved my AirPods max but they started causing really bad irritation around my ears (itching, swelling and peeling / dry skin. I do suffer from occasional mild psoriasis and I suspect something in the pads just exacerbated it. Since I stopped wearing them my skin has settled down again so there definitely seems to be a causal link, if only circumstantial

I was outside the return window so my daughter is now the grateful recipient of my AirPods Max and she loves them nearly as much as I did!

 

[Cashmonee]

Enough said, lol.

I figure there is still value for those reading this thread to help make a purchase decision to see a dissenting view from someone who is currently in search of headphones and has been researching real reviews. At the conclusion of that, I do not see the APM as “the best out there for the money.”

I don’t think that coming to the conclusion that they aren’t worth trying for my situation disqualifies me from having an opinion.

 

[nrvna76]

I figure there is still value for those reading this thread to help make a purchase decision to see a dissenting view from someone who is currently in search of headphones and has been researching real reviews. At the conclusion of that, I do not see the APM as “the best out there for the money.”

I don’t think that coming to the conclusion that they aren’t worth trying for my situation disqualifies me from having an opinion.

Of Course anybody can have an opinion, and the reason you chose not to buy are relevant. I can say that I love mine, I see the value in the case beyond its memes, (even if that means you can’t take me seriously) love spatial audio, and auto switching. I am happy with my purchase and after seeing other headphone prices that are all plastic I don’t think they are overpriced by more than the typical apple tax.

 

[TriApple]

The selling point of any AirPod is the integration. Other than that, there are better alternatives ”for the money” or often much less. And the integration really only becomes an issue for the 3rd device. All of the current headphones in this space do a good job switching between 2 devices. The third is when things can fall apart. Having said that, the AirPod line is perfect at this either. My AirPod Pro often get confused or “lose” one of the earbuds.

For me the real barrier for the APM is their design. They are too heavy to wear for extended periods and seem to simply not be a travel headphone. Get it to 300g or less and put them in a proper case and now we are talking.

Incidentally, those defending the case. Just stop. It is ridiculous and you know it. There is no situation in which that joke is better than a true case.

The case is a joke and I bought the vegan waterfield design ballistic one before I even got the headphones.

 

[nrvna76]

The case is a joke and I bought the vegan waterfield design ballistic one before I even got the headphones.

Out of curiosity. How often do you use the waterfield? When storing them at home do you always put it in that case? Do you leave them out?

Seems that around the house the Apple provided case is quicker, easier, and smaller to use. I think I’d choose to leave them out more often rather than zip them in a normal case every time I’m done using them.

 

[TriApple]

Out of curiosity. How often do you use the waterfield? When storing them at home do you always put it in that case? Do you leave them out?

Seems that around the house the Apple provided case is quicker, easier, and smaller to use. I think I’d choose to leave them out more often rather than zip them in a normal case every time I’m done using them.

Haven't gotten it yet.

In the meantime I am not using the Apple Case and I just keep them on a headphone stand and charged when needed.

the ultra low power mode from the magnets has been shown to be minor, as I understand.

 

[Cashmonee]

Out of curiosity. How often do you use the waterfield? When storing them at home do you always put it in that case? Do you leave them out?

Seems that around the house the Apple provided case is quicker, easier, and smaller to use. I think I’d choose to leave them out more often rather than zip them in a normal case every time I’m done using them.

But that is just it isn't it? With most headphones you can choose to have a stand or simply leave them on a desk (or whatever) or put them in their case because they have a power button. With the APM you have to use the case to reliably turn them off (according to many user reports). And at the end of the day, other headphones still have a case that you can use for on the go. APM require another purchase for that.

And honestly, zipping a case is no more difficult than making sure the APM are oriented correctly to allow for charging and flipping the magnet.

 

[TriApple]

But that is just it isn't it? With most headphones you can choose to have a stand or simply leave them on a desk (or whatever) or put them in their case because they have a power button. With the APM you have to use the case to reliably turn them off (according to many user reports). And at the end of the day, other headphones still have a case that you can use for on the go. APM require another purchase for that.

And honestly, zipping a case is no more difficult than making sure the APM are oriented correctly to allow for charging and flipping the magnet.

No doubt. Here's what I can tell you: I hate the APM case. I hate how it looks, I hate the process of putting the headphones in. I hate how I have to nuance the charging port angle a bit to get the lightning cable in.. all of it.

I also like the way headphones look on stands in my office. I own a lot and like them.

The case will be for travel, pre-pandemic I was one of those folks that was doing 250 takeoffs a year, need a case for my bag and the APM one won't work for my bag setup and what I carry. Exposed headband was a non-starter.

ETA: I have not yet experienced the power off issue. I lose about 5% overnight if I don't plug them in on my stand. That's fine for my workflows.

 

[ZeChild]

One thing I've found is Boom Audio an app for the Mac and iPhone that lets you set the EQ and it's got a few other features, the only downside is it only works on purchased tracks not Apple music for some annoying DRM reason.

 

[dandrewk]

I figure there is still value for those reading this thread to help make a purchase decision to see a dissenting view from someone who is currently in search of headphones and has been researching real reviews. At the conclusion of that, I do not see the APM as “the best out there for the money.”

I don’t think that coming to the conclusion that they aren’t worth trying for my situation disqualifies me from having an opinion.

I posted a response to your first post, but then I realized your post was filled with innuendo, exaggerations and falsehoods, not to mention condescending insults. So I deleted it.

I love how you qualify your research, calling the reviews you relied on "real". But the fact is, you don't own APMs, and I'll bet you've never actually handled a pair. So your "opinion" is 100% innuendo, based on cherry picked reviews from "some guy on the internet".

No doubt there are "real", valid reviews out there. Your's is not one of them.

 

[Cashmonee]

I posted a response to your first post, but then I realized your post was filled with innuendo, exaggerations and falsehoods, not to mention condescending insults. So I deleted it.

I love how you qualify your research, calling the reviews you relied on "real". But the fact is, you don't own APMs, and I'll bet you've never actually handled a pair. So your "opinion" is 100% innuendo, based on cherry picked reviews from "some guy on the internet".

No doubt there are "real", valid reviews out there. Your's is not one of them.

I see nothing in my reply that is "innuendo, exaggerations, and falsehoods." I do however note that instead of responding to any criticism, you instead decide to simply attack the messenger.

If they work for you, that is great! I am just offering a dissenting opinion based extensive research about a purchase decision. For me personally, the APM did not warrant trying out. But that is me. I admit, I have not owned them. My decision came from watching and reading reviews of longer term owners who seem to have consistent criticism that tells me this will be a product I won't like. I feel like people come to a discussion forum to hear both sides.

EDIT: The "real" is in reference to the early glowing reviews from YouTubers. I do not put much weight in those as they were given the product for free and came to conclusions quickly while glossing over potential drawbacks. Instead I sought out reviews that were after a couple of months and in user forums.

 

[dandrewk]

I see nothing in my reply that is "innuendo, exaggerations, and falsehoods." I do however note that instead of responding to any criticism, you instead decide to simply attack the messenger.

LOL, DJT, is that you? Simply misstating reality doesn't make it so. I'm not the one who used terms like "ingenious" when someone (who has -actual- experience) disagrees with your assumptions. You call someone a liar, and then claim you are being attacked.

Your -entire- posts in this thread are innuendo, exaggerations and falsehoods as you have no direct, personal experience. Why are you even here? Grab a pair, you can always return them. Then come back here and post reviews that are based on reality.

 

[Cashmonee]

LOL, DJT, is that you? Simply misstating reality doesn't make it so. I'm not the one who used terms like "ingenious" when someone (who has -actual- experience) disagrees with your assumptions. You call someone a liar, and then claim you are being attacked.

Your -entire- posts in this thread are innuendo, exaggerations and falsehoods as you have no direct, personal experience. Why are you even here? Grab a pair, you can always return them. Then come back here and post reviews that are based on reality.

Thanks for pointing out the auto-correct mistake. I meant to say disingenuous. Which I stand behind that. Anyone who is claiming that somehow that case is better than a hard case is being disingenuous. As for buying them to try out, I simply cannot. They are not available and I explored other options instead and happen to find something that fit me. Had they been in stock, I likely would have gotten a pair. As it is, I am not feeling bad about not having bought them knowing that I likely would not get along with them anyway.

Again, no response to my criticism. Also, no refuting all the lies I told. Got it.

One last thing. I take offense to the name calling. I have not attacked you in the least bit and do not think that simply questioning whether the APM are the best for the money warrants personal attacks.

 

[dandrewk]

One last thing. I take offense to the name calling. I have not attacked you in the least bit and do not think that simply questioning whether the APM are the best for the money warrants personal attacks.

So it is you. Pot, meet kettle. If you take offense to name calling, perhaps you shouldn't actively and routinely do so yourself. Besides instigating flame wars, why are you here?

I'll stand by my statements, and there are many others who agree with my post. I guess they are all liars too, right? Give me a break...

I'm ending responses to you. Flame on into the void.

 

[Robbosan]

I figure there is still value for those reading this thread to help make a purchase decision to see a dissenting view from someone who is currently in search of headphones and has been researching real reviews. At the conclusion of that, I do not see the APM as “the best out there for the money.”

I don’t think that coming to the conclusion that they aren’t worth trying for my situation disqualifies me from having an opinion.

Come back when you have tried a pair for 2 weeks. Anything else you would like to give your die hard opinion on that you got from other peoples reviews lol.

 

[Htsi]

Don’t knock it before ya try it

 

[DekuBleep]

I love the way mine sound. They are fantastic and well worth the money. Especially this year when I am working from home surrounded by my loud family all day every day. Loving that noise cancellation.

 

[Robbosan]

I love the way mine sound. They are fantastic and well worth the money. Especially this year when I am working from home surrounded by my loud family all day every day. Loving that noise cancellation.

Amen to that lol. How good and easy is the button to swap from transparency to NC?

 

[Cashmonee]

Enough said, lol.

I posted a response to your first post, but then I realized your post was filled with innuendo, exaggerations and falsehoods, not to mention condescending insults. So I deleted it.

I love how you qualify your research, calling the reviews you relied on "real". But the fact is, you don't own APMs, and I'll bet you've never actually handled a pair. So your "opinion" is 100% innuendo, based on cherry picked reviews from "some guy on the internet".

No doubt there are "real", valid reviews out there. Your's is not one of them.

Don’t knock it before ya try it

My B&O HX arrived today and as I was playing with them I was again disappointed at the connectivity versus my AirPods Pro (and presumably AirPods Max). So I took a look at Apple's site and they had some space gray available for pick up. So I went ahead and took some of the friendly advice and bought them. I have had them home for about 45 minutes. I have a couple of initial thoughts. For reference, I currently have the Bose NC700, B&O H9 3rd Gen, and B&O HX. I also have already purchased and returned the Sennheiser Momentum 3. By the end of this week (and if I want to keep my wife hopefully sooner!), all but one of these will be going back.

• They are definitely well built and very premium feeling. I figured this would be the case, but opening a new Apple product is always a pleasure and makes you feel like you really got something special.
• The case is a joke. I am sorry, maybe after a few days I will appreciate it or something, but my initial impression is that it will go in the box and I would get a 3rd party solution.
• The weight might be an issue. Sitting still, they are totally fine. I do not feel there is too much clamping pressure. I also do not "feel" the weight in general. As soon as I move, then you are reminded just how heavy they are. leaning forward does give the sensation that they are going to fall off.
• They are producing noticeable cabin pressure. These are the only headphones I have currently that exhibit this to a noticeable degree. Having said that, it is something that most people will acclimate to if past experience with my older QC-35II's is any indication.
• The connectivity is great. Just like my AirPods Pro, it is truly seamless. As I stated in my original post to this thread, this is one of the major reasons to by the APM.
• The sound is really good. Having said that, I do not feel qualified to judge sound and I have barely had them.
• No chance to use Spatial Audio yet, but I will hopefully this evening.
• Transparency is amazing as expected.
• Haven't had much chance to test ANC, but initial impressions is that it is at least "close enough" to all the others to not matter

Those are just some very preliminary thoughts. Overall, they are about what I expected so far. Having said that, the connectivity would be enough for me to keep them if they prove to be comfortable. Currently of the headphones I have here, they are definitely the least comfortable mostly due to the cabin pressure. Not sure how the weight will feel on my neck after a few hours.

In case anyone wants to know what indecision (or insanity?) looks like.

 

[Robbosan]

The case is a joke. I am sorry, maybe after a few days I will appreciate it or something, but my initial impression is that it will go in the box and I would get a 3rd party solution.

I havn't even looked at it still in box lol, i don't need it yet if ever, use a stand.

I havn't had your other ones there but I had the bose 700 and the QC3511 and they were ok with 2, but i have 5 apple products i swap between, even the Beats studio wireless i had were better with connection.

The button for transparency to ANC is so good. Great for calls too.

 

[Cashmonee]

I havn't even looked at it still in box lol, i don't need it yet if ever, use a stand.

I havn't had your other ones there but I had the bose 700 and the QC3511 and they were ok with 2, but i have 5 apple products i swap between, even the Beats studio wireless i had were better with connection.

The button for transparency to ANC is so good. Great for calls too.

Exactly this. The connectivity is the killer feature for me. If one of the others could match that feature, they would likely be the pick because of better portability and comfort. But like you said, once you go over 2 it becomes a pain. I have 4 Apple devices I would use, plus an Apple TV that could occasionally be used.

The B&O HX and NC700 have a transparency mode with the same button as the APM. The transparency isn't as good as the APM, but it works.

Feature-wise, all of these are on par outside of connectivity. Now the implementation may be on one than the other, but they all have transparency, good enough ANC, good SQ (those the Bose is definitely the worst of the bunch).

Overall, I like them. The thing that will kill them for me is the comfort. If that doesn't improve, it will be a dealbreaker.