"Force Touch" Equivalent on Android

[tbayrgs]

Force touch is a gimmick. It's easier to long press and select from a menu than trying to gauge the right amount of pressure to apply. Tried it on the rMB and hated it. Plus, 'force' and 'touch' are contradicting like 'brute force' and 'technique'.

I won't profess to claim Force Touch is some revolutionary new feature before we actually see how it's implemented (like people leaving reviews for products before they actually own it ), though I am curious about it. How does any one of us know it's a gimmick before we've actually used it? And must it only be one or the other?

Here's one example...on my iPad, if I long press on a section of text in this thread, that section of text is then selected. I have no other options. With force press, Apple could add an option entire new selection of contextual options...using only long press to do that--how do I then select text?

Maybe they integrate the force touch sensitivity in a similar fashion to how Wacom does with their pressure sensitive stylus (admittedly don't know how the tech behind that works) so writing/drawing is improved? Who knows what they have planned. How about we practice what everyone here preaches and actually wait to see how it'll work before proclaiming it a success/failure.

 

[grkm3]

Huawei just announced a new phone that apparently has a "force touch" screen.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/02/huawei-mate-s-announced/#comments

Ok I'm sorry but this is pathetic. Could they not come up with their own marketing terminology for this? As far as I know "force touch" is not some industry standard term, it's a marketing term Apple came up with. And these Chinese companies wonder why people accuse them of copying?

Ok my friend please tell us what is a better industry standard term for forcing a touch screen for inputs.

We had
Resistive touch screens
Capacitive touch screens

And now drum roll

Force touch screens.Android has had the api for force touch screens for years now.

Relax bro

 

[kdarling]

Ok I'm sorry but this is pathetic. Could they not come up with their own marketing terminology for this?

What, you mean like the way Apple tried to grab the generic industry term "multitouch", instead of coming up with their own marketing name? How soon people forget.

As far as I know "force touch" is not some industry standard term, it's a marketing term Apple came up with. And these Chinese companies wonder why people accuse them of copying?

LIke multitouch, it's an industry term. "Touch force" screen and "force touch" sensor have been around since at least the early 1990s when I started getting paid to work with touch screens. Probably before.

E.g. as in this 1999 patent title:

However, "ForceTouch" (as one word in black and blue) is a trademark owned by NextInput Inc:

Interestingly, there's evidence that NextInput supplies the force touch sensors to Apple. They have a new CEO who came from a previous Apple supplier, and their website has pictures like this:

So, not only did Apple neither invent nor own the term, it's also possible that other companies plan to buy the NextInput product as well. Or they could simply use similar technology with a similar name.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Force touch and haptic feedback are not new. Samsung phones have had these features for years.

 

[grkm3]

Iv seen rogis posts on apple insider and man does that guy have some hate for anything other than apple.

I can't reply to him there because I got banned in less then 3 posts over there.

There posters are the true definition of fanboys and trolls lol

 

[kdarling]

Interesting article at The Verge:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/2/9244651/huawei-mate-s-force-touch

Showing the new Huawei being used on stage to weigh an orange. Pretty cool.

It also talks about their "knuckle sense" shortcuts, and their establishment of a "Force Touch Idea Lab" to collect suggestions for new uses.

 

[g0df4th3r]

What do you expect from Rogifan? He/She believes Apple invented everything in the universe.

 

[mi7chy]

I've seen demonstrations of using the force touch screen as a scale but some of the objects used could scratch the screen. Definitely something I wouldn't be doing with a $700 phone but maybe those drop testers can benefit from the impact data. Still a gimmick and will end up like the Amazon Fire Phone.

 

[kdarling]

What do you expect from Rogifan? He/She believes Apple invented everything in the universe.

Even though she's a staunch (almost blindly so at times) Apple fan, Rogifan's alright.

For one thing, she doesn't take comments about Apple personally, like some here, and she doesn't engage in personal attacks.

 

[jamezr]

Iv seen rogis posts on apple insider and man does that guy have some hate for anything other than apple.

I can't reply to him there because I got banned in less then 3 posts over there.

There posters are the true definition of fanboys and trolls lol

I used to frequent AI. Have had an account for years. I have been banned several times over there. The mods are serious fanboys. You will not find anything objective on AI.

 

[Truefan31]

I've seen demonstrations of using the force touch screen as a scale but some of the objects used could scratch the screen. Definitely something I wouldn't be doing with a $700 phone but maybe those drop testers can benefit from the impact data. Still a gimmick and will end up like the Amazon Fire Phone.

Lol really? The iPhone will end up like the Amazon fire?

 

[Rogifan]

Ok my friend please tell us what is a better industry standard term for forcing a touch screen for inputs.

We had
Resistive touch screens
Capacitive touch screens

And now drum roll

Force touch screens.Android has had the api for force touch screens for years now.

Relax bro

If "force touch" existed before Apple coined that marketing phrase and there's no better "industry standard term" why has no one used it prior to Apple?

 

[Rogifan]

I used to frequent AI. Have had an account for years. I have been banned several times over there. The mods are serious fanboys. You will not find anything objective on AI.

Right because this form on MR is the epitome of objectivity. Haha.

 

[Rogifan]

What do you expect from Rogifan? He/She believes Apple invented everything in the universe.

If you read what I've actually posted in this thread I'm NOT talking about the technology, only the marketing term. If "force touch" is the logical name/term for this technology why was no one using it prior to Apple? And why did Huawei decide to use it after Apple had already done so? If you have examples of that phrase being used prior to Apple please share.

 

[grkm3]

If "force touch" existed before Apple coined that marketing phrase and there's no better "industry standard term" why has no one used it prior to Apple?

Resistive touch
Capacitive touch
Force touch

Are all screen technologies not marketing terms.

Apple is pushing for it and is using it.its a type of screen technology. If you think its marketing term I don't know what else to tell you.

It just happens to be a perfect name for what it is as a marketing standpoint but what else are people supposed to call these screens?

If apple called it IForce then yes I would agree 100% with you.

 

[mi7chy]

Force touch is off the shelf gimmick that any company can buy. Get over it.

 

[kdarling]

If "force touch" is the logical name/term for this technology why was no one using it prior to Apple?

For anyone coming in late, the next post (my #28) after the one you replied to, has the answer. It pointed out that it is a generic term, and gave examples of both a patent and another company that used the term before Apple.

In short: Apple did not invent the term, nor do they have a trademark on it. Moreover, they apparently buy touch force sensors from another company that uses the term throughout their website marketing.

I think you're worrying about something that not even Apple is going to worry about.

 

[Technarchy]

Don't we have something like this already? I can press on my screen and get all kinds of options now.

On android it's a useless feature. iOS needs a means to shortcut with haptic feedback.

Android is already there with no additional sensors needed.

 

[mi7chy]

You don't need to use it to visualize that it's a gimmick.

"it can be a little difficult to precisely get the exact amount of magnification you are looking for"

"... can approximate the weight of an item placed on the display by the amount of pressure it exerts but since it requires a certain amount of pressure, the item needs to weigh a minimum of 100 grams and a maximum of 400 grams. It’s not the most useful feature in the world ..."

http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-hands-640251/

 

[Truefan31]

On android it's a useless feature. iOS needs a means to shortcut with haptic feedback.

Android is already there with no additional sensors needed.

I'm curious if android already has it why is it a feature for the mate s? You mean Apple won't have any added functionality with force touch? It seems to give the mate s added functionality.

 

[Truefan31]

You don't need to use it to visualize that it's a gimmick.

"it can be a little difficult to precisely get the exact amount of magnification you are looking for"

"... can approximate the weight of an item placed on the display by the amount of pressure it exerts but since it requires a certain amount of pressure, the item needs to weigh a minimum of 100 grams and a maximum of 400 grams. It’s not the most useful feature in the world ..."

http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-hands-640251/

Or we can wait and see how Apple implements it on the iPhone 6s. Instead of saying its a gimmick and it'll end up like the Amazon fire phone like you said.

 

[Rogifan]

Resistive touch
Capacitive touch
Force touch

Are all screen technologies not marketing terms.

Apple is pushing for it and is using it.its a type of screen technology. If you think its marketing term I don't know what else to tell you.

It just happens to be a perfect name for what it is as a marketing standpoint but what else are people supposed to call these screens?

If apple called it IForce then yes I would agree 100% with you.

Who was using that term prior to Apple? Give me a source/example/link of that phrase being an industry standard prior to Apple using it and I'll happily stand corrected.

 

[jamezr]

Who was using that term prior to Apple? Give me a source/example/link of that phrase being an industry standard prior to Apple using it and I'll happily stand corrected.

You just need to read the thread.......to the point post #28.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/force-touch-equivalent-on-android.1911773/page-2#post-21780806

 

[mi7chy]

It's a moot point anyway because Apple is probably going to call it 3D touch but it's actually more like 1D touch since you're pressing on one axis.

 

[grkm3]

Who was using that term prior to Apple? Give me a source/example/link of that phrase being an industry standard prior to Apple using it and I'll happily stand corrected.

Gee I don't know how bout the makers and the ones who patented it calling it force touch is not enough for ya?

Did you even read the patent for forcetouch?

Dual sensor touchscreen utilizing projective-capacitive and force touch sensors
US 6492979 B1

Force touch sensors on a capacitive screen!