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HiDEF

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I'm a huge Samsung fanboy, but even I notice the lag. The 3 seconds it takes for the task manager to open, or the 5 seconds it takes for the camera to open, etc etc. I don't think anyone should take it personally, and possibly some have more of a tolerance than others for it. What may be lag to me, is simply an app opening regularly to another.
I can respect that. I've personally haven't experience any lag with my previous Note 2, OPO, and currently my N6.

But I also don't run tons of apps or widgets to begin with.
 

Savor

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All that power, and probably less than 10% of potential owners will ever need it or fully utilize it to their max potential. Only gamers might care and I don't fall into that category. I prefer a handheld for real portable gaming and less ad-supported / micro-transaction time-wasters.

I stick to cheap phones these days like I stick to a cheap, small TV display. I can get them for a much better price but I know how to fully utilize them instead of overpaying for a brand where most don't have a clue how use even 20% of the device's potential. And if my cheap phones break or gets stolen, easy to get another one. Smartphones are as disposal to me as music and movie downloads.

Benchmark scores is for stat geeks and isn't practical to the harsh realities of daily life. Just an endless chase for numbers that always gets better every few months. And even if you get those type of numbers, are you even utilizing it or using your phone to their full potential? Are you some hardcore multi-tasker, gamer, or developer? Probably not but it is nice to brag for a few months about numbers most people would not know or even care about.
 

spinedoc77

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I can respect that. I've personally haven't experience any lag with my previous Note 2, OPO, and currently my N6.

But I also don't run tons of apps or widgets to begin with.

You might have something there, I pushed my phones hard. My Note 4 had maybe 8 or 9 widgets across 3 home screens. I wonder if something like that is what's causing the marked differences in experiences we all have.
 
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Fernandez21

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I think you're missing the whole point. Benchmarks are a good starting point of how a device will perform. Especially compared to other similar devices. Benchmarks are early indicators only. They are touted are early indicators of future performance . Have you ever heard an OEM tout their device as "slower" than the previous generation.

This. While not the end all be all that determines performance, it gives a good indication of what its capable of and what type of performance we should expect. Its still up to the poem to fine tune the software to properly utilize the hardware. Thats why people have been so harsh on Samsung and touchwiz in the past, benchmarks showed what the hardware was capable of, but because of how poorly touchwiz is set up it never translated to user experience, luckily samsung has been figuring this out in the last couple iterations.

That being said, those numbers are beastly, i hope they're legit, unlike the ones posted a couple of weeks ago.
 
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Fernandez21

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You might have something there, I pushed my phones hard. My Note 4 had maybe 8 or 9 widgets across 3 home screens. I wonder if something like that is what's causing the marked differences in experiences we all have.

hmm… i also noticed lag on my Note 4 and i too have 7 widgets across a couple of home screens and over 200 apps installed. My GS6 though, barely had any lag at all with the same setup.
 
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grkm3

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Some of these responses are puzzling to me.on one hand you have people saying Samsung lags and then you have we will only use 10% of the grunt power.

This 40-60 % boost will help the lag some of you are having and its showing Samsung innovating and building its own cores.

They are also claiming 40% power savings over last gen chips and look at that multi scrore,its almost double the 8 core exynos with only 4 cores.

Intel is now seriously worried because this will get server market attention because of the raw performance and low power draw and cheap price.Intel xenon chips are like 3k each vs 50 bucks for the exynos.

I won't even post the a9 results,they are pathetic and the iPhone 6s is still a dual core and can't match last years exynos

Speaking of apple I have no idea why they are eating time and money designing and having other fabs build there chips.its cheaper and more efficient to just use the new exynos m1
 
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grkm3

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For those interested here is a compare to all next gen socs.like I said Samsung is almost 2 years ahead now and still no snapdragon 820,after they saw this they prolly went back to the drawing board lol

13939-9080-Apple-A9-GeekBench-3-l.jpg
 
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Andres Cantu

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For those interested here is a compare to all next gen socs.like I said Samsung is almost 2 years ahead now and still no snapdragon 820,after they saw this they prolly went back to the drawing board lol

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I hope that the A9 is not dual-core, as it would be the first time a "regular" A-chip would not beat its "X" predecessor. Other "leaked" scores say that the A9 reaches 4,800 in the multi-core score, which means one of the two scores is fake. Also, the A9X does not seem to be a huge improvement over the A8X. Would be similar situation like the A7 to A8.
 

spinedoc77

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Some of these responses are puzzling to me.on one hand you have people saying Samsung lags and then you have we will only use 10% of the grunt power.

This 40-60 % boost will help the lag some of you are having and its showing Samsung innovating and building its own cores.

They are also claiming 40% power savings over last gen chips and look at that multi scrore,its almost double the 8 core exynos with only 4 cores.

Intel is now seriously worried because this will get server market attention because of the raw performance and low power draw and cheap price.Intel xenon chips are like 3k each vs 50 bucks for the exynos.

I won't even post the a9 results,they are pathetic and the iPhone 6s is still a dual core and can't match last years exynos

Speaking of apple I have no idea why they are eating time and money designing and having other fabs build there chips.its cheaper and more efficient to just use the new exynos m1

I think we complain because it's like putting a turbocharged engine in a car with square wheels. Most, if not all of the other Android OEMs and Google can have an OS with an overlay and not have it run laggy and open apps slowly. They keep throwing hardware at the problem, but they just need to redesign TW from the ground up.
 
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Robstevo

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It's funny how people think Samsung phones lag.some have memory issues with reloading but even if the phone needs to reload its still faster then any phone out there.

The m1 is also a quad core not an 8 like the gs6 and note 5
They do lag, I just saw a gs6 edge plus video and it lagged and the screen came unresponsive when sliding to the flip board page on the home screen.

Samsung suck when it comes to soft ware, they have inproved but still lagging vastly behind pure android.
 

jamezr

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They do lag, I just saw a gs6 edge plus video and it lagged and the screen came unresponsive when sliding to the flip board page on the home screen.

Samsung suck when it comes to soft ware, they have inproved but still lagging vastly behind pure android.
lol...my iphone 6 plus stutters and lags on Flipboard and web browsing. Pure Android is featureless......it doesn't even have a battery mete that can display percentages in text.
 
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grkm3

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lol...my iphone 6 plus stutters and lags on Flipboard and web browsing. Pure Android is featureless......it doesn't even have a battery mete that can display percentages in text.

I love how they blame poor app coding for lag.I'd love to see what the ios users says about bar stool app on ios.it litteraly runs like a 286 computer from 1990
 
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gotluck

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Robstevo

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lol...my iphone 6 plus stutters and lags on Flipboard and web browsing. Pure Android is featureless......it doesn't even have a battery mete that can display percentages in text.
I didn't even mention the Iphone, And I don't know why your excusing phones that have the most amazing specs and hardware, but still lag.

Simple fact is Samsung is throwing amazing hardware at a problem that is fundamentally a software problem. Nothing in the mobile industry requires 4GB of ram, yet even with that ram, apps still reload. Not good enough and if more people complain they will put more effect to fix it.

They fixed the build quality issue after people complained. They should fix the software proble. They tried with the current touch wizz but it still lacks.

If HTC , A much smaller company can do it, samsung can.
 
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jamezr

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I didn't even mention the Iphone, And I don't know why your excusing phones that have the most amazing specs and hardware, but still lag.

Simple fact is Samsung is throwing amazing hardware at a problem that is fundamentally a software problem. Nothing in the mobile industry requires 4GB of ram, yet even with that ram, apps still reload. Not good enough and if more people complain they will put more effect to fix it.

They fixed the build quality issue after people complained. They should fix the software proble. They tried with the current touch wizz but it still lacks.

If HTC , A much smaller company can do it, samsung can.
Does TW need to be optimized...sure it does. Still IMHO Samsung has the best Android user experience.

Oh and who is affected by this issue you speak of? Fact is the overwhelming majority of people do not know it exists. let alone are affected by it.

The so called ram issue has to be pointed out and then demonstrated for even us phone nerds to see it. Thats how much it affects us. Then you know.....you don't have to buy a Samsung phone. No one is twisting your arm. Don't like a Samsung phone.....very easy solution. Just don't buy one.
The current version of TW rocks! Have you used it? Not just a display model at the store either. So then how do you know? The current TW is better than featureless stock Android.

Oh.....and how is HTC doing these days? Nuff said about your example......
 

Dreamliner330

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It's funny how people think Samsung phones lag.some have memory issues with reloading but even if the phone needs to reload its still faster then any phone out there.
Yeah no.

People often interpret stutter as lag. S-s-s-samsun-n-n-n-g.
 
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