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Mlrollin91

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What is "camera roll"? And what is the issue about deleting photos?

If you had the photos on the first of November, and accidentally deleted everything on the first of December - you should be able to go back to any snapshot in November and restore the photos.

Does Time Machine not work like this?

The post that you originally quoted me in states what I was referring to about photos and iCloud backup. If you have photos on your device and they backup to the cloud. Then you delete them from your device they remain in the cloud incase you needed to restore. You said Apple should use duplication backups like Microsoft did. I said that they do but they can't with everything. If they did that with photos then once you deleted the photos off the device and then re-backed up, it would delete the photos out of the cloud and therefore you wouldn't be able to restore.

My point was you were implying that Apple doesn't do duplication delta backups but they actually do. Health is a bug in iOS 10 and camera roll in intentionally saved for future restores. All other iCloud backup data is delta/duplication-free.

Time machine is a whole other beast. That creates backups over backups but preserves the previous backup until your hard drive is full then deletes previous backups.
 

Tech198

Cancelled
Mar 21, 2011
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Google's in in a different mind set.. They can afford to throw gigabytes/terrabytes to everyone who wants it vs Apple, because they make it up in their paid business, and advertising revenues

Apple doesn't have that option. and their focus is instead no privacy.. You can't have a company that does advertsing that also keeps privacy.... since the advertising agency break that position.

Apple probably would like to offer more storage, but i think they favor privacy more. otherwise u'd be in a model where u just offer as much storage as you like on the condition u also give up your privacy as well..so there is no "gain" to either.

I don't think Apple wants to be like that, and if they did, allot of people wouldn't like it.
 

stephen.peritz

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Oct 26, 2014
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Thanks for the reply
Yep I should have used the word 'encrypted' iTunes backup (I only ever use encrypted in iTunes)

The macobserver link https://www.macobserver.com/tips/quick-tip/quick-tip-icloud-can-now-backup-and-restore-health-data/ Sept 12 '16 implies its new - I was wrong so are they.

So to confirm:
only encrypted iTunes backups will backup

• account passwords
• Wi-Fi settings
• Browsing history

iCloud via iPhone backups wont backup these three?

thanks

One time I used encrypted backup and then when I tried to restore it reported back an error message that the backup was corrupted! Never again!
 
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deany

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One time I used encrypted backup and then when I tried to restore it reported back an error message that the backup was corrupted! Never again!
Hi
Sorry to hear that it makes you lose confidence.
On your advice I may do encrypted and unencrypted iTunes backups and archive them.
thanks for the post
 
when you get a new iPhone what do you recommend as being the best way of restoring data from your previous iPhone?

This all depends on what cloud services you use from Apple.

As I use every service available I backup and restore from the cloud. On a bad connection it takes about 45 minutes to restore the phone, on my 300 Mbps connection at home it takes about 10 minutes. If you do not use any cloud services I strongly suggest that you backup your phone in an unencrypted iTunes backup before you replace the device, then when you have the device, restore the device from the iTunes backup.

The reason I say unencrypted is because it takes slightly more time to restore from an encrypted backup as you have to decrypt the backup before you can restore it. Once it has been restored, delete the backup after a week just so you know it will hold.

Of course this is a case by case and entirely subjective to each person. You either have patience or you don't.

If you are backing up to a laptop that will leave your house without a password and you have an iTunes backup with sensitive data (SSNs, credit/debit card numbers, passwords, which are all terrible things to put on a device anyways) you should backup your device with an encrypted backup. If you are backing up to a computer that will not leave your house, you really have no need to create an encrypted backup unless you are just paranoid that someone is that interested they are willing to break into your house within the week you have the unencrypted backup on your computer.

Other reasons for doing so is you have a computer-smart kid and you have their Christmas list in your notes. If it's not a shared computer and never leaves the house, I don't see why an unencrypted backup would be less secure than an encrypted one considering personal computers are at very low risk for threats anyways.

You just have to think about it for yourself and consider, is the restore time too long if I backup to the cloud? If it is, do a little risk assessment, what are the odds I'll get hacked? What is the worst that could happen if I did? (based off of what you have in your phone) Once you have it figured out you can decide for yourself whether or not you need to encrypt the backup.

Just know that you could have the hardest password in the world, an encrypted iTunes backup and a phone without a passcode, 0000 or 1111, or other variations and your security precautions for your backup would be completely meaningless because someone would just need to take your phone.

In the security of mobile devices, the best way to look at it is don't put anything on it you wouldn't want anyone else to have, guarantee you'll lose your phone before you lose your MacBook Pro.
 
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deany

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This all depends on what cloud services you use from Apple.

As I use every service available I backup and restore from the cloud. On a bad connection it takes about 45 minutes to restore the phone, on my 300 Mbps connection at home it takes about 10 minutes. If you do not use any cloud services I strongly suggest that you backup your phone in an unencrypted iTunes backup before you replace the device, then when you have the device, restore the device from the iTunes backup.

The reason I say unencrypted is because it takes slightly more time to restore from an encrypted backup as you have to decrypt the backup before you can restore it. Once it has been restored, delete the backup after a week just so you know it will hold.

Of course this is a case by case and entirely subjective to each person. You either have patience or you don't.

If you are backing up to a laptop that will leave your house without a password and you have an iTunes backup with sensitive data (SSNs, credit/debit card numbers, passwords, which are all terrible things to put on a device anyways) you should backup your device with an encrypted backup. If you are backing up to a computer that will not leave your house, you really have no need to create an encrypted backup unless you are just paranoid that someone is that interested they are willing to break into your house within the week you have the unencrypted backup on your computer.

Other reasons for doing so is you have a computer-smart kid and you have their Christmas list in your notes. If it's not a shared computer and never leaves the house, I don't see why an unencrypted backup would be less secure than an encrypted one considering personal computers are at very low risk for threats anyways.

You just have to think about it for yourself and consider, is the restore time too long if I backup to the cloud? If it is, do a little risk assessment, what are the odds I'll get hacked? What is the worst that could happen if I did? (based off of what you have in your phone) Once you have it figured out you can decide for yourself whether or not you need to encrypt the backup.

Just know that you could have the hardest password in the world, an encrypted iTunes backup and a phone without a passcode, 0000 or 1111, or other variations and your security precautions for your backup would be completely meaningless because someone would just need to take your phone.

In the security of mobile devices, the best way to look at it is don't put anything on it you wouldn't want anyone else to have, guarantee you'll lose your phone before you lose your MacBook Pro.

Thanks for replying with your very helpful post.
I will restore from iCloud on home wi-fi for future new iPhones as I to use all iCloud services.
Thanks again
 
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