Full Screen Fixed in Mountain Lion?

[Tinmania]

You already have that option. I don't see why people don't understand this but let me explain one more time.

You don't need to explain. I have to ask you though, did you even think that through?

Maximizing an app is not at all the same as fullscreen mode. Right from the start I would have to get it maximised, which could vary from app to app. If I use the green window control button in iTunes it turns it into a mini player. If I do it in a browser, like Chrome or Safari, it only increases vertical height, not horizontal. So then I have to manually re-size it horizontally. With fullscreen mode it is just command-option-f. Done. (And the second monitor is "done" too, unfortunately.)

Then when I get an app maximized I am still giving up screen real estate to the menu bar and, if it is not set to auto hide, the dock. If I am on my 11" mb air screen real estate is at a premium.

In its current form, fullscreen mode is indeed "broken" and why, as the title of this thread suggests, is in need of a "fix."


P.S. - No offense but if you use "distraction-free app focused work environment" again I am going to puke.




Michael

 

[JohnDoe98]

Of course there is. Just drag the menu bar to the display that you want to use as the primary one.

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Cool ty

 

[talmy]

It's a great feature but engineered for 1 display systems (iMac's, MacBook Pro's).

I'd take it a bit further -- It's a great feature but engineered for small 1 display systems (MacBook Airs and 13" MacBook Pro's) which have very limited screen area.

Lion's Full screen mode, which is fully implemented in Aperture (it will use additional monitors) is however broken in that it now has added animations going into and out of full screen (OS X Lion wants to animate changing Desktops) so the switch is much slower than before. Parallels added Lion Full Screen mode and then backtracked and made it optional because of customer complaints who wanted to run full screen virtual machines on additional monitors.

And while they are not at it, I guess they won't fix multiple monitor operation of Mission Control -- you can't drag an app window between monitors nor can you change one monitor's desktop while not changing the other.

 

[3282868]

I'd take it a bit further -- It's a great feature but engineered for small 1 display systems (MacBook Airs and 13" MacBook Pro's) which have very limited screen area.

Lion's Full screen mode, which is fully implemented in Aperture (it will use additional monitors) is however broken in that it now has added animations going into and out of full screen (OS X Lion wants to animate changing Desktops) so the switch is much slower than before. Parallels added Lion Full Screen mode and then backtracked and made it optional because of customer complaints who wanted to run full screen virtual machines on additional monitors.

And while they are not at it, I guess they won't fix multiple monitor operation of Mission Control -- you can't drag an app window between monitors nor can you change one monitor's desktop while not changing the other.

AMEN. Excellent points sir! Mission Control is a major contention with dual displays. It simply displays the same setup on both displays, and is an eye sore compared to Spaces in 10.5/6 which was simple and straight forward. Plus if you dragged a window into the wrong space in 10.5/6 you did not have to leave the app or move to the desktop to retrieve it as in MC, just simply drag and drop it again into the right space.

Mission Control is consumer eye candy; it has some pro's but add's more steps into workflows that aren't necessary.

 

[WSR]

... Lion's full screen mode isn't taking anything away. ...

Actually, Lion's Full-Screen mode took away grid-based Spaces as it is in SL which a number of us preferred.

 

[TheGdog]

Actually, Lion's Full-Screen mode took away grid-based Spaces as it is in SL which a number of us preferred.

I found spaces to be flawed also. Many apps that you would put in a fullscreen mode or a fullscreen video, would often reset when I switched a different space and then back.

I think Mission Control should show up on each display as a seperate instance and you can drag apps back and forth.

 

[bjm2660]

I have an external monitor I never use because I don't like having to completely reconfigure my windows/spaces/full-screens. The Lion Mission Control implementation on my MBP13 works very well. The problem is, that's the only setup that works.

 

[Costee]

Snow Leopard

Good old times are still advertised on Apple's YouTube channel:

 

[PurrBall]

Parallels added Lion Full Screen mode and then backtracked and made it optional because of customer complaints who wanted to run full screen virtual machines on additional monitors.

Interesting, because this works just fine in VMware with Lion's full screen mode on.

 

[Phil A.]

Interesting, because this works just fine in VMware with Lion's full screen mode on.

VMWare use a slightly different (and much better IMO) tack for their full screen support: If you have a single monitor, going full screen uses OS X's built in full screen functionality. If you have more than one monitor, it uses the old VMWare full screen method that has always been there. Both ways work from the same "full screen" button and it's seamless to the user.

 

[Tinmania]

VMWare use a slightly different (and much better IMO) tack for their full screen support: If you have a single monitor, going full screen uses OS X's built in full screen functionality. If you have more than one monitor, it uses the old VMWare full screen method that has always been there. Both ways work from the same "full screen" button and it's seamless to the user.

I have to say that is an elegant solution for the (IMO broken) Lion fullscreen implementation.




Michael

 

[PurrBall]

VMWare use a slightly different (and much better IMO) tack for their full screen support: If you have a single monitor, going full screen uses OS X's built in full screen functionality. If you have more than one monitor, it uses the old VMWare full screen method that has always been there. Both ways work from the same "full screen" button and it's seamless to the user.

Are you sure? I know this used to be the case, but I'm pretty sure they updated it again to allow multi-screen support using OS X's built in functionality (even showing up properly as a separate space in Mission Control). I haven't used an external display for a while though, so things may have changed again.

 

[Phil A.]

Are you sure? I know this used to be the case, but I'm pretty sure they updated it again to allow multi-screen support using OS X's built in functionality (even showing up properly as a separate space in Mission Control). I haven't used an external display for a while though, so things may have changed again.

Yeah - I've just double checked. If you have multiple monitors, it doesn't show up as a separate space but is just a full screen window. (this is using the Fusion Tech Preview on ML, and it's the same with the latest version of Fusion on Lion)

 

[shurcooL]

This is probably going to be news to a whole lot of people but multi-monitor support in Lion and Mountain Lion while in full screen mode actually does work. Yes you can already use a second monitor in full screen mode in Lion.

Let me explain...

The intended purpose of full screen mode is to give you distraction-free and focused workspace for whatever application you are currently working on while allowing you to easily swipe to other apps for multitasking. But yes, full screen mode does allow you to use a second screen while full screen mode is active. It just works differently.

While it's true that other apps can't show on the second screen, the developer of the app can make the panels for the current app/document show on the second screen. For an example of this, take a look at Apple's Keynote and Numbers apps. If you open their inspection panels and move them to your second display and then go into Lion's Full Screen Mode, the inspection panels all show up on the second monitor on top of the gray linen background.

In this way, full screen mode still serves it's purpose of being distraction free and focusing on the particular app but at the same time it utilizes your second display for secondary windows and panels produced by the current app you're working on.

The problem currently is that most app developers have yet to fully make their apps work as intended by Apple in Full Screen Mode.

You already have the ability to fill up one screen with one app while filling up your other screen with another app without using full screen mode. So full screen mode gives you yet another entirely different option. If it instead worked the way some people want it to work, that would be rather redundant because it is already possible to do that without going into Full Screen Mode and you would therefore lose the option Full Screen Mode now gives you (provided that the developer supports it in their app of course).

Interesting, thanks a lot for that explanation. It makes a lot of sense.

I've never considered that because I haven't seen a single (Apple-made or otherwise) app use the second monitor somehow.

 

[blackomega31]

Distraction free, focused working environment. What a load of crap.
I run a 22" iMac with another 22" beside It. And If I had my way I would have a third monitor. This fullscreen problem offers nothing useful to the table. I was listening to my iTunes recently added list and happily typing away when the next song happened to be an iMovie I had just shared to iTunes. So instead of just playing the movie osx decided to push Microsoft word away blank my second monitor and play the movie

How exactly is that supposed to be helpful to the end user??? I was so angry I almost broke my keyboard

You should see how many windows I have open. I have attention deficit disorder and in can still multitask and stay focused. Thats why I have an iMac and not an iPad

Come on apple if you can fix mission control and give us the choice on window grouping. I'm asking you, please give me the choice weather or not fullscreen blanks my second screen
All you have done with lion is made the Mac harder to use and or added steps that are unnecessary

 

[WSR]

A distraction-free environment argument only really makes since on a each monitor by itself.

I would think that most people to have multiple monitors, including myself, would want Full-Screen mode to take the app to Full-Screen in a single monitor and leave all other monitors useful to continue to do other stuff. As I type in this reply, I'm also watching a video on my 2nd monitor in Full-Screen mode, but then I'm stlll using SL.

Any blanking of other monitors should really be an option in the app not the operating system. In fact, video players should have the ability to detect the "Put Display to Sleep" event in Expose and then put all other monitors to sleep, but leave the monitor with the video on. This way if I wanted to focus on a movie playing on my Mac, I could have the movie play in Full-Screen mode on my 2nd monitor. I would then move my pointer to the bottom left corner of my primary monitor and it would go to sleep so that I could watch the video. Then if say I wanted to look something up on the internet, i.e. where might I have seen that actor before, I would just have to move the mouse, bring up a browser on my primary monitor, look the actor up, and finally put the primary monitor back to sleep all without disturbing the movie.

 

[talmy]

I feel the "problem" with Lion's full screen mode is it is integrated with Spaces -- unlike older full screen implementations, this one creates a new space for the application, which is why it takes over all monitors. It's actually a nice feature if you don't have multiple monitors!

 

[TheGdog]

I feel the "problem" with Lion's full screen mode is it is integrated with Spaces -- unlike older full screen implementations, this one creates a new space for the application, which is why it takes over all monitors. It's actually a nice feature if you don't have multiple monitors!

But the problem is many people use multiple monitors. When I am using Lion on my MB by itself its great, but hook up another monitor and full screen is kinda useless. That being said nobody is making anyone use full screen. Just hide the dock and maximize the window. Is it the best solution? No, but right now its the only one. So far I am living with it ok.

 

[Tinmania]

But the problem is many people use multiple monitors. When I am using Lion on my MB by itself its great, but hook up another monitor and full screen is kinda useless. That being said nobody is making anyone use full screen. Just hide the dock and maximize the window. Is it the best solution? No, but right now its the only one. So far I am living with it ok.

I am not particularly happy with fullscreen implementation even with a single monitor. I think it is how it is married to Spaces.

In particular, I often want to use fullscreen mode when reading a website in a browser. I always have at least two browser windows open at all times--with multiple tabs. As such it is second nature to me to use command-apostrophe to cycle through browser windows.

But if I switch to fullscreen in one browser window I can no longer use command-apostrophe to get to the other open windows. I have to stop and remember, "oh that is in a different Space" and either gesture to switch spaces or do so in MC.

I don't know why I can't cycle through open app windows regardless of their space. Anyone know if there is a preference for that that I might have missed?




Michael

 

[newagemac]

A distraction-free environment argument only really makes since on a each monitor by itself.

I would think that most people to have multiple monitors, including myself, would want Full-Screen mode to take the app to Full-Screen in a single monitor and leave all other monitors useful to continue to do other stuff. As I type in this reply, I'm also watching a video on my 2nd monitor in Full-Screen mode, but then I'm stlll using SL.

Any blanking of other monitors should really be an option in the app not the operating system. In fact, video players should have the ability to detect the "Put Display to Sleep" event in Expose and then put all other monitors to sleep, but leave the monitor with the video on. This way if I wanted to focus on a movie playing on my Mac, I could have the movie play in Full-Screen mode on my 2nd monitor. I would then move my pointer to the bottom left corner of my primary monitor and it would go to sleep so that I could watch the video. Then if say I wanted to look something up on the internet, i.e. where might I have seen that actor before, I would just have to move the mouse, bring up a browser on my primary monitor, look the actor up, and finally put the primary monitor back to sleep all without disturbing the movie.

Did you not read what I wrote? Full screen mode doesn't just blank the second monitor. If the app supports it, the second monitor is used to display secondary panels and windows for the currently active app. Like I said earlier, most app developers just haven't enabled their apps to take advantage of Full Screen Mode in Lion they way Apple has intended.

Again, open up Numbers or Keynote and move their inspection panels to your second monitor. When you go full Screen Mode, you see those inspection panels on the second monitor instead of just the linen background. This is how the second monitor was intended to work in Full Screen Mode.

 

[WSR]

Did you not read what I wrote? Full screen mode doesn't just blank the second monitor. If the app supports it, the second monitor is used to display secondary panels and windows for the currently active app. Like I said earlier, most app developers just haven't enabled their apps to take advantage of Full Screen Mode in Lion they way Apple has intended.

Again, open up Numbers or Keynote and move their inspection panels to your second monitor. When you go full Screen Mode, you see those inspection panels on the second monitor instead of just the linen background. This is how the second monitor was intended to work in Full Screen Mode.

I'm am aware of this behavior, but note that you are still limited to only windows of that app. Thus, you can't do "other stuff" like have a video in Full-Screen mode and surf the web on the 2nd monitor which is something I do all the time in SL.

 

[Tinmania]

Did you not read what I wrote? Full screen mode doesn't just blank the second monitor. If the app supports it, the second monitor is used to display secondary panels and windows for the currently active app. Like I said earlier, most app developers just haven't enabled their apps to take advantage of Full Screen Mode in Lion they way Apple has intended.

Again, open up Numbers or Keynote and move their inspection panels to your second monitor. When you go full Screen Mode, you see those inspection panels on the second monitor instead of just the linen background. This is how the second monitor was intended to work in Full Screen Mode.

I find it ironic, after reading what came next, that you started this post with, "Did you not read what I wrote?"

It seems you did not read the post you replied to, seeing how you simply repeated the same secondary panels stuff that is already known--and not what some or perhaps many want (at least not without the ability to run a completely separate app on the second display).

Why is that so hard to accept?




Michael

 

[newagemac]

I find it ironic, after reading what came next, that you started this post with, "Did you not read what I wrote?"

It seems you did not read the post you replied to, seeing how you simply repeated the same secondary panels stuff that is already known--and not what some or perhaps many want (at least not without the ability to run a completely separate app on the second display).

Why is that so hard to accept?




Michael

You can already run a completely separate app on the second display if you are not concerned about distractions like video playing on another screen, menu bars showing, and ect. Full Screen Mode is there to help with the other problem that exists which is getting rid of distractions and clutter and allowing you to focus on a particular application while still allowing you to multitask by swiping between desktops.

Not to do something you can already do without Full Screen Mode.

 

[Tinmania]

You can already run a completely separate app on the second display if you are not concerned about distractions like video playing on another screen, menu bars showing, and ect. Full Screen Mode is there to help with the other problem that exists which is getting rid of distractions and clutter and allowing you to focus on a particular application while still allowing you to multitask by swiping between desktops.

Not to do something you can already do without Full Screen Mode.

<groan>

With all due respect in my humble opinion your posts are rather pointless, do not address what you are responding to, and in general seem to be nothing more than the repetition of the same, detached, "distraction free" nonsense.

I feel better now. Thank you.



Michael

 

[WSR]

You can already run a completely separate app on the second display if you are not concerned about distractions like video playing on another screen, menu bars showing, and ect. Full Screen Mode is there to help with the other problem that exists which is getting rid of distractions and clutter and allowing you to focus on a particular application while still allowing you to multitask by swiping between desktops.

Not to do something you can already do without Full Screen Mode.

My original point was that I DON'T want the distractions "menu bars showing, and ect" on the Full-Screen monitor, but I still want the other monitor to be free to work with a different app if I wanted to. Lion doesn't allow that, but Snow Leopard did.