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I eat and drink whatever I want in wal-mart, and dispose of it in the conveniently-placed trashcans around the store. Sometimes if I'm bored at 3am, I'll go read magazines or books and have some snacks and an Odwalla. If I'm with friends, we'll fill up our pockets and messenger bags with anything we find too expensive, want to try, or randomly grab (note: do not try this yourself, if you do not know what items have theft detection tags or are being watched). Weekly, I get my regular groceries and go to the counter and price match a majority of the items as much as $3.00 less than their Wal-Mart price. I do bring my own reusable grocery sacks, and whenever someone gives me awesome service, I write in a compliment letter. I hesitate to write complaint letters, but I've still had to write in probably a dozen complaints and only a half-dozen compliments. Then I go pick up the stuff that I can't find there or wouldn't trust from Wal-Mart from Whole Foods and a local neighborhood grocer where I pay full price and I've never thought of stealing a thing. Anyway, this is part laughing at myself and my friends, part advice (pricematch the hell out of wal-mart), and part confession (though I'm not really ashamed, I worked there a semester to know firsthand the experience, and I know what they've done to our country and world).
 
though I'm not really ashamed, I worked there a semester to know firsthand the experience, and I know what they've done to our country and world).

Wow, you worked there a semester and know Wal-Mart's full effect on the U.S. and World economy. You must really have a good grasp on the situation.

jon
 
Then I go pick up the stuff that I can't find there or wouldn't trust from Wal-Mart from Whole Foods and a local neighborhood grocer where I pay full price and I've never thought of stealing a thing.
Wow how big of you to steal from Walmart but not from Whole Foods :rolleyes:
 
Wow, you worked there a semester and know Wal-Mart's full effect on the U.S. and World economy. You must really have a good grasp on the situation.

jon

I love how you paint it in your reply. I never declared knowing everything. I also never stated that how I worked there was related to what I've come to know of the corporation's domestic economing weakening effect, lack of corporate ethics causing untold damage to citizens, small businesses, fair competition, civilized global development, or even how they drive down retail wages and work standards worldwide, you know... to save you a dime or two on your tube socks, bananas, and coffee makers. All that working there did was give me an opportunity to find out if it was really as bad as they say, and the only reward that I received was some perspective on the poor souls that work there and the trap in which they get stuck. I'm much sympathetic to cashiers and even peon managers, now... though I've always been empathetic and friendly of course. Anyway, the point is, I do know something, thank you, and what I know was certainly not bucked by my firsthand work experience there.

And also, I do believe in ethical shoplifting. I support Whole Foods' business model, corporate ethics, community effects, worker wages, etc. You know, how they haven't poured hundreds of millions into resisting unionization and villainizing unions as the largest company in our world and an unbelievable percent of our US economy, etc etc. I'm not saying Whole Foods couldn't be better on all sorts of points, but they aren't the devil, just a corporation trying to turn a profit and provide a service. Wal-Mart, on the other hand...
 
And also, I do believe in ethical shoplifting. I support Whole Foods' business model, corporate ethics, community effects, worker wages, etc.

Why can't you show your support in a legal and civilised way? Just don't shop at Walmart and spend some extra money in Whole Foods. Resorting to petty crime undermines your argument. Your idea of sticking it to the man won't be winning many supporters.
 
Well, your holier-than-thou contrived "morality" when it comes to the Wal-Mart corporation hasn't affected me. I'm not trying to gain any supporters. I was just adding to the thread.

I also don't think it's so simple as shoplifting being 100% unethical, to another previous poster. Ethics and morality deal with how people are affected by one's actions, to what extent, their awareness, and occasionally the appropriateness of that effect. Ironic, to talk about how petty shoplifting would lower the bottom line of greedy billionaires behind the world's largest and most unethical company...
 
I also don't think it's so simple as shoplifting being 100% unethical, to another previous poster. Ethics and morality deal with how people are affected by one's actions, to what extent, their awareness, and occasionally the appropriateness of that effect. Ironic, to talk about how petty shoplifting would lower the bottom line of greedy billionaires behind the world's largest and most unethical company...
That's completely irrelevant. Stealing an iPod from Walmart is absolutely no different than stealing an iPod from your neighbor, and to an extent both are no different than any other levels of stealing be it music piracy or grand theft. If you believe that shoplifting from Walmart only affects the billionaire's profits, then you have grossly underestimated the consequences your actions have on everyone in society.
 
I also don't think it's so simple as shoplifting being 100% unethical, to another previous poster.

Wongulous: "Stealing stuff is OK".

Tell you what, I'll come round to your house and steal your Mac. You're insured, so you'll get another one, right? The only people it'll cost is the big capitalist insurance company (and maybe you a deductible, but if you can buy a computer you can clearly afford that). No problem then.

I bet stealing wouldn't be so OK then, would it?
 
Well, your holier-than-thou contrived "morality" when it comes to the Wal-Mart corporation hasn't affected me. I'm not trying to gain any supporters. I was just adding to the thread.

I also don't think it's so simple as shoplifting being 100% unethical, to another previous poster. Ethics and morality deal with how people are affected by one's actions, to what extent, their awareness, and occasionally the appropriateness of that effect. Ironic, to talk about how petty shoplifting would lower the bottom line of greedy billionaires behind the world's largest and most unethical company...

You just keep digging yourself a hole deeper and deeper with your made up rules of life.

You do you know that Whole Foods is anti unions too.

Quote from John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods

"The union is like having herpes. It doesn't kill you, but it's unpleasant and inconvenient and it stops a lot of people from becoming your lover. But there's still a lot of people in Berkeley who feel like it's OK to lie down with us. We're doing fine."

You also know Whole Foods pays wages between $5.50 and $6.75 (obviously varying with state laws). I would be hard pressed to find many grocers that pay leaps and bounds more than Wal-Mart. You're working at a damn grocery store as a cashier, you're not suppose to make a lot of money.

And talked about ethics, you do know that John Mackey also posted on financial boards to discredit the value of Wild Oats, about a year before they offered to buy the company.

Please feel free to bring more sh*t to the table on your holier than thou lifestyle.

jon
 
You also know Whole Foods pays wages between $5.50 and $6.75 (obviously varying with state laws).
jon

Do you have a link for this? I always thought Whole Foods payed their employees well since they charge so much $$. I know it varies from state to state, but thats seems pretty low no matter where you are.
 
Do you have a link for this? I always thought Whole Foods payed their employees well since they charge so much $$. I know it varies from state to state, but thats seems pretty low no matter where you are.

Actually I've just been reading various site and getting conflicting reports. A few sites say no one gets paid under $10. Other site's I've read around the figure I posted earlier. So I could be wrong on the wages.

I'll keep looking and I might be retracting my statement in a minute. Other things I posted stand though.

jon

edit: Whole Foods doesn't personally disclose their average salaries. Like I said earlier, different web sites are providing different responses.
 
Wongulous: "Stealing stuff is OK".

Tell you what, I'll come round to your house and steal your Mac. You're insured, so you'll get another one, right? The only people it'll cost is the big capitalist insurance company (and maybe you a deductible, but if you can buy a computer you can clearly afford that). No problem then.

I bet stealing wouldn't be so OK then, would it?

He's talking about low priced and cheap items...not expensive electronic items. And he's not stealing from another human being or depriving anyone from any object that they own. Nobody is loosing here except a horrible and vile company. He's almost acting like a modern Robin Hood.

Not that I would personally ever shoplift or even condone it...
 
He's talking about low priced and cheap items...not expensive electronic items. And he's not stealing from another human being or depriving anyone from any object that they own. Nobody is loosing here except a horrible and vile company. He's almost acting like a modern Robin Hood.

Not that I would personally ever shoplift or even condone it...

Robin Hood? Give me a break. Robin Hood stole money from the rich and gave it to the poor. He is just stealing stuff, using it himself and somehow in his mind is establishing it as accomplishing something.

At the end of the day he is just stealing, plain and simple.

jon
 
I dislike the way they undercut local stores.

I know that you vote with your pocket book, but it's not like they are forcing their goods on anyone. Not in your case, but in many cases, the people complaining about Wal Mart forcing the shut-down of mom and pop stores are the same consumers who secretly just want that lower price.


I dislike the number of poor quality foreign goods they sell.

Are you expecting a Ferrari at Kia-price?
 
He's talking about low priced and cheap items...not expensive electronic items. And he's not stealing from another human being or depriving anyone from any object that they own. Nobody is loosing here except a horrible and vile company. He's almost acting like a modern Robin Hood.

Not that I would personally ever shoplift or even condone it...
You, just like wongulous have enormously underestimated the impact shoplifting has on society as a whole.

You may think others shoplifting only impacts "a horrible and vile company" but in reality some of your hard-earned money, along with the hard-earned money of every citizen, is being wasted due to their actions.
 
Capture the flag in Walmart is really fun.
me and my buds have gotten kicked out like 10 times for various things, but never for stealing, i don't understand how people think this is ok????:rolleyes:
 
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