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very interesting stuff thus far. i wonder does the Mechanical HDD idle or is it in constant rotation with the data tiering?

Definitely alot more convenient than having two separate volumes to manage.

Another thing im curious is, if one of the drives fails..whats the data risk? would you essentially have to restore all the data or is it assumed all data are stored on the HDD and not on the Flash storage?
 
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So for those of us who already have internal SSD and HDD, it all comes down to whether the 'special' version of Disk Utility used to partition the drives together is made available outside of the newest iMac and Mac mini.
 
so we don't know if this will only work with new mac minis and imacs or if it will work with our older ones (ie 2011 mac mini) if I put in my own SSD
 
From what I understand Fusion Drive requires the PCB flash disk plus a Hard drive. Fine on the iMac, I can see that plain and simple. Mac Mini's have the option of a 2nd hd (could be an SSD if you like), I understand that.

But looking at the Mac Mini 2012 tear-downs, I can't see the slot required to insert a potential PCB flash disk in? Unless it's a special SSD enclosure that goes in the 2nd hd slot on the mac mini?

Or am I being dumb and stupid?
 
so we don't know if this will only work with new mac minis and imacs or if it will work with our older ones (ie 2011 mac mini) if I put in my own SSD

I think Apple's pretty clear. It will only work with new machines using Apple-supplied Fusion combo-drives. It is NOT a software solution that will work you older machines, or user supplied drives. Apple's Support FAQ says it cannot be bridged to external drives either.

In other words, you buy 'Fusion' from Apple, and it's treated as a single drive. If one part of the Fusion drive dies 'Fusion' dies and you get it fixed/replaced.

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So for those of us who already have internal SSD and HDD, it all comes down to whether the 'special' version of Disk Utility used to partition the drives together is made available outside of the newest iMac and Mac mini.

It may be theoretically possible to apply the software to other combos but Apple is saying that they only want to apply it to new products they're selling, not anything older, that 'Fusion' is a mainstream hardware solution only in new machines, using specific Apple-Fusion hardware.
 
Here is some info for your guys that should make everything a lot more clear.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6406/understanding-apples-fusion-drive

The new iMac and Mac mini can be outfitted with a Fusion Drive option that couples 128GB of NAND flash with either a 1TB or 3TB hard drive. The Fusion part comes in courtesy of Apple's software that takes the two independent drives and presents them to the user as a single volume. Originally I thought this might be SSD caching but after poking around the new iMacs and talking to Apple I have a better understanding of what's going on.

For starters, the 128GB of NAND is simply an SSD on a custom form factor PCB with the same connector that's used in the new MacBook Air and rMBP models. I would expect this SSD to use the same Toshiba or Samsung controllers we've seen in other Macs. The iMac I played with had a Samsung based SSD inside.

Total volume size is the sum of both parts. In the case of the 128GB + 1TB option, the total available storage is ~1.1TB. The same is true for the 128GB + 3TB option (~3.1TB total storage).

By default the OS and all preloaded applications are physically stored on the 128GB of NAND flash. But what happens when you go to write to the array?

With Fusion Drive enabled, Apple creates a 4GB write buffer on the NAND itself. Any writes that come in to the array hit this 4GB buffer first, which acts as sort of a write cache. Any additional writes cause the buffer to spill over to the hard disk. The idea here is that hopefully 4GB will be enough to accommodate any small file random writes which could otherwise significantly bog down performance. Having those writes buffer in NAND helps deliver SSD-like performance for light use workloads.

That 4GB write buffer is the only cache-like component to Apple's Fusion Drive. Everything else works as an OS directed pinning algorithm instead of an SSD cache. In other words, Mountain Lion will physically move frequently used files, data and entire applications to the 128GB of NAND Flash storage and move less frequently used items to the hard disk. The moves aren't committed until the copy is complete (meaning if you pull the plug on your machine while Fusion Drive is moving files around you shouldn't lose any data). After the copy is complete, the original is deleted and free space recovered.



After a few accesses Fusion Drive should be able to figure out if it needs to pull something new into NAND. The 128GB size is near ideal for most light client workloads, although I do suspect heavier users might be better served by something closer to 200GB.

There is no user interface for Fusion Drive management within OS X. Once the volume is created it cannot be broken through a standard OS X tool (although clever users should be able to find a way around that). I'm not sure what a Fusion Drive will look like under Boot Camp, it's entirely possible that Apple will put a Boot Camp partition on the HDD alone. OS X doesn't hide the fact that there are two physical drives in your system from you. A System Report generated on a Fusion Drive enabled Mac will show both drives connected via SATA.

The concept is interesting, at least for mainstream users. Power users will still get better performance (and reliability benefits) of going purely with solid state storage. Users who don't want to deal with managing data and applications across two different volumes are still the target for Fusion Drive (in other words, the ultra mainstream customer).

With a 128GB NAND component Fusion Drive could work reasonable well. We'll have to wait and see what happens when we get our hands on an iMac next month.
 
From what I understand Fusion Drive requires the PCB flash disk plus a Hard drive. Fine on the iMac, I can see that plain and simple. Mac Mini's have the option of a 2nd hd (could be an SSD if you like), I understand that.

But looking at the Mac Mini 2012 tear-downs, I can't see the slot required to insert a potential PCB flash disk in? Unless it's a special SSD enclosure that goes in the 2nd hd slot on the mac mini?

Or am I being dumb and stupid?

On the Mac Mini, I reckon it's going to be a regular sized 2.5" SATA SSD, rather than the 'blade style' flash.
 
iFixit have posted a tear down for the 13" rMBP already, the Mac mini could be following soon.

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I can't add an external drive to the mini at all?

You can, but it won't be linked to the Fusion Drive so won't transfer any files to flash, it will be a separate drive from the internal flash and hard drive.
 
iFixit have posted a tear down for the 13" rMBP already, the Mac mini could be following soon.

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You can, but it won't be linked to the Fusion Drive so won't transfer any files to flash, it will be a separate drive from the internal flash and hard drive.

ok thanks
 
t may be theoretically possible to apply the software to other combos but Apple is saying that they only want to apply it to new products they're selling, not anything older, that 'Fusion' is a mainstream hardware solution only in new machines, using specific Apple-Fusion hardware.
This is also the case with TRIM but thankfully a 3rd party developed a tool to enable it on aftermarket drives.
 
This is also the case with TRIM but thankfully a 3rd party developed a tool to enable it on aftermarket drives.

if you buy 1 mac mini with fusion setup and clone it to a
second mac mini with 2 drives lets say a 256gb ssd and a 750 scorpio black I think it would work. only time will tell.
 
if you buy 1 mac mini with fusion setup and clone it to a
second mac mini with 2 drives lets say a 256gb ssd and a 750 scorpio black I think it would work. only time will tell.

No word yet from cloning appmakers like Bombich or Shirt-Pocket, but if Apple's OS is preemptively making the SSD+drive look like one drive then a clone would simply copy everything over to a single clone. In fact the idea of needing both an external SSD plus an external drive just to clone a Mac seems needlessly complicated, so I assume you can do it just with a single volume ... and then the MacOS would automatically re-sort all apps/file when you restore.
 
We don't yet know whether the new Mini uses a 2.5" SATA SSD for it's Flash, or if it's "blade style" like the MBA/rMBP.

this seems to indicate that 2 2.5" drives can be used, just like before.

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Interesting.

The one thing this tech note should answer but doesn't is: Can the Fusion Drive be removed such that one ends up with a SSD and a HDD. I imagine it can. If not with Disk Utility, then with 3rd party disk partitioning tools?!

i would imagine doing a reinstall/TM restore could do that. maybe?

it would seem silly to force an option they charge more for upon people (in the case of having installed an SSD and HDD yourself).
 
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