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blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
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It's a Qualcomm indeed (actually that's the one I meant)

"The latest rumour from HTCSource suggests that the HTC M7 specs include a quad-core Qualcomm processor (predictably), a 4.7-inch 1920 x 1080 (full HD) display and 32GB of internal storage, with no microSD card slot.

This matches the previous run of rumoured specs, which also detailed 2GB of RAM, a 13-megapixel rear camera and 2-megapixel front-facing camera."



Which is the same as the Xperia Z
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z-5204.php

"Qualcomm MDM9215M / APQ8064"

and likely the same processor as going in the S4 :)


So yeah basically all these new ones are going to be much the same hardware wise under the hood which is actually a really good thing, because we will see some decent optimisation for Apps to take advantage of the 2013 flagship hardware :)

The s4 will be using an exynos 5 soc. The exynos and LTE are finally comparable as of the note ii.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
The s4 will be using an exynos 5 soc. The exynos and LTE are finally comparable as of the note ii.

Yeah Rumors suggest an 8 core machine at 1.8ghz that features 4 cores A15 and when it doesn't need the power 4 cores A7 architrcture. (So we don't actually get 8 cores combined power)

Why it needs this and how much better such architecture is when compared to a chip that just CPU scales dynamically for speed and then steps down when it doesn't need it is questionable.

The AnTuTu benchmark results those rumors are based on peg it at around the same 20k mark as the latest quad-core Qualcomm,


Though of course by saying its an Octocore it does do the old one-up manship sounding much more powerful than 4 cores despite reality essentially being much the same.

It will be interesting to see battery life tests on the s4 to see if the big-little architecture is actually worth the extra 4 cores over any other step-down technology.
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
2,600
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Yeah Rumors suggest an 8 core machine at 1.8ghz that features 4 cores A15 and when it doesn't need the power 4 cores A7 architrcture. (So we don't actually get 8 cores combined power)

Why it needs this and how much better such architecture is when compared to a chip that just CPU scales dynamically for speed and then steps down when it doesn't need it is questionable.

The AnTuTu benchmark results those rumors are based on peg it at around the same 20k mark as the latest quad-core Qualcomm,


Though of course by saying its an Octocore it does do the old one-up manship sounding much more powerful than 4 cores despite reality essentially being much the same.

It will be interesting to see battery life tests on the s4 to see if the big-little architecture is actually worth the extra 4 cores over any other step-down technology.

I trust samsungs socs. I have no doubt this thing will deliver.
 

TheMTtakeover

macrumors 6502
Aug 3, 2011
470
7
It's nothing to do with being stable. I didn't say there was anything broken with IOS - what I meant by fixed was that Apple needs to (in my opinion) relax a little and let people set up their Apple phone to suit how they work, not how Apple things we should do it.

To me IOS is just too restrictive - its like a Windows or a Mac laptop but you can't change anything - you can't arrange the desktop to suit your needs, you can't choose this email client or that email client. Imagine if your mac laptop had these restrictions. You'd go crazy.

Smartphones are not phones any more. They are computers but Apple thinks it should still "manage the experience" because they know better. That works ok with users that are not good with technology and that's ok if that's the market Apple are after. However for a good chunk of the market this kind of restriction is not ok and that's why I jumped to Android.

But that's my point, People are claiming iOS needs fixed like it is broken. It's certainly not. It doesn't have features you want that doesn't constitute the use of the word fix. It was designed purposefully to not have those "features".

I used to bitch too about how controlling Apple is so I went out and got an android phone and tablet. Then I realize wow I spent all this time bitching about not having a file system when I really don't need one on my phone or tablet because when I do heavy lifting its easier to do it on my laptop anyway. I mean if android is what you like then that's awesome. Its a really flexible OS and provides a lot of features that can make a tablet more laptop-replacable, but just because Android is what you like doesn't mean that iOS is in need of being fixed.
 

kevinof

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2008
744
161
Dublin/London
Ok now you're picking on the meaning of words. I use the word "fixed" because in my eyes (maybe not yours) IOS is broken for ME. There's so much stuff that Apple could have "fixed" over the years but chose not too. The list is endless but some examples are the lack of (serious) attachments in email. I use my phone for work and forwarding multiple docs is important. To me that needs "fixing". The keyboard - why oh why 6 years after they first launched IOS have Apple not done anything with the keyboard - No user dictionary management, having to get it to re-learn a word again and again. That needs "fixing". Again I've only listed two but my list is probably two pages long.

These may be little things but to me they are big things. They effect the way I work and to go back to IOS would mean that I would have to compromise. Is Android perfect? No way. It's still got lots of issues but at least its changing and improving all the time. If something doesn't work the way you want on Android then you have the option of either waiting for it to be fixed or switching to an alternative app that does work the way you want. Much less of a compromise.

Just feel like IOS has stood still.

But that's my point, People are claiming iOS needs fixed like it is broken. It's certainly not. It doesn't have features you want that doesn't constitute the use of the word fix. It was designed purposefully to not have those "features".

I used to bitch too about how controlling Apple is so I went out and got an android phone and tablet. Then I realize wow I spent all this time bitching about not having a file system when I really don't need one on my phone or tablet because when I do heavy lifting its easier to do it on my laptop anyway. I mean if android is what you like then that's awesome. Its a really flexible OS and provides a lot of features that can make a tablet more laptop-replacable, but just because Android is what you like doesn't mean that iOS is in need of being fixed.
 

ukbondraider

macrumors member
Jul 10, 2010
33
0
As someone who has historically bought Apple products whilst simultaneous getting tired of the same old IOS, there still aren't many real alternatives.

For me the two important criteria I look for are design/construction materials and ppi for razor sharp texts/images.

I don't give a monkeys about whether a phone has a 20 core processor or how good the camera is. Problem for me is that it appears every Android user is, which is why the like of Samsung, HTC and indeed Nokia release products for them. To date we have seen an array of ugly looking, cheap plastic rubbish with quad core processors etc that have been bought in large numbers by the public. Why the hell are you lot settling for fisher price/children level constructed phones. There is currently NO Samsung, HTC nor Nokia product that I would give any consideration because of their looks and materials. Consequently Android has always been a no go area for me except for the Note which I bought for the screen size despite hating its looks and build.

The Xperia Z is a breath of fresh air for me. At last an Android phone I can seriously consider. Would be interested to see what the S4 and Note 3 look like but no doubt they will be ugly rounded phones made of plastic.

In short, apart from the Xperia Z there isnt really any competition for Iphone users. Android users who are happy with plastic yes but not iphone users who want classy products. I dont see the upcoming items from HTC or Motorolla changing this either.
 

TheMTtakeover

macrumors 6502
Aug 3, 2011
470
7
Ok now you're picking on the meaning of words. I use the word "fixed" because in my eyes (maybe not yours) IOS is broken for ME. There's so much stuff that Apple could have "fixed" over the years but chose not too. The list is endless but some examples are the lack of (serious) attachments in email. I use my phone for work and forwarding multiple docs is important. To me that needs "fixing". The keyboard - why oh why 6 years after they first launched IOS have Apple not done anything with the keyboard - No user dictionary management, having to get it to re-learn a word again and again. That needs "fixing". Again I've only listed two but my list is probably two pages long.

These may be little things but to me they are big things. They effect the way I work and to go back to IOS would mean that I would have to compromise. Is Android perfect? No way. It's still got lots of issues but at least its changing and improving all the time. If something doesn't work the way you want on Android then you have the option of either waiting for it to be fixed or switching to an alternative app that does work the way you want. Much less of a compromise.

Just feel like IOS has stood still.

To be fair iOS doesn't need the improvements that android Is getting. The biggest thing I hear people talking about of 4.X on android is that fact is has no lag. That's a feature that took years to get.....yet iOS is broken. Okay.

There is two reasons why iOS will always be better in mind
1. Java
2. Davilk VM

You will never convince me that iOS needs fixed when you are using an OS in which it's apps are interpreted....I'd much rather run native.
 

kevinof

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2008
744
161
Dublin/London
Ok How does the lack of Java or the lack of the Dalvik VM help me get through my day? How does it help me type better on the keyboard or send multiple docs in email? It doesn't. Maybe IOS is smoother, maybe not, but I'm not talking about smoothness of scrolling or how nice it flicks between pages. I'm talking about it doing what I want and how I want it.

You can keep your super smooth OS but I'll take functionality over gloss any day!


To be fair iOS doesn't need the improvements that android Is getting. The biggest thing I hear people talking about of 4.X on android is that fact is has no lag. That's a feature that took years to get.....yet iOS is broken. Okay.

There is two reasons why iOS will always be better in mind
1. Java
2. Davilk VM

You will never convince me that iOS needs fixed when you are using an OS in which it's apps are interpreted....I'd much rather run native.
 

TheMTtakeover

macrumors 6502
Aug 3, 2011
470
7
Ok How does the lack of Java or the lack of the Dalvik VM help me get through my day? How does it help me type better on the keyboard or send multiple docs in email? It doesn't. Maybe IOS is smoother, maybe not, but I'm not talking about smoothness of scrolling or how nice it flicks between pages. I'm talking about it doing what I want and how I want it.

You can keep your super smooth OS but I'll take functionality over gloss any day!

I think your missing the point. I understand that Android has features that you require and iOS doesn't. I'm not saying you shouldn't be using android or enjoying it. But what you SHOULD NOT be saying is that iOS needs fixed, its designed great and built to be rock solid. "needs fixed" describes Android much better than iOS because what you have with Android is an OS that at its core is designed terribly. It's a waste of clock cycles and resources.

I have no issue with anybody saying iOS sucks because it doesn't have certain features or REQUIRES ADDITIONS, but it DOES NOT NEED FIXED.
 

ukbondraider

macrumors member
Jul 10, 2010
33
0
What IOS needs are live icons and icons that can be resized.

Static unifrom icons, whilst easy on the processor, makes IOS feel dated.
 

Tinmania

macrumors 68040
Aug 8, 2011
3,528
1,016
Aridzona
But that's my point, People are claiming iOS needs fixed like it is broken. It's certainly not. It doesn't have features you want that doesn't constitute the use of the word fix. It was designed purposefully to not have those "features".

I used to bitch too about how controlling Apple is so I went out and got an android phone and tablet. Then I realize wow I spent all this time bitching about not having a file system when I really don't need one on my phone or tablet because when I do heavy lifting its easier to do it on my laptop anyway. I mean if android is what you like then that's awesome. Its a really flexible OS and provides a lot of features that can make a tablet more laptop-replacable, but just because Android is what you like doesn't mean that iOS is in need of being fixed.

You completely ignored his, very much on-target, points and went off on a tirade that had nothing to do with what he wrote.

Let me make it simple for you. In 2013, well into the "post PC era" (Apple's words) an operating system is "broken" if it doesn't allow you--the owner of the device after-all--to choose which browser, email app, keyboard, or any other app to be the default. As such, iOS is very much "broken" for me and many others.

Apple needs to "fix" it.



Michael
 

TheMTtakeover

macrumors 6502
Aug 3, 2011
470
7
You completely ignored his, very much on-target, points and went off on a tirade that had nothing to do with what he wrote.

Let me make it simple for you. In 2013, well into the "post PC era" (Apple's words) an operating system is "broken" if it doesn't allow you--the owner of the device after-all--to choose which browser, email app, keyboard, or any other app to be the default. As such, iOS is very much "broken" for me and many others.

Apple needs to "fix" it.



Michael

No Michael, Let me make it simple for you. It is not broken

It was designed to be like that. I can't tell if you people are just slow or confused. I'm honestly starting to feel bad that you think something is broken just because it doesn't work how you wish it would.

I mean I wish pages would type my homework for me...It doesn't. Does that make it broken?
 

kevinof

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2008
744
161
Dublin/London
Again you're arguing over the meaning of a word. Let's rephrase it for you simple language - Until Apple correct the basic deficiencies in their OS I won't consider switching back.

That good enough for you? Also you may not consider these as deficiencies but you what I don't care, because my posts above we about how I consider IOS, not you.

No Michael, Let me make it simple for you. It is not broken

It was designed to be like that. I can't tell if you people are just slow or confused. I'm honestly starting to feel bad that you think something is broken just because it doesn't work how you wish it would.

I mean I wish pages would type my homework for me...It doesn't. Does that make it broken?
 

Zaft

macrumors 601
Jun 16, 2009
4,570
4,049
Brooklyn, NY
As someone who has historically bought Apple products whilst simultaneous getting tired of the same old IOS, there still aren't many real alternatives.

For me the two important criteria I look for are design/construction materials and ppi for razor sharp texts/images.

I don't give a monkeys about whether a phone has a 20 core processor or how good the camera is. Problem for me is that it appears every Android user is, which is why the like of Samsung, HTC and indeed Nokia release products for them. To date we have seen an array of ugly looking, cheap plastic rubbish with quad core processors etc that have been bought in large numbers by the public. Why the hell are you lot settling for fisher price/children level constructed phones. There is currently NO Samsung, HTC nor Nokia product that I would give any consideration because of their looks and materials. Consequently Android has always been a no go area for me except for the Note which I bought for the screen size despite hating its looks and build.

The Xperia Z is a breath of fresh air for me. At last an Android phone I can seriously consider. Would be interested to see what the S4 and Note 3 look like but no doubt they will be ugly rounded phones made of plastic.

In short, apart from the Xperia Z there isnt really any competition for Iphone users. Android users who are happy with plastic yes but not iphone users who want classy products. I dont see the upcoming items from HTC or Motorolla changing this either.

thw htc one x is very well built and not cheap imo.
 

TheMTtakeover

macrumors 6502
Aug 3, 2011
470
7
Again you're arguing over the meaning of a word. Let's rephrase it for you simple language - Until Apple correct the basic deficiencies in their OS I won't consider switching back.

That good enough for you? Also you may not consider these as deficiencies but you what I don't care, because my posts above we about how I consider IOS, not you.

I've been arguing over the meaning of a word the whole time. Deficiencies is a fine word choice. I don't need it in a simple language, I just need you to use the correct word choice next time, Thanks.
 
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