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Dr McKay

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Aug 11, 2010
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Android updates are just as important, because Google is working on the performance of the OS itself more and more. Project Butter isn't through.

They aren't just as important. With Android those system updates will fix bugs in the OS sure, but they won't update apps like the browser, email etc. Those are updated separately by the app store. With iOS those updates also contain updates for the apps as well as system updates? Want to update Safari? They have to package a system update.
 

rillrill

macrumors 6502a
Jul 27, 2011
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New York
yeah...i'm having a hard time remembering any significant updates to ios that android didn't already have... google releases stuff earlier and buggier, then patches them up. apple waits a year and plays catch up. though, to be fair they do think more of the design and style (notification, camera, etc...) but its still catch up....google now works way better than siri ever did when i tried it.
 

Michael Goff

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Jul 5, 2012
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They aren't just as important. With Android those system updates will fix bugs in the OS sure, but they won't update apps like the browser, email etc. Those are updated separately by the app store. With iOS those updates also contain updates for the apps as well as system updates? Want to update Safari? They have to package a system update.

Actually, you're right... they're more important.

Apple still has less lag than Android, even with Project Butter.

Oh, and let's not forget that you need OS updates with Android to update whatever lag-causing skin the OEM has decided to throw on there.
 

Dr McKay

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Aug 11, 2010
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Kirkland
Actually, you're right... they're more important.

Apple still has less lag than Android, even with Project Butter.

Oh, and let's not forget that you need OS updates with Android to update whatever lag-causing skin the OEM has decided to throw on there.

That logic seems very skewed, again iOS updates contain both system updates AND app updates, Android updates only contain system updates. As for iOS being smoother than Jelly Bean? That's up for debate, for me my Nexus 4 feels smoother than my iPhone 5 did, especially scrolling between homescreens. If I ever scrolled to the spotlight my iPhone would lag terribly or even momentarily freeze bringing up the keyboard. This happenee on my 4, 4S and 5.
 

TacticalDesire

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Original poster
Mar 19, 2012
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That logic seems very skewed, again iOS updates contain both system updates AND app updates, Android updates only contain system updates. As for iOS being smoother than Jelly Bean? That's up for debate, for me my Nexus 4 feels smoother than my iPhone 5 did, especially scrolling between homescreens. If I ever scrolled to the spotlight my iPhone would lag terribly or even momentarily freeze bringing up the keyboard. This happenee on my 4, 4S and 5.

I've noticed the spotlight lag© (now the intellectual property of TacticalDesire. All rights reserved®) on every single iOS device I've ever used. The iPad 3, iPhone 5, iPod Touch 5, and iPad Mini all sitting here right now all have it.
 

kokhean

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Dec 30, 2010
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I've noticed the spotlight lag© (now the intellectual property of TacticalDesire. All rights reserved®) on every single iOS device I've ever used. The iPad 3, iPhone 5, iPod Touch 5, and iPad Mini all sitting here right now all have it.

Going into Spotlight search would lag once after the first boot or so. Not sure what Apple did though. This annoying bug was introduced in iOS 5.
 

Stuntman06

macrumors 6502a
Sep 19, 2011
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Metro Vancouver, B.C, Canada
Updates are only really important to me if I have an issue with my existing phone and OS version that I want fixed or if there is a new feature on the new version that I really want. For the most part, I am not so concerned about updates to OS or even to my apps. Most of my apps are running on old versions just because they work for me and I have no need to change them. Occasionally, I may see a feature that catches my eye and I want to have or there may be some compatability issue with some new apps or OS version that is causing problems. In these cases, I will do an update.

When JB became available on my SGS3, I waited about a week or so before updating. I was pretty happy with ICS. Eventually, after some research and the some concerns I had were allayed and my friend convinced me, I got the JB update. I am happy with it although I would still have been happy running ICS a while longer.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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I like the way android does updates vs iOS. For example I just got an update for YouTube today on android which is a native app. I fixed an annoying bug. With iOS I would have had to wait till iOS 7.

On the same note I could see why not get a major OS update would be very frustrating. If an app requires the latest version of android then youre SOL without rooting if your manufacturer doesn't update the OS.

As an iPhone 4S owner I'm a bit nervous what features I'm going to miss out on like iPhone 4 owners did with iOS 6 when I get iOS 7.
 

corvus32

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Sep 4, 2009
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I like the way android does updates vs iOS. For example I just got an update for YouTube today on android which is a native app. I fixed an annoying bug. With iOS I would have had to wait till iOS 7.

YouTube is no longer a native app in iOS 6. Just like any other non-native app users must download it via the App Store, and the developer is responsible for any new updates.

I'm not sure where you're getting that you must wait until the next major release of iOS. Even if it were native, Apple could package its update(s) in an iOS point release.
 

adnbek

macrumors 68000
Oct 22, 2011
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Montreal, Quebec
YouTube is no longer a native app in iOS 6. Just like any other non-native app users must download it via the App Store, and the developer is responsible for any new updates.

I'm not sure where you're getting that you must wait until the next major release of iOS. Even if it were native, Apple could package its update(s) in an iOS point release.

He's referring to native apps in general, not just Youtube. And I agree with him. That's one thing I like about Android. Don't need a system wide update to update a specific native app.

And yes, while Apple can release a small update just to update an app individually, they've almost opted to update native apps in conjunction with major OS updates which only occur once a year. (2.x to 3.x, 3.x to 4.x, and so on.)
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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On the same note I could see why not get a major OS update would be very frustrating. If an app requires the latest version of android then youre SOL without rooting if your manufacturer doesn't update the OS.

If you sideload other app stores (which does not require root), you'll find you can install the exact same apps that the Playstore says you can't and most will work perfectly fine.
 

hyteckit

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Jul 29, 2007
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That logic seems very skewed, again iOS updates contain both system updates AND app updates, Android updates only contain system updates. As for iOS being smoother than Jelly Bean? That's up for debate, for me my Nexus 4 feels smoother than my iPhone 5 did, especially scrolling between homescreens. If I ever scrolled to the spotlight my iPhone would lag terribly or even momentarily freeze bringing up the keyboard. This happenee on my 4, 4S and 5.

I have 0 lag with spotlight on my iPhone 4S.
 

Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
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Kirkland
I have 0 lag with spotlight on my iPhone 4S.

This changes everything, the fact that you don't have that issue now means everyone else who does suddenly doesn't. Thank you stranger. You've made Apple devices across the World smoother.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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a better place
That logic seems very skewed, again iOS updates contain both system updates AND app updates, Android updates only contain system updates.

Sorry but when your phone is exhibiting a bug with it after the last OS update, and you know that a new OS update that is finished will fix it - but its taking month and months to rollout - made worse with carrier delays, then the average user doesn't give a flying hoot about 'core app updates', they want that OS update and FAST and contrary to your position = it is VERY important.

Heck go onto XDA and visit many threads of devices that people have created where they are asking 'where's my update?' And you tell them its not important because their core apps aren't being updated by it and see how quickly your ejected from that said forum discussion......

Android updates are a constant source of frustration for many many users, and it is a wonder why the likes of HTC / Samsung can't offer a simple universal rollout of an update - or at least offer that update on their websites for people to download sooner - rather than the procrastinating delays of OTA updating and carrier delays to boot.

It's the one area where Android still vastly lags behind iOS (other than nexus devices)...

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This changes everything, the fact that you don't have that issue now means everyone else who does suddenly doesn't. Thank you stranger. You've made Apple devices across the World smoother.

And just because you don't find something as important (android updates) doesn't mean others have to share your opinion.

It works both ways you know....... ;)
 
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hyteckit

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Jul 29, 2007
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This changes everything, the fact that you don't have that issue now means everyone else who does suddenly doesn't. Thank you stranger. You've made Apple devices across the World smoother.

And the fact you have lag with spotlight means everyone suddenly does too?

You offer your experience.
I offer my experience.

Why act like such a condescending jerk because others have a different experience than you?

My Note 2 running Jelly Bean has noticeable lag when scrolling through the homescreen and application screens. Looks like a jerky 10fps video. Not nearly as smooth as iOS on my iPhone 4S. But I attributed it to the GO Launcher I'm using.
 
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Dave.UK

macrumors 65816
Sep 24, 2012
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Kent, UK
And the fact you have lag with spotlight means everyone suddenly does too?

You offer your experience.
I offer my experience.

Why act like such a condescending jerk because others have a different experience than you?

My Note 2 running Jelly Bean has noticeable lag when scrolling through the homescreen and application screens. Looks like a jerky 10fps video. Not nearly as smooth as iOS on my iPhone 4S. But I attributed it to the GO Launcher I'm using.

Enough said.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
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6,109
And the fact you have lag with spotlight means everyone suddenly does too?

You offer your experience.
I offer my experience.

Why act like such a condescending jerk because others have a different experience than you?

My Note 2 running Jelly Bean has noticeable lag when scrolling through the homescreen and application screens. Looks like a jerky 10fps video. Not nearly as smooth as iOS on my iPhone 4S. But I attributed it to the GO Launcher I'm using.

Enough said.

what Dave said. If you are going to use a launcher use Nova....zero lag and great customization.
 

corvus32

macrumors 6502a
Sep 4, 2009
761
0
USA
He's referring to native apps in general, not just Youtube. And I agree with him. That's one thing I like about Android. Don't need a system wide update to update a specific native app.

And yes, while Apple can release a small update just to update an app individually, they've almost opted to update native apps in conjunction with major OS updates which only occur once a year. (2.x to 3.x, 3.x to 4.x, and so on.)

Apple rolls out updates to iOS and its native apps as fast (or faster than) most developers release updates for their apps. Since September, they've released 4 minor updates and 1 major. There are popular third party apps that haven't seen an update in months.

Anyways, I don't think most people care if native app updates come from system wide updates or not - an update is an update. It's more important that they are timely and installed rapidly by users.

iOS 6.1.2 is already the most installed version of iOS in NA, and it was only released a week ago. Not only are the majority using the latest version of iOS, but the majority also have the latest version of Maps and Siri, for example, because of it.

That would be very difficult to do for Android, but wouldn't it be great if 40% of Android users were running stock 4.2.2 and had the most up to date version of Google Maps, YouTube, Gmail, etc. Instead, the majority is running a fork of Android that's a generation or two behind, supported only by the device manufacture, and issued only through a carrier. Is it no wonder that native apps are updated separately, otherwise development would have been stuck many years ago.
 
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